Setup & Qualifying

Youen Vyme, 42 minutes ago

There is something wrong with the setups. The other day at Germany, 4 or 5 teams running standard setups (didn't even log on to load last seasons one) qualified 0.6 seconds faster than my team who has a car that is 10-15% better than them. In fact their setups were that completely wrong that in the race they were 3 seconds a lap off the pace compared to me, so how did they qualify so fast? They were less than half a second off the lap record aswell might I add.

inb4youdidsomethingwrong - my drivers (1 of them atleast) is 18 talent and very well trained, and my car is 90% more or less. In fact one of the drivers who had no setup qualified P2 while my 18 talent driver qualified P18. In a nut shell, basically all the teams who logged on and did setups / strategies qualifed worse than the teams who had old parts and no setups, even though their drivers are better and their design is higher.

Qualifying has never made sense to me. It always seems back asswards. 

I back up Youen. I happens to me all the time. This definitely must be looked at. Qualifying is dice throwing at the moment.

Just to clarify the pace of my cars and drivers. For example today was Valencia and my driver Csapo was only 0.07 seconds off the qualifying record, so I just struggle to see how a bunch of teams with lesser trained drivers, lower car designs and default setup can qualify as fast as they did.

It's not my lack of pace in that particular qualifying that concerns me (I realise drivers can make mistakes), my question is why were they so fast in qualifying (with a setup miles off the "ideal" setup) when they were so incredibly slow in the race.

Any way, my intention wasn't to complain about how "random" qualifying is, just trying to figure out what happened in yesterdays race. Do some tracks suit a certain setup (considering all the teams that didn't set up were probably running the exact same setup) and not perhaps what your driver tells you to do in his practice runs?

We've been getting some very bizarre qualifying results in our league. There are always cars with lower designs , lower drivers and no setup appearing in the top 5 and then going backwards at 2-3 seconds off the pace.
Ethan Bass and me sufferred last night with setups not being saved and this is compromising the enjoyment we get from this game.

This whole weather before qualifying needs shorted, cause it's bullshit. The weather shouldn't change within the hour of the event. Having it being really wet, very heavy rain with thunder before lockdown, only for it to become bright summer sunshine once lockdown has started is complete bollocks.

Qualifying right now is worse than betting on horses.

This is a great one tonight.

1 person in our league from Elites didn't turn up to the race and had lapped up to the top 10 so far. lololololol.. ran just over .500 on the fastest lap so far..

It was heavy heavy rain and within less than 2 mins of lockdown.. It dries up and it's screwed over everyone who made a setup.

But hey.. According to some people.. The weather system is a good idea and it doesn't mess up races... This is epic racing... So realistic. Sure.

A slightly different complaint/question:

It seems to me the qualifying difference between Soft and Hard tires as far as lap times doesn't make sense. There always seems to be a definite difference in one-lap pace between the tires, even though supposedly everyone runs Push 5/5 with 10 L fuel with the tires at optimum temperature at the start of the run (be they Soft or Hard tires). I would think there are certain tracks where Hards should be faster over a lap simply because Push 5 on Softs would overheat the tires and lose grip. I understand that Hards grip less - as they should - but with a high enough combination of temperature and tire wear, this should shift to favor the Hards at some point.

Before the Qualifying change there were tracks where it was better to run a lower push because it kept the tires alive longer, so you'd sacrifice a bit on the early portion of the lap to gain it back on the back half. In the race, there are some tracks where Hards are just plain faster over a lap because you can maintain a higher push level over someone on Softs. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what's really going on, but I don't ever see this behaviour in qualifying, to the point where I can often look at the qualifying times and tell which drivers are on Softs and which are on Hards.

Well you're right to an extent James, but not entirely. Remember qualifying afaik is done on fresh tyres, and new softs can take atleast a lap of being red.

It's only when the tyres the softs are like below 50% that hards usually take over in being faster, and qualifying isn't done on rubber that low.

100% agree but you are 100% over thinking it... lolol.

Come on.. This is iGP. Wet tyres in heavy rain is the quickest format because the way it's set up atm, rain = less surface tension = fastest laps...

You make an excellent point.. Maybe david could tell us about the new update planned/scrapped/planned and then re-scrapped for the past year now.

I wonder if the "Tallent" attribute is having too bigger effect ?

I have a tallent 9 driver and it seems that his downfall is qually and not so much in the race it's self..

I constantly qually off of pole, but he comes through and wins alot of the time.. He gets out quallied by my other drivers who have tallent 16, 16 and 20. but they are not as quick as him during the race.. atm.

You are right about talent as far as me and many others know. It plays a huge part on qualifying, but it's irrelevant for my league and the comparison I was making because the drivers I was comparing (with no setups) to my driver are all 18 talent and roughly the same age (within 1-2 years of each other) with the same experience aswell.

So basically: They had no setup, old parts, 10-15% worser car, identical drivers and they all qualify ahead of the people who did setups etc.

If they were fast in the race it would make sense, but like I say, they were literally seconds off the pace when the race started, so why they were so fast in qualifying makes no sense to me.

Ahhh. Then yeah. It's a different thing all together then. ( Sonny is my 2nd account, I thought I was on this account when posting.)

It seems (To me personally.) that this game NEEDS to go back to the basics.. each day and every day it's problems problems... Nothing coming back from the actual devs unless it's something they can quick fix or they are dealing with at that exact time.

If I was running iGP. I would get beta testers in (who have more than 2 brain cells to rub together) and lock the whole game down for 1 week.... for that 1 week, it would be nothing but basic bug fixing and sorting issues like the stats and many many other things..

1 week lock down is better than new people signing up and seeing this game is far from sorted at base level and then not come back.

I do that frequently. :D


Which is a whole other conversation on its own.

You are too kind - as you can see from my avatar my brain cells are lego bricks.

Not sure who you are referring to there Rob. I can assure you that the testers were hand picked & are all experienced players.

I am not refering to any body at all Edwin.

I mean that with some of the utterly bizarre ideas / suggestions that come out in iGP, the devs should get people who know about racing in general.. and not main stream console players who pop on a PC now and then, who don't know the inns and outs of how browser games work and so on....

I didn't even know there was a set of testers tbh.. It was just me saying that this game needs to be locked for 1 week.. No one on the system at all unless they are in for testing and racing.. nothing other than that... 1 week with no one else but testers allowed to come in to the game should sort a lot of the basics out and make it a better foundation.

And thats why you dont run iGP.

Low fuel. Soft Tyres.
Enough said.

Ehhh. Nice constructive point you make.. Cheif tester I'm guessing? :D