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Reputation scaling to racedays

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medal 5001
3 years 234 days ago
As it stands today, managers in a 7-day racing league have an advantage in building up reputation and as such in HOF, an advantage against managers in leagues which run less then 7 days a week.

This advantage will also lead to all 7 day racing leagues to have a higher average reputation and so they also have an advantage when compairing leagues.

I suggest changing reputation calculation, scaling it somehow to the number of races per week. I don’t know exactly how it should be calculated, just making the suggestion, don’t have all the detail.

I do aknowledge the way it works today, probably is “works as designed” and fits all the devs goals, but i think it will badly skew manager reputation and league reputation in the long term
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medal 5007
3 years 227 days ago
counter argument:
surely if you are giving up more of your time to race per week, you deserve the extra rep? And those that only play the game to get higher rep should just join leagues with more races per week? Just playing devil's advocate here
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medal 5000
3 years 234 days ago
The whole reputation system needs a rethink really...
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medal 5001
3 years 234 days ago

Stuffy
The whole reputation system needs a rethink really...


I would agree with you but i think what we already have is not that bad, considering the complexity of it all.


Comparing leagues and managers in order to calculate the perfect reputation system is something we all want but thats not feasable, needs too much computing power imo.
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medal 5000
3 years 233 days ago

Slo

Stuffy
The whole reputation system needs a rethink really...


I would agree with you but i think what we already have is not that bad, considering the complexity of it all.


Comparing leagues and managers in order to calculate the perfect reputation system is something we all want but thats not feasable, needs too much computing power imo.



It must be pretty complex, so I'm not complaining. I race in a 7 day league so I'm a beneficiary of it being this way, and I didn't even think of the issues you've brought up here, so thank you for bringing them to my attention. Knowledge is power. I hope a way can be found that addresses this issue, I did wonder how I'm around 500 in the world rankings this month despite only playing the game for 6 months 😂😂
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medal 5022
3 years 233 days ago
Online activity and strength of opponents, has to be added, too.
It is way easier to win in a weak inactive league, than in a strong active league...
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medal 5000
3 years 233 days ago
what is reputation? that number that indicates that a manager plays every day in a weak league? but we have new graphics that are very important to the game ... nice for heaven's sake though
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medal 5000
3 years 233 days ago
The whole HOF system should be disappeared as fast as possible. Disappointing to see so many weak managers (even rookie managers and some of the weak managers in elite tier who are racing in inactive league) can reach top 1000 in world, even top 500 easily. On the other side, there are so many top managers can't even get reputation due to racing in an active and strong league. Reputation is what? As Dome said, no one is really care about the reputation now because the whole system is totally make almost all the managers reputation upside down, peoples are so upset with that HOF update.
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medal 5000
3 years 230 days ago
Maybe the game can keep track of how many races the manager did in a month, and take away reputation based off of that. I think the reputation lost could be a lot smaller as well.
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medal 5001
3 years 230 days ago
Sad to see this rejected, although we already knew, i was hoping the game was driven by our gaming experience or at least to some degree. Not by money and money alone
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medal 5022
3 years 230 days ago

Slo
Sad to see this rejected, although we already knew, i was hoping the game was driven by our gaming experience or at least to some degree. Not by money and money alone



We just have to suggest it 20× that it will be implemented like the safety car:)
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medal 5001
3 years 229 days ago

Bastian

Slo
Sad to see this rejected, although we already knew, i was hoping the game was driven by our gaming experience or at least to some degree. Not by money and money alone



We just have to suggest it 20× that it will be implemented like the safety car:)


In hindsiight, i’m happy i never suggested safety car
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medal 5000
3 years 229 days ago
The whole HOF is compeatly messed up as eventually everyone will end up at 5000 rep which was not the idea. Also the rep change has only ment that players with 10,000 rep before the new system have a big advantage as the people like me who had 8000 or so has no chance of catching up as there is no limit for them
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medal 5000
3 years 229 days ago
Actually the changes disadvantage those with 10000 rep as now 1 good season will put you right there with them, like you in 5800rep being only 300rep behind top 1 while it would have needed 3 excellent seasons to make up to 9700+ rep.

Returning to the suggestion, yes it needs a rethink for everyone not running everyday as it will punish them even if they are "rightful" of a higher spot in the HoF as one of the best managers, taking an example in Liga de Leyendas which runs 4 days a week counting with plenty of ex-10000rep that are now declining in reputation.
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medal 5007
3 years 227 days ago
counter argument:
surely if you are giving up more of your time to race per week, you deserve the extra rep? And those that only play the game to get higher rep should just join leagues with more races per week? Just playing devil's advocate here
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medal 5001
3 years 227 days ago (Last edited by Antonio Ascari 3 years 227 days ago)
Leo
counter argument:
surely if you are giving up more of your time to race per week, you deserve the extra rep? And those that only play the game to get higher rep should just join leagues with more races per week? Just playing devil's advocate here


Maybe its not possible for me to give up more time. Maybe its how i race today or nothing at all.


Those who are lucky enough to have more time, should they also benefit in reputation just for that reason? Or should i be punished for not having the time available?

But hey, at least i now know the only goal of HOF is to push all players towards 7 days a week racing and thus workes as designed.

I honestly think its disrespectful towards all players who don’t race 7 days a week, but hey, seems no one cares. Thx José for pointing this out so clearly.
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medal 5022
3 years 227 days ago
Leo
counter argument:
surely if you are giving up more of your time to race per week, you deserve the extra rep? And those that only play the game to get higher rep should just join leagues with more races per week? Just playing devil's advocate here



The hall of Fame should Show the best managers, not the most active...

In your view Kimi raikkonen is a better driver than lewis Hamilton because he has more races...

At the Moment managers racing less than 7 races have a big disadvantage...
In case the scaling would be made by average Reputation gain per race noone would have a disadvantage...
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medal 5000
3 years 227 days ago

Leo
counter argument:
surely if you are giving up more of your time to race per week, you deserve the extra rep? And those that only play the game to get higher rep should just join leagues with more races per week? Just playing devil's advocate here


so according to your advice, to be the best in the world I have to leave my league, where I compete with the best in the world and I struggle to get points, to go to a poor league but which plays 7 days a week and always competes on lonely leading the race? nice advice ..... so I propose to change the name of this ranking, it could be called the ranking of the players who play the most. you could also have a contest the more you play the more you win, at the weekend the player who did the most races could win a chat with José and at the end of the month the winner could have a good chat with Jack. The funny thing is that they have removed the maximum score from 10000 as if someone could get there this makes us understand that we are not doing well in terms of calculation. Good day.

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medal 5001
3 years 227 days ago

Bastian
Leo
counter argument:
surely if you are giving up more of your time to race per week, you deserve the extra rep? And those that only play the game to get higher rep should just join leagues with more races per week? Just playing devil's advocate here



The hall of Fame should Show the best managers, not the most active...

In your view Kimi raikkonen is a better driver than lewis Hamilton because he has more races...

At the Moment managers racing less than 7 races have a big disadvantage...
In case the scaling would be made by average Reputation gain per race noone would have a disadvantage...


I agree, what we have now has nothing to do with fame.
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medal 5007
3 years 227 days ago (Last edited by Leo Yeo 3 years 227 days ago)
Slo
Leo
counter argument:
surely if you are giving up more of your time to race per week, you deserve the extra rep? And those that only play the game to get higher rep should just join leagues with more races per week? Just playing devil's advocate here


Maybe its not possible for me to give up more time. Maybe its how I race today or nothing at all.


Those who are lucky enough to have more time, should they also benefit in reputation just for that reason? Or should i be punished for not having the time available?

Fair enough, I understand some just can't give up time, but I wouldn't call it "luck" for the people that do make genuinely large sacrifices to be able to play this game. I think that is disrespectful to the people who give up more time per week. They deserve some sort of award, maybe not in the HoF but somewhere else 🤔. Again though I understand where you are coming from.


Dome

Leo
counter argument:
surely if you are giving up more of your time to race per week, you deserve the extra rep? And those that only play the game to get higher rep should just join leagues with more races per week? Just playing devil's advocate here


so according to your advice, to be the best in the world I have to leave my league, where I compete with the best in the world and I struggle to get points, to go to a poor league but which plays 7 days a week and always competes on lonely leading the race?

No. There are many difficult leagues that have 7 GPs a week, and to say the one that you are in is conclusively "the best" with "the best players" is quite subjective. I'm sure now you'll go on to mention players that are in it, but it's okay, that's not important right now and it isn't going to help us make the hall of fame better.

After looking at all of these comments and seeing the state of the hall of fame atm (top managers only 1000 rep above new players, jfc) I agree changes must be made, BUT making it so that the number of days raced a week is irrelevant to rep gained is not the eureka solution to the mess that is HoF, surely someone can agree with me on that? I also have a bad feeling it could have unwanted side effects if not implemented properly, which considering the last few updates is certainly possible.
Some problems off the top of my head:
how is the rep gain/lack of rep gain going to be calculated when people are doing different schedules, racing on different days with season breaks on different days? At what point of the week will the game calculate rep gain? If it is a per race thing then how do we account for the rep gain of people jumping between 1 race/week leagues? Rep penalties for league hopping?

Honestly at this point I'm thinking it would just be easier to divide total rep gain from the month by the number of races completed, any other system introduces weird issues.


EDIT: also only just realised my earlier post was marked as the best solution, which I don't agree with. It wasn't a solution it was just a discussion point to ensure all sides were being heard from.

EDIT 2: also really not happy to see this idea has been rejected already, the discussion was just getting good 😅
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medal 5022
3 years 227 days ago
Scaling it to racedays is obviously not enough, like i often mentioned, online activity and strength of the league has to be considered, too.
But normalizing the Reputation gained for races raced, would make the system better to compare leagues and managers...
Reputation lost when not active is another figure which needs adjustment in my view...
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