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Alexander Faß
5 years 235 days ago

Can we please get a system implemented that places managers with the same amount of points in the standings correctly? After countless weeks i've been trying to figure out how managers are sorted but it is simply random. It doesn't sort alphabetically, it doesn't sort after the best finish, the manager who was in front before a race doesn't always get the higher position. There is simply no system in check.

Best example: In one of my leagues (1 car setting) i had two managers finish 2nd and 3rd with 212 points after 17 races. Both used the same driver over the whole course of the season. The manager that got placed 3rd won a race twice. The one placed 2nd won only once. Now the best part: When i checked the drivers standings it was the other way around with the driver of the 3rd placed team getting 2nd and the 2nd placed team getting 3rd for their driver.

I really don't want to imagine the outrage if there's a tie for the championship and the wrong guy wins. Imagine this in the official league.

The best solution would be to use the countback as it is used in F1 (most 1st place finishes gets the better position. in case of a tie, most 2nd place finishes and so on.) or any system really that is not RNG.

Bastian Ba
5 years 235 days ago

it is sorting based on who achieved the best result first. So the manager you mentioned is 2nd won his race before the manager who is 3rd.

anyhow i like your idea would be a great improvement and would make the System more fair.

Johnny Cooper
5 years 235 days ago

Who won more times should definitely be the deciding factor who gets which place. If it still is a tie let them both be champions or whatever place they get. Even for 2nd and 3rd it is unfair, because of the reputation points one earns for the respective places.

Alexander Faß
5 years 235 days ago

Bastian

it is sorting based on who achieved the best result first. So the manager you mentioned is 2nd won his race before the manager who is 3rd.

anyhow i like your idea would be a great improvement and would make the System more fair.

sadly that isn't the case either since i am currently tied with another manager whose best finish was 5th in Round 1, whereas my best finish was 4th in the same race. yet i am behind him in the standings. he has no higher finishes than 5th currently.

another possibility i've researched is comparing the best worst result. but i busted this one aswell.

Leo Yeo
5 years 235 days ago

I agree with Alexander let's introduce some more logic into the game.

Bastian Ba
5 years 235 days ago

Alexander

Bastian

it is sorting based on who achieved the best result first. So the manager you mentioned is 2nd won his race before the manager who is 3rd.

anyhow i like your idea would be a great improvement and would make the System more fair.

sadly that isn't the case either since i am currently tied with another manager whose best finish was 5th in Round 1, whereas my best finish was 4th in the same race. yet i am behind him in the standings. he has no higher finishes than 5th currently.

another possibility i've researched is comparing the best worst result. but i busted this one aswell.

no thats how the System works. But i read about a bug that the System somehow does not count the 1. race but it should do. at least from the 2nd it should be how i explained.

Kieran Taylor
5 years 235 days ago

The sorting system should be clearly stated in the rules publicly, I don’t understand why it is not, and if I is bugged should be top priority to fix, who wants to play a game we’re something as fundamental as figuring out who wins and why they win is broke??? Baffling

Brad Keller
5 years 235 days ago

Great idea!! Just wish the problems get solved and worked out!! Games needs to be fixed before it get developed!

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
5 years 235 days ago

Alexander

Bastian

it is sorting based on who achieved the best result first. So the manager you mentioned is 2nd won his race before the manager who is 3rd.

anyhow i like your idea would be a great improvement and would make the System more fair.

sadly that isn't the case either since i am currently tied with another manager whose best finish was 5th in Round 1, whereas my best finish was 4th in the same race. yet i am behind him in the standings. he has no higher finishes than 5th currently.

another possibility i've researched is comparing the best worst result. but i busted this one aswell.

It is not random. Teams are ranked by their best position, if this is the same then the tie break is which team achieved it first. There is a bug which means the Australia race is excluded from the calculation.

Leo Yeo
5 years 234 days ago

Then that should be fixed. Do the devs know about this? Is any action going to be taken?
Also I still prefer the system Alexander proposed, even if the igp way works it makes less sense.

Alexander Faß
5 years 234 days ago

Kevin

Alexander

Bastian

it is sorting based on who achieved the best result first. So the manager you mentioned is 2nd won his race before the manager who is 3rd.

anyhow i like your idea would be a great improvement and would make the System more fair.

sadly that isn't the case either since i am currently tied with another manager whose best finish was 5th in Round 1, whereas my best finish was 4th in the same race. yet i am behind him in the standings. he has no higher finishes than 5th currently.

another possibility i've researched is comparing the best worst result. but i busted this one aswell.

It is not random. Teams are ranked by their best position, if this is the same then the tie break is which team achieved it first. There is a bug which means the Australia race is excluded from the calculation.

i tried replicating said scenario where australia is bugged and this seems to be accurate for all the teams standings. but there still is that one scenario left unanswered where the team in 2nd place with same points had the 3rd placed driver and 3rd placed team the 2nd place driver (both drivers competing in all 17 races that season).

Johnny Cooper
5 years 234 days ago

Kevin

It is not random. Teams are ranked by their best position, if this is the same then the tie break is which team achieved it first. There is a bug which means the Australia race is excluded from the calculation.

So if I win in Malaysia I'm good if it comes to tie between wins?

Alexander Faß
5 years 234 days ago

Johnny

Kevin

It is not random. Teams are ranked by their best position, if this is the same then the tie break is which team achieved it first. There is a bug which means the Australia race is excluded from the calculation.

So if I win in Malaysia I'm good if it comes to tie between wins?

basically yes. if you win malaysia you can score all 2nd places for the remainder of the season. if the points end up tied with another team after race 17 you get the championship although you only won one race the entire season. algorithm definitely needs to be looked at if you consider this extreme.

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
5 years 234 days ago

Johnny

Kevin

It is not random. Teams are ranked by their best position, if this is the same then the tie break is which team achieved it first. There is a bug which means the Australia race is excluded from the calculation.

So if I win in Malaysia I'm good if it comes to tie between wins?

Hi Johnny
In a nutshell yes. Because of the glitch in the calculation, if you're tied in points for the championship but you won Malaysia you will be champion even if your competitor won the Australia race.

Probably a more likely scenario is that your best finish is 11th in Malaysia which means you will always be the top team on zero points when it comes to the battle to avoid relegation late in the season.

The extraordinary scenario that Alexander refers to is unlikely to happen in iGP but could also happen in real life.

Team A: Have 1 race where their drivers finish 1st & 2nd (43 points) and 20 races 2nd & 3rd (660 points) total = 703 points
Team B: Take the remaining 20 race wins = 500 points.

If Team B's second car doesn't score 203 points team A are constructors champions. It only takes one of Team B's cars to have a handful of DNFs or non points finishes and they lose the constructors championship to team A despite winning 20 of the 21 races.

The rankings algorithm in iGP has been this way for the four years I have played the game and has never been called out as a major problem. I agree that the Australia bug should be addressed but until it is, at least everyone now knows how equal points rankings works.

Casju21 Casju21
5 years 211 days ago

It still would be nice if the developers could fix that buck or use the F1 system. Because in my league we had a tie between P1 and P2. The one that got P2 won in Australia but the managet that got P1 won in Malaysia. So that this buck decided the Championship.

Alexander Faß
5 years 211 days ago

Casju21

It still would be nice if the developers could fix that buck or use the F1 system. Because in my league we had a tie between P1 and P2. The one that got P2 won in Australia but the managet that got P1 won in Malaysia. So that this buck decided the Championship.

bugs like this are considered small issues that aren't a priority until something goes wrong like in your case. i said it already and i can only repeat myself that the outrage and confusion would be huge if this would have happened in the broadcasted AOR iGP league.

i'm 100% with you that the bug needs to be looked at and fixed. i can settle for the system that gives the championship position to the manager who gets the best finish first but the algorithm should work flawlessly in this case and not exclude Australia.

if a community mod responds, please let me know if i should report this issue in a new post in the bug section or if it's fine leaving it here.

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
5 years 211 days ago

Hi Alexander.

Us mods have reported this bug "off the record" to the devs in the past. It would be a good idea for you to do as you suggest and create a new thread in the "Bugs" section so that it becomes an "Official bug report". If you do that I will escalate it to the iGP team and hopefully it can then be prioritised on their list of fixes.

Thank you for your help,
Kev.

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