Laps in full wet race nearly as fast as fastest qualifying lap in dry weather

Sepang - Qualifying record is 1:31.204 (possibly dry weather using softs for it to be a record)

Race id: 57993, Wet race - Rain. My driver set a lap time of 1:32.036 on lap 27, which is just 0.8s off the qualy time. He was on Full Wets, push level set to Back Off, didn't use KERS/DRS and had fuel for another lap. Everyone was setting similar lap times.

This doesn't seem realistic.

Thats qualifying record though [no drs/kers/more fuel/different tyre temps etc]

The Lap record is a 1:25:252 so your 7s away from that [and even the faster lap in your race was 4s slower]

+ the lap record isnt even that fast as i was only 1s slower [earlier this season] with a ~25% car,

Qualifying is run on low fuel and tyres at optimal temperature, if that is not correct, then this guide is wrong:



I am not comparing a dry race to a wet race. I understand that there is a difference in lap times, which is fair enough. But it seems a bit odd that a lap in a wet race can be faster than a qualy lap in dry weather.

Leave wet race aside, even otherwise i think race laps tend to be faster than qualy laps (even with taking KERS/DRS/tyre temperature into account)

Low fuel - i'm sure someone will correct be if i'm wrong, but its certainly not 1 laps worth [i'm sure sure previous discussions said it was 10l+]
optimal temperatures - i couldnt comment as i dont know what optimal is [although tyre temps will increase throughout the lap]

Qualifying though the track has no rubber on it, as every1 only does 1 lap(which includes driver errors etc), so after x amounts of laps [in race] EVERY1 will be faster than there qualifying time

Assuming that fastest Laps use KERS/DRS/low fuel etc there 5s+ faster than a qualifying lap, and therefore by theory [even on a wet track], running 5,6,7s a lap slower than the lap record will be similar to the qualifying times

That all sounds great in theory David, but it was raining heavily throughout the whole race, the track was soaking wet at all times in the race; there is no way there should have been lap times anywhere near a dry track qualifying record.

^ in theory though, but i thought the general assumption was that qualifying laps were too slow [in general] so the fact that being able to run a wet lap the same time as a dry qualifying is no real difference, from e.g being able to beat a dry qualifying lap by 7s seconds on a dry track [the laps were still 5s slower in the rain than they would be in the dry]

really its only really a bug If your beating a dry qualifying record with a wet qualifying lap, or a dry lap record with full wets

Or the bug is that qualifying times are too slow

I didn't know the general assumption is that qualifying laps are too slow in general, but if that's the conclusion then that's the bug in this case, imo.

Drivers will race 2 Laps in Qualifying (Outlap and Fastlap). They start with 10L of fuel and the ideal temperature for their tyre compound, which is different from tyre compound to tyre compound.
There is no usage of DRS or KERS and therefore laptimes will definetly be slower than race laptimes.

Can someone please explain the qualifying rules a little furthur in depth please?

I'm confused about todays race.

I had my drivers (who usually qualify in the top 6 and within 2-3 tenths off pole at the most) on 5/5 "take big risks" with soft tyres, and yet some how in todays race they managed to qualify over a whole second behind the guy who qualified on pole. In fact my drivers often qualify right up the front. Now his car isn't much better than mine at all, and his driver is by no means any better. In fact I'm very familiar with his drivers stats, as I was looking at picking him up myself half a season ago.

His car is somewhere around 70% and mine is sitting around 62-65% at the moment. Todays race was Singapore. My drivers qualified (from memory) either 7th and 8th, or 8th and 9th, I can't remember off the top of my head.

What is even more confusing is that I knew those times weren't right and I knew there was no way my drivers were that slow, and as I suspected, one of them was miles faster than 3rd -> 7th place in the first lap passing 3 or 4 of them within the first few corners. Even when the guys who out qualified my drivers tyres were up to temp, my drivers were still faster. So why were they so much faster in qualifying? Some of them must have been using as low as 3/5 for qualifying.

It just doesn't add up. Not that big of a time difference. The league was The Royal Rumble, and I'm in the pro division, if anyone wanted to have a look at the times and drivers for themselves.

I don't have access to the logs of the simulator and I'm not sure if it logs driver mistakes but that is a possible theory.
Your driver made mistakes and therefore they qualified over one second behind. But that theory requires both driver to make mistakes and therefore it's hard to believe that this had happened.

Now that is what seems to be the best explanation of what happened in your qualification:
I looked around the results of the races before and there was already one race where your drivers qualified 0.6s slower than the pole time. Yesterday the only strange thing was that the guy on pole had such a good time (his teammate qualified 0.5s slower than him and did that in the previous races too so it can't depend on the driver).
I noticed that he switched his fuel supplier but I'm not sure if that was before or after the race. I can't see which supplier he is using so there might be a difference to yours and that could have effected this result.

Edit: removed.

We both switched fuel suppliers - We're mates irl so we always share information. We use all the same suppliers. I just can't understand how both my drivers qualified behind guys who were clearly running a much lower push level (3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th were using something around 3/5 push)

Oh well, onto the next race :)

By 10L i assume you mean 10 liters and not 10 laps. So when they are on hot laps, they will be down to around 6 - 6.5 liters depending on the track. It's comparable to the example that i gave. My driver was on lap 27 of 28 lap race, started the lap with 10.8 liters, it's actually heavier than qualifying hot lap.

But important point is this:
Driver was on full back off push level, and didn't use KERS/DRS in this lap. He was on wet tyres on a wet track. It's hard to believe this can be faster than a dry qualifying lap. Even with track rubbering as the race progresses, i don't think this is the case in reality.

This doesn't affect the game play as such, because the race lap times seem consistent enough across races and account for dry and wet weather, so the bug is not about wet race lap times in comparison to dry race lap times. The bug is about qualifying laps being slower in general, which result these kind of anamolies.

I will investigate that but I think that this is really unimportant right now.