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Inters in full wet.

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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
Everyone who doesn't set the correct tyres are being put on inters at the start of the race..

Even when the track wetness is at 1.0

Surely you can put something like. 0.1 to 0.6 is inters and 0.7 to 1.0 for full wets...

With the current system. The ones who put on inters are 4 laps down by the 1st pit stops...

We had a driver pop in who's team put inters on, I told him to pit straight away (Came in on about lap 3) as he was a lap down already... he finished 4 laps ahead of the next place.. Just because of the inters to full wets issue.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
I don't understand why people keep bringing this up lately. There is an advanced strategy option -> Always set it to full wets and you will almost never have an issue.

You're never going to need to set the advanced strategy on inters.

Maybe a solution would be to make the default setting for advanced strategy full wets instead of inters.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
I think I solved the whole tire issue. Make cars hover on track.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
"Eton
I don't understand why people keep bringing this up lately. There is an advanced strategy option -> Always set it to full wets and you will almost never have an issue.



You're never going to need to set the advanced strategy on inters.



Maybe a solution would be to make the default setting for advanced strategy full wets instead of inters.


I'm on the 2D and our last 4 races have been full wets for the entire race... So seeing the F2P players running around on inters and only having a top 10 / 12 teams as the others don't come in to the 2D is just daft..

I take it that you know about the track wetness information?

If the track starts out at 1.0 (Which is the wettest it can be) then Inters is no good.

Hence. 0.1 to 0.6 they auto put inters on and from 0.7 to 1.0 it's full wets.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
Yeah I'm aware of track wetness but half the problem is that the managers don't set up an advanced strategy.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
but you won't know the track wetness until you are in the race and even then, it's only for the 2D players.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
The fact that all the info on how wet the track is, is hidden away unless you hit ` in the chat for a start is a joke.

Everyone in Rob's league on 2D even would never have known about all this info unless Rob told us about it, but instead he decided that keeping all this to himself would just make the game pointlessly boring (which I'm almost certain it would be for those without this info having 4 back to back wet race and instead of doing well their being lapped numerous times).

This kind of track info needs to be made very clear because in it's curretn form, all you get is a picture and humidity in the setup screen. Then when in the race, all you get is a picture from the weather station facility showing a vague picture, temp and wind stats. TBH next to pointless unless it does go from wet to dry or vice versa, but in a fully wet race, pointless. Especially considering the monsoon Europe seems to be having every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday it seems.

Then the fact that, I got to my race late because I forgot that the clocks went back and it would affect iGP. So I join my race 40mins late to find my cars automatically on Inters. This hasn't got to do with my advanced setup, they are running around on the game's shit ass default setup, default advanced setup, default fuel and trye strategy. 

Which was Sots despite requiring Full Wets for quali, then starting the race on useless Inters. But then pitting for Softs to only then re-pit for useless Inters again had I not shown up.

Now I know I messed up by being late and default setups shouldn't be race winning setups, but to be a lap down in under 10 laps is just retarded.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
I'm sorry but I don't find the inter vs full wets argument valid if you forget to set up an advanced strat. I used to do this all the time when I was new and I never once blamed the game, I used to blame myself for forgetting to set up the advanced strat. It's almost like guys on hards complaining they are 2 seconds off the pace around the likes of Hungary when it isn't even cold. The default strat for some tracks is hards according to some of the tech directors when it clearly should be softs - Isn't this kind of the same thing?

Also re: 0.6 being inters? I don't find this, I never have. In fact I only find inters useful when the track gets below 0.4, maybe even 0.2. Inters are practically useless in this game unless the track is drying out, and I don't need to see the info to make that guess because I can just tell by the lap times and/or the amount of spray.

Although yes, I agree some of the info should be available to free players. All they can go off is lap times, not being able to see the tyres or track spray or the info is a little off putting. Free users are racing blind, and it is completely unfair - I used to think strongly in the other direction but now I'm in all agreement that free users should be given more control than they have now.

I see the best fix as making the default advanced strat set to full wets regardless - Inters are way less common in this game, it should be full wets by default.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
Not reading all this stuff but surely his point is what if it goes from dry to light rain? Full wets wouldnt be the suitable tyre, but its the only tyre available to switch to in advanced mode.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
Does light rain even exist in this game anymore? I haven't seen any in well over 6 months.
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medal 5000
12 years 9 days ago
It does, but it's very rare.
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medal 5000
12 years 8 days ago
"Little
Does light rain even exist in this game anymore? I haven't seen any in well over 6 months.


We had it once in our league a few days ago, and it's the only time I've seen it where Full Wets weren't the better choice. Even then the window for Inters was only about 6 to 8 laps, then full wets took over once again.
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medal 5000
11 years 364 days ago
"Ethan
The fact that all the info on how wet the track is, is hidden away unless you hit ` in the chat for a start is a joke.




Could someone please explain, how the hidden info gets visible?
Thanks
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medal 5190
11 years 361 days ago
"Ethan
The fact that all the info on how wet the track is, is hidden away unless you hit ` in the chat for a start is a joke.



Everyone in Rob's league on 2D even would never have known about all this info unless Rob told us about it, but instead he decided that keeping all this to himself would just make the game pointlessly boring (which I'm almost certain it would be for those without this info having 4 back to back wet race and instead of doing well their being lapped numerous times).



This kind of track info needs to be made very clear because in it's curretn form, all you get is a picture and humidity in the setup screen. Then when in the race, all you get is a picture from the weather station facility showing a vague picture, temp and wind stats. TBH next to pointless unless it does go from wet to dry or vice versa, but in a fully wet race, pointless. Especially considering the monsoon Europe seems to be having every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday it seems.



Then the fact that, I got to my race late because I forgot that the clocks went back and it would affect iGP. So I join my race 40mins late to find my cars automatically on Inters. This hasn't got to do with my advanced setup, they are running around on the game's shit ass default setup, default advanced setup, default fuel and trye strategy. 



Which was Sots despite requiring Full Wets for quali, then starting the race on useless Inters. But then pitting for Softs to only then re-pit for useless Inters again had I not shown up.



Now I know I messed up by being late and default setups shouldn't be race winning setups, but to be a lap down in under 10 laps is just retarded.


Here's another way for you to see that info, depending on your Operating system, go into Control Panel and click on Java. Go to Advanced and select Show Console under Java Console.

This game is all about self learning experience, nobody is going to tell you how to win, otherwise they won't win themselves, that would be like, "Hey, I'll just put 1 litre of fuel into my car for this lap so you can all finish ahead of me."

The Java console is used for finding bugs in the game for the advanced players to use, not to discriminate people, but you will find there are quite alot of hardcore managers on this game in the upper leagues who will use this feature to help improve their race. You are playing at an Intermediate level, wanting the game to be easier so you can reach the top end of the ranking system. If we can cope buddy, so can you. We all have two hands, two feet and a brain, amoung many other things, surprisingly some people don't use their brains or are just not interested, you are though but you seem to be willing to only do half the job.

Chris

Not reading all this stuff but surely his point is what if it goes from dry to light rain? Full wets wouldnt be the suitable tyre, but its the only tyre available to switch to in advanced mode.


All Tires can be found under the Advanced Mode settings, each Tire in that area has a drop down menu.

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medal 5190
11 years 361 days ago
As for Intermediates, this game is growing slowly with only two developers creating this game, give them some slack, as this is still the best Racing Manager game on the internet, let them update the game as it comes, Managing whether or not the track has standing water is still a difficult thing to deal with, let the Dev Team work on it.

For now, Light rain is more common than you believe, lets go through all the weather patterns:

Sunny
[list]
[*]Track Temperature will be high, on particularly circuits it will be very hot.
[*]Tires heat up faster and cool down slower
[*]Tire Degradation rate is increased
[*]Driver's Health% drops faster.
[/list]
Cloudy
[list]
[*]The Track temperature is moderate.
[*]Tires heating and cooling are easier to manage
[*]Tire degradation is average for the track.
[/list]
Overcast
[list]
[*]The Tracks Temperature is moderate
[*]There is risk of rain at any given minute.
[*]Rain can be either Light or Heavy.
[/list]
Light Rain
[list]
[*]The Track Temperature is low
[*]The Track is getting wet slowly, may take about 10 laps for it to become standing water
[*]This is where intermediates are best used during the start and drying period of the rainfall.
[*]Keeping an eye on track wetness helps determin the rate of water being placed onto the track.
[/list]
Heavy Rain / Thunderstorm
[list]
[*]Track temperature is very low
[*]The track is flooded with lots of standing water, it would be strongly advised to use Full Wets.
[*]Track wetness will climb very fast and remain at 100% for the whole duration.
[/list]

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medal 5000
11 years 361 days ago
woo - thanks for that David.
I have pasted it onto a word doc for easy reference
:)
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medal 5000
11 years 361 days ago
since when does driver health drop faster when it's sunny? this i have never noticed, health only seems to drop faster when you push harder?
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medal 5190
11 years 361 days ago
"Youen
since when does driver health drop faster when it's sunny? this i have never noticed, health only seems to drop faster when you push harder?


Oops, nevermind ;] Can't break the first rule to explain why I mentioned this.
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