Manny Tyrrell medal 5000 5 years 238 days ago
If the game is going to continue with refuelling during races I feel it is unrealistic for qualifying NOT to take into account a cars starting fuel level. If you introduce fuel levels into the qualifying it would open up far more stratergy options for players and improve the game. At present a drivers starting fuel level isn't taken into account and therefore in theory a car with 4 laps of fuel at the start can qualify well behind a driver with 30 laps of fuel when the two are on identical tyres. Therefore making low fuel strats almost impossible. It also greatly favours the better teams whom are more likely to start at the front of the grid which is again an unnecessary advantage.
Kevin Bissell medal 5003 5 years 238 days ago
@Manny. Whilst I favour your proposal I think your statement "It also greatly favours the better teams whom are more likely to start at the front of the grid which is again an unnecessary advantage." is wrong. Why is it an unecessary advantage? Of course the best cars start at the front, and so they should. What's the point of trying to develop the best cars if it doesn't give you an advantage?
Shaun Peters medal 5000 5 years 238 days ago
Yes great suggestion to create a new dynamic to the game....
Frank Thomas medal 5000 Moderator 5 years 237 days ago
I fully agree with Kevin here. Also that change would just lead weaker teams into a dead end.
Anyway it would be useless, even if such a weaker team would get Pole that way they'd need a lot less fuel to manage to get away from the pack, which would make them pit way ahead of everyone else. If they'd just light enough to get pole they'd still have to pit a few laps sooner. So both scenarios wouldn't help them a bit, once the others finished their laps, now with way less weight than the pitted cars, they'd be way ahead after their pit stop. For a slower team it's actually better not to start too far in front so it can grab DRS from slightly faster teams to make up their lack in speed through getting that tow for as long as possible.
Manny Tyrrell medal 5000 5 years 237 days ago
Hi Kevin thnx for looking at my post and agreeing in principle its a good idea. The point you raised is probably more to do with my BAD explanation rather than how it came over. What I meant is that at present when using the same tyres in qualifying a better team/driver will ALWAYS qualify higher than lesser teams/driver irrespective of the fuel carried at the start. So there is no point and no advantage in a lesser team/driver putting lower fuel in because they will always start behind the better team/driver. I therefore pointed out that this was another advantage that a better team has.
I don't see Franks point here 'leading weaker teams into a dead end' after all position can be king and whilst it probably wouldn't get lesser teams on the podium it could easily see them gain a position inside the top ten and gain well needed points. This is especially true for leagues were the teams are tight or races over 25% distance this is where starting low fuel tactics could mate a real difference.
Frank Thomas medal 5000 Moderator 5 years 236 days ago
25% races are a special case indeed, as is Monaco. Also I noticed I concentrated so much on the case of the weaker teams that I made my whole post sound as I'm completely in disfavour of this idea. I'm not, I just think it's a tool more in favour of the experienced managers and especially for the fast(est) teams. There it's opening up additional options and possibly making the races more interesting because with that trying to outrun the pack with lighter car is a more reliable option whereas now, if everyone's on the same tyres, the risk of getting a bad Qualifying/Start and thus ruining the a lighter car strategy right from the start is pretty high.
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