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Was the FIA fair?

Should Vettel and Leclerc have been given penalty for Italian Grand Prix?

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Yes
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No
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M S medal 6367
5 years 77 days ago
Ok so if you watched the 2019 Italian Grand Prix Qualifying Sebastian Vettel in Q3 Qualy did a lap which he exceeded the track limit all 4 tyres over the white line - which according to FIA is an invalid lap time and should have been deleted. But FIA bailed out under pressure and didn't penalize Vettel. This was a crucial lap for Vettel as this was the only lap set by him in Q3 due to the farcical 2nd run in Q3. Which if Vettel was penalized would have sent him to p10 for race start.

Now Leclercs turn this time in actual race. Leclerc forced Hamilton off the track while defending to stop Hamilton from overtaking, he was given black and white flag warning so called yellow card but actually no action or penalty was given. Previously for same action others drivers were given 5 second time penalty for instance Max Verstappen last season! 

Then Leclerc missed his breaking point locked up and cut the corner went over the sleeping policeman ramps while under pressure from Hamilton from behind and kept the position! FIA took no action what so ever but in past the driver doing so has to give position away and then can challenge back for the lead. Similar thing happened last season between Max and Seb. Seb was very vocal on radio and as max didn't give position back was given time penalty. 

So why was all 3 decisions for the above actions not penalized or given alternative penalty. Do you think this was correct, fair and consistent decisions by FIA? Please vote above and feel free to messsge below. Please refrain from childish posts and give honest and fair opinion. Not being a fan boy or girl about it but trying to see what F1 fans think about this. 
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Connor Cooper medal 4923 Super Mod
5 years 77 days ago (Last edited by Connor Cooper 5 years 77 days ago)
Vettel blatanly had 4 tyres over the white line so yes, needs a penalty.

Leclerc doesn't need a penalty. He is in the lead, not just going to give the lead away, so needs to defend. No penalty- black and white flag was correct way to deal with this.

Not that I agree but here is the official reason Vettel was not penalised in Q3:
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/why-vettel-escaped-penalty-monza/4535382/
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James Atkins medal 5032
5 years 77 days ago
Race done now but yeah leclerc should've had a penalty for keeping the position cutting the corner. I think FIA didn't want to do a canada, because it would create an even bigger problem especially at italy
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Johnny Cooper medal 5000
5 years 77 days ago
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Ok so if you watched the 2019 Italian Grand Prix Qualifying Sebastian Vettel in Q3 Qualy did a lap which he exceeded the track limit all 4 tyres over the white line - which according to FIA is an invalid lap time and should have been deleted. But FIA bailed out under pressure and didn't penalize Vettel. This was a crucial lap for Vettel as this was the only lap set by him in Q3 due to the farcical 2nd run in Q3. Which if Vettel was penalized would have sent him to p10 for race start.


Might have saved Vettel's race somewhat perhaps. If he didn't make his spin due to a totally different race situation for him starting in P10 (or better P9, because of Kimi's penalty).
But from what I saw it is very hard to say if Vettel left the track with all four wheels at any time completely.
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M S medal 6367
5 years 76 days ago (Last edited by M S 5 years 76 days ago)
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Ok so if you watched the 2019 Italian Grand Prix Qualifying Sebastian Vettel in Q3 Qualy did a lap which he exceeded the track limit all 4 tyres over the white line - which according to FIA is an invalid lap time and should have been deleted. But FIA bailed out under pressure and didn't penalize Vettel. This was a crucial lap for Vettel as this was the only lap set by him in Q3 due to the farcical 2nd run in Q3. Which if Vettel was penalized would have sent him to p10 for race start.


Might have saved Vettel's race somewhat perhaps. If he didn't make his spin due to a totally different race situation for him starting in P10 (or better P9, because of Kimi's penalty).
But from what I saw it is very hard to say if Vettel left the track with all four wheels at any time completely.



https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/d164fr/stillshot_of_vettel_at_parabolica_during_his/



Leaving the track equals to lap time deleted. Especially leaving the track at the parabolica turn as by going off track and running wide there gains time. Off track equals to beyond the white lines on both sides off track. To be on track means car has to be in contact with the white line. As we can clearly see from the picture above in the link car was not touching the white line so Vettel was off the track! 
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