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ʙ ɨ ᴛ ᴄ ʜ
4 years 202 days ago

Here's my suggestion and it's very simple: Hire a new Viewer Developer.

I joined iGP Champions in Pro, Darren never shows up. Never makes setup and strategies. He literally NEVER plays the game.
How can you a have a Viewer Developer who doesn't even play the game? This really is beyond my comprehension. He's got his testing tools but those tools are different from the real game, you can't properly test your fixes, changes and new features if you don't even play the game cause you don't know what are you gonna do to the live game. He doesn't know the game dynamics, which are very different from the numbers he writes. And that's why he literally NEVER published a single update without any bugs. He only writes codes and tests his codes with his tools but he never knows what his updates are gonna bring into the game dynamics.
This is a HUGE problem. Devs not playing the game have broken the game itself. It's so broken it's mind blowing. How longer do we have to play a broken game? What is gonna happen in October? How do you know the game will be better and bugs will be fixed if you guys never even play the game?

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José Trujillo

Community Manager
4 years 202 days ago

Hi Lolita,

I appreciate your feedback but I am incredibly impressed by your arrogance, as far as I understand you are not in the company to see what goes on inside. Darren is an excellent developer who puts a lot of effort into making the game better. Obviously all developers play the game, not as much as I would like, on that we agree. But right now we need to keep our heads down and focus on what we're doing because we have deadlines that we have to meet.

I agree with you that the developers should play the game more, it's the logical thing to do. But it's completely disrespectful of you to say that someone should be replaced and point the finger at them. Please reconsider your position in the following comments.

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ʙ ɨ ᴛ ᴄ ʜ
4 years 202 days ago

José

Hi Lolita,

I appreciate your feedback but I am incredibly impressed by your arrogance, as far as I understand you are not in the company to see what goes on inside. Darren is an excellent developer who puts a lot of effort into making the game better. Obviously all developers play the game, not as much as I would like, on that we agree. But right now we need to keep our heads down and focus on what we're doing because we have deadlines that we have to meet.

I agree with you that the developers should play the game more, it's the logical thing to do. But it's completely disrespectful of you to say that someone should be replaced and point the finger at them. Please reconsider your position in the following comments.

You talking about arrogance makes me laugh. You banned my account a few days ago for NO REASON and deleted my comments for NO REASON, just because I said having 17/16 teams in a league is a well known old bug and you were saying it wasn't a bug.

There's a basic problem here and as far as I know, you have it with many people. I don't. Ask yourself a couple questions and have a nice evening.

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Lando Norris
4 years 202 days ago

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José

Hi Lolita,

I appreciate your feedback but I am incredibly impressed by your arrogance, as far as I understand you are not in the company to see what goes on inside. Darren is an excellent developer who puts a lot of effort into making the game better. Obviously all developers play the game, not as much as I would like, on that we agree. But right now we need to keep our heads down and focus on what we're doing because we have deadlines that we have to meet.

I agree with you that the developers should play the game more, it's the logical thing to do. But it's completely disrespectful of you to say that someone should be replaced and point the finger at them. Please reconsider your position in the following comments.

You talking about arrogance makes me laugh. You banned my account a few days ago for NO REASON and deleted my comments for NO REASON, just because I said having 17/16 teams in a league is a well known old bug and you were saying it wasn't a bug.

There's a basic problem here and as far as I know, you have it with many people. I don't. Ask yourself a couple questions and have a nice evening.

You be nice he's one of the producers he's trying he's best so be nice you wouldn't of got this game if this igp people didn't do anything next time appreciate what you have a take a thought

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Joao Pedrinho
4 years 202 days ago (Last edited by Joao Pedrinho 4 years 202 days ago)

José

Hi Lolita,

I appreciate your feedback but I am incredibly impressed by your arrogance, as far as I understand you are not in the company to see what goes on inside. Darren is an excellent developer who puts a lot of effort into making the game better. Obviously all developers play the game, not as much as I would like, on that we agree. But right now we need to keep our heads down and focus on what we're doing because we have deadlines that we have to meet.

I agree with you that the developers should play the game more, it's the logical thing to do. But it's completely disrespectful of you to say that someone should be replaced and point the finger at them. Please reconsider your position in the following comments.

Lolita said the same thing I said days ago, using other words, without # and with longer sentences. I don't understand why she can reconsider her position while you didn't give me any type of warning, days ago. You banned me permanently and I shouldn't have been able to write on the forum.

Anyway, trying to be constructive for a moment, I don't understand why you continue making the same mistakes every time. It's always the same story.

Example: New Pc WebGL: You release version 3.600 for...an hour, since the update was not ready (keyboard problems, kers megabroken), and so you released it only for mobile (full of problems anyway).... I cannot believe that nobody noticed those bugs before that day...
The same type of mistake..you released the training button that was impossible to be understood and it was not ready...(this is less important of course)..
What we see: "They didn't try anything before releasing". I ask you, Who is making mistakes? Users that complain or you, iGp team?

If every update you do causes many bugs (example.. WebGL version 3.605 came back to 3.600 randomly(?) before you released version 3.606) maybe you should reconsider something in your work, maybe choosing to fix something before doing something new... And I'm serious in saying this. It's serious advice. I think we all prefer waiting a week, a month more rather than having a broken update...

The question is always the same....are you sure that you test the things a sufficiently high number of times?

Then, after too many wrong updates, I got frustrated and I used bad words.. this is true of course.. but please... try also to understand our frustration...

About Darren (or other devs, it's the same), I don't care too much if he puts lot of effort(but I appreciated this thing because it is the starting point in the world of work) ..But we see facts and the facts are not good... I could also write something about the previous simulator update if you want.. or about advanced strategy.. both things, if I understood well from his posts, concern his fields.

I repeat my point of view, take your time to test more times. You're not wasting time, you're saving the time you have to spend in the future to fix the problems..

Sorry if I sound arrogant, this time it's not my intention.

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Anakin Skywalker
4 years 201 days ago

It looks like someone has brought out their many, many, many, many, many teams/accounts to make their opinion clear, JESUS!!! ?
Totally agree with what Joao and Lolita say here and in general.

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Jack Basford

CEO & CTO
4 years 201 days ago

I agree with José, that the manner in which this was raised was disrespectful to a colleague of ours, in a way that was completely unnecessary. Regardless of any bugs in updates, Darren is a big part of why iGP Manager has come this far in the first place. It's a shame that gets overlooked sometimes, but that comes with the job, as I've learned.

As for the suggestion to test more directly and not use tools, I agree. In fact, I was making a very similar point with the team internally just this morning. I don't believe that playing the game is the answer though, because frankly there's too much of a skill gap among the team to create the sort of tight racing that competitive players experience. It would be more productive for us to visit races set up by you guys and sit with you in the chat, and you can walk us through what is going on and give us feedback real-time, pointing out issues as they happen. Then we can pick through the race data afterwards and dig deeper. I'll try and set that up.

Anakin

It looks like someone has brought out their many, many, many, many, many teams/accounts to make their opinion clear, JESUS!!! ?
Totally agree with what Joao and Lolita say here and in general.

José asked me to check, and it isn't coming from us. Those voting "up" / in the opposite direction are using the same technique btw, such that ironically they cancel each other out. The ratio wouldn't change much even if we limited everyone to one account. It's rather pointless, imo.

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Lando Norris
4 years 201 days ago

I totally agree with Jack and Jose. if your account got deleted that means you need to use one at a time so L O I L T A SHOW A BIT MORE RESPECT

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ʙ ɨ ᴛ ᴄ ʜ
4 years 201 days ago

Lando

I totally agree with Jack and Jose. if your account got deleted that means you need to use one at a time so L O I L T A SHOW A BIT MORE RESPECT

What are you even talking about.

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BTW, I stand with my opinion and I don't care about the upvoting and downvoting as I know they're fake.

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Lando Norris
4 years 201 days ago

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Lando

I totally agree with Jack and Jose. if your account got deleted that means you need to use one at a time so L O I L T A SHOW A BIT MORE RESPECT

What are you even talking about.

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BTW, I stand with my opinion and I don't care about the upvoting and downvoting as I know they're fake.

This is my option of you so be nice an I don't. Care what you think be nice

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Paolo Di Giovanni
4 years 201 days ago

Jack

I agree with José, that the manner in which this was raised was disrespectful to a colleague of ours, in a way that was completely unnecessary. Regardless of any bugs in updates, Darren is a big part of why iGP Manager has come this far in the first place. It's a shame that gets overlooked sometimes, but that comes with the job, as I've learned.

As for the suggestion to test more directly and not use tools, I agree. In fact, I was making a very similar point with the team internally just this morning. I don't believe that playing the game is the answer though, because frankly there's too much of a skill gap among the team to create the sort of tight racing that competitive players experience. It would be more productive for us to visit races set up by you guys and sit with you in the chat, and you can walk us through what is going on and give us feedback real-time, pointing out issues as they happen. Then we can pick through the race data afterwards and dig deeper. I'll try and set that up.

Anakin

It looks like someone has brought out their many, many, many, many, many teams/accounts to make their opinion clear, JESUS!!! ?
Totally agree with what Joao and Lolita say here and in general.

José asked me to check, and it isn't coming from us. Those voting "up" / in the opposite direction are using the same technique btw, such that ironically they cancel each other out. The ratio wouldn't change much even if we limited everyone to one account. It's rather pointless, imo.

I agree with José and Jack, it isn't nice what Lolita asked. If all of us did it, the forum would be plenty of requests like this, not only about Darren, of course.

You Jack seem not to look properly at your staff work, maybe it's time to do it and to read more who lives this game, to improve it.

Apart from Bruno Brown and the kindness of Yunus (sad not seeing him around often), the staff looks not to be present and then competent in the dynamics of this game. How can you bring improvements, how can you fix something broken if people that talked to you (and that you listen to) don't have a clear idea on what to do for this game?

I know we have been very rude in our protests, but believe me, we haven't got comprehension even when we were kind, we generally read arrogant answers that were even wrong.

I'm so sorry because you are a very clever person and you had a magic game.

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Jack Basford

CEO & CTO
4 years 201 days ago (Last edited by Jack Basford 4 years 201 days ago)

We're listening now and as I've said in other threads, it's not because people got louder, ruder or something else behavioural. Frankly, there was always someone being rude, so that was never a factor anyway. What's happening is we are now beginning to come to the closure of some projects we've been working on quietly for many months in the background. They'll be visible soon, but they were so overwhelming in scale that a large portion of the team simply couldn't multi-task. That's still the case to some extent now. Until they are released, our energies and resources are split between the seen and unseen updates.

In a sense you're right that I haven't been overseeing the output coming from everyone on the team, but also that's not sustainable. I'm not reading every post our support team does, I'm not looking over every line of code our developers write. This is simply impossible with the scale of the operation now. I have trust in the team. We can / must get where we are going without the need for anyone to be omnipotent, everywhere at once, micro-managing everyone's output. That's not a strategy. We have to delegate and go through whatever growing pains that enatils as roles shift, people learn from mistakes and standards are established. Eventually, if I've done my job right and delegated responsibilities and roles correctly, I will become almost irrelevant to daily operations and just steer the ship. That's the goal.

That said, I can see ways to improve things now that my focus is returning to this area and the interactions we're having with the community. That will be the case wherever we look, there are always optimisations to be made everywhere. We're going to be making more of an effort to bridge the gap between what you guys want and what we're doing though in the weeks ahead. I think that should start with us joining you in some of your races (not as participants, as spectators) and you can talk us through the issues as they happen and we can talk through solutions together. If you take a look at the changelog in recent weeks you can see we've been making progress and efforts to achieve this already, and now it's down to finalising the best approaches and fine-tuning the solutions to get the right gameplay balance.

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Lando Norris
4 years 201 days ago

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Lando

I totally agree with Jack and Jose. if your account got deleted that means you need to use one at a time so L O I L T A SHOW A BIT MORE RESPECT

What are you even talking about.

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BTW, I stand with my opinion and I don't care about the upvoting and downvoting as I know they're fake.

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Here's my suggestion and it's very simple: Hire a new Viewer Developer.

I joined iGP Champions in Pro, Darren never shows up. Never makes setup and strategies. He literally NEVER plays the game.
How can you a have a Viewer Developer who doesn't even play the game? This really is beyond my comprehension. He's got his testing tools but those tools are different from the real game, you can't properly test your fixes, changes and new features if you don't even play the game cause you don't know what are you gonna do to the live game. He doesn't know the game dynamics, which are very different from the numbers he writes. And that's why he literally NEVER published a single update without any bugs. He only writes codes and tests his codes with his tools but he never knows what his updates are gonna bring into the game dynamics.
This is a HUGE problem. Devs not playing the game have broken the game itself. It's so broken it's mind blowing. How longer do we have to play a broken game? What is gonna happen in October? How do you know the game will be better and bugs will be fixed if you guys never even play the game?

So ive raced in you league and I'm fine I don't care maybe he has something to do like fix the game or he needs to do something

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ʙ ɨ ᴛ ᴄ ʜ
4 years 201 days ago (Last edited by Connor Cooper 4 years 201 days ago)

Lando

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Lando

I totally agree with Jack and Jose. if your account got deleted that means you need to use one at a time so L O I L T A SHOW A BIT MORE RESPECT

What are you even talking about.

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BTW, I stand with my opinion and I don't care about the upvoting and downvoting as I know they're fake.

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Here's my suggestion and it's very simple: Hire a new Viewer Developer.

I joined iGP Champions in Pro, Darren never shows up. Never makes setup and strategies. He literally NEVER plays the game.
How can you a have a Viewer Developer who doesn't even play the game? This really is beyond my comprehension. He's got his testing tools but those tools are different from the real game, you can't properly test your fixes, changes and new features if you don't even play the game cause you don't know what are you gonna do to the live game. He doesn't know the game dynamics, which are very different from the numbers he writes. And that's why he literally NEVER published a single update without any bugs. He only writes codes and tests his codes with his tools but he never knows what his updates are gonna bring into the game dynamics.
This is a HUGE problem. Devs not playing the game have broken the game itself. It's so broken it's mind blowing. How longer do we have to play a broken game? What is gonna happen in October? How do you know the game will be better and bugs will be fixed if you guys never even play the game?

So ive raced in you league and I'm fine I don't care maybe he has something to do like fix the game or he needs to do something

STFU kid.

Edited by Moderator: The moderation team have seen (and removed) the screenshot and are taking the necessary actions.

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Lando Norris
4 years 201 days ago

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Lando

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Lando

I totally agree with Jack and Jose. if your account got deleted that means you need to use one at a time so L O I L T A SHOW A BIT MORE RESPECT

What are you even talking about.

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BTW, I stand with my opinion and I don't care about the upvoting and downvoting as I know they're fake.

ʟ

Here's my suggestion and it's very simple: Hire a new Viewer Developer.

I joined iGP Champions in Pro, Darren never shows up. Never makes setup and strategies. He literally NEVER plays the game.
How can you a have a Viewer Developer who doesn't even play the game? This really is beyond my comprehension. He's got his testing tools but those tools are different from the real game, you can't properly test your fixes, changes and new features if you don't even play the game cause you don't know what are you gonna do to the live game. He doesn't know the game dynamics, which are very different from the numbers he writes. And that's why he literally NEVER published a single update without any bugs. He only writes codes and tests his codes with his tools but he never knows what his updates are gonna bring into the game dynamics.
This is a HUGE problem. Devs not playing the game have broken the game itself. It's so broken it's mind blowing. How longer do we have to play a broken game? What is gonna happen in October? How do you know the game will be better and bugs will be fixed if you guys never even play the game?

So ive raced in you league and I'm fine I don't care maybe he has something to do like fix the game or he needs to do something

STFU kid.

Edited by Moderator: The moderation team have seen (and removed) the screenshot and are taking the necessary actions

My opinion you are a selfish women and come back and explain how you agree ok

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4 years 200 days ago

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