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medal 5000
2 years 238 days ago
In the new roadmap, it seems to have been stated that there would be new levels introduced, up to level 30. This, while giving more depth, leaves managers like myself, in Elite but at lower levels, in limbo. This will help better teams to push away further and make racing less exciting. At the moment, I am finishing third every race, with two level 20 teams 10-20 seconds clear, with me in no-mans land in the middle of them and the others. If this is true, I would suggest a new tier, called Legendary, where higher teams go to duke it out, while lower teams can improve and gain levels in Elite, while having fun. I hope you take this into consideration.
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medal 5044
2 years 235 days ago
I don't think dividing the player base into another tier would be beneficial.

After roughly LVL 16-17, an experienced manager can fight LVL 20 accounts and even have a slightly unfair advantage if he does his long-term strategy over the course of a season well. It's all about researching and dumping.

Another solution to the LVL gap could be adjusting the experience gained instead, but I'm personally torn about this one as well. For leagues that race every day, levelling up is quite nicely paced right now. It could be frustrating for leagues that race once or twice a week, but for the daily ones, it doesn't take either unnecessarily long or little.
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medal 5000
2 years 234 days ago (Last edited by José Trujillo 2 years 234 days ago)
I don't agree, there is a real problem of level in the leagues. You get promoted to Elite with a level 14 or 15, against levels 20. If the 20s are active, you don't score any points in 20 races and you find yourself relegated to Pro. You find yourself systematically going up and down every season. That's why there are so many leagues...

It's quite funny to hear level 20s say that you can fight on a regular basis when you have a level 16-17...

There is a missing division between Pro and Elite, it's not that much harder than that.

ADM-José: Translated from French to English
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medal 5038
2 years 234 days ago

Philippe
I don't agree, there is a real problem of level in the leagues. You get promoted to Elite with a level 14 or 15, against levels 20. If the 20s are active, you don't score any points in 20 races and you find yourself relegated to Pro. You find yourself systematically going up and down every season. That's why there are so many leagues...

It's quite funny to hear level 20s say that you can fight on a regular basis when you have a level 16-17...

There is a missing division between Pro and Elite, it's not that much harder than that.

ADM-José: Translated from French to English


Sorry I don’t agree that there is a tier missing.  Most Pro tiers are dead making it easy to gain promotion to Elite so introducing another tier won’t solve the problem (it would be like kicking the can down the road).  You would just gain promotion to Elite a season earlier.  This situation is only made worse by super weak leagues allowing managers to be successful in Elite at level 14 etc.  Fine when you are in that league, but what happens if it folds?  Managers who think they are Elite level find themselves forced to join another Elite league and get a massive shock when they regularly get lapped.


The only solution is introduce some form of cap which blocks promotion until say level 12 to Pro and level 16/17 to Elite.  Good managers can and are competitive at level 16/17, but a lot aren’t and will still need some patience while they are progressing through the levels.  This isn’t an perfect solution, but probably the least imperfect of the possible options.
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medal 5000
2 years 234 days ago

Mitchell

Philippe
I don't agree, there is a real problem of level in the leagues. You get promoted to Elite with a level 14 or 15, against levels 20. If the 20s are active, you don't score any points in 20 races and you find yourself relegated to Pro. You find yourself systematically going up and down every season. That's why there are so many leagues...

It's quite funny to hear level 20s say that you can fight on a regular basis when you have a level 16-17...

There is a missing division between Pro and Elite, it's not that much harder than that.

ADM-José: Translated from French to English


Sorry I don’t agree that there is a tier missing.  Most Pro tiers are dead making it easy to gain promotion to Elite so introducing another tier won’t solve the problem (it would be like kicking the can down the road).  You would just gain promotion to Elite a season earlier.  This situation is only made worse by super weak leagues allowing managers to be successful in Elite at level 14 etc.  Fine when you are in that league, but what happens if it folds?  Managers who think they are Elite level find themselves forced to join another Elite league and get a massive shock when they regularly get lapped.


The only solution is introduce some form of cap which blocks promotion until say level 12 to Pro and level 16/17 to Elite.  Good managers can and are competitive at level 16/17, but a lot aren’t and will still need some patience while they are progressing through the levels.  This isn’t an perfect solution, but probably the least imperfect of the possible options.



There is no need to introduce restrictions for the transition to the Elite, you need to enter the manager's confirmation of consent to the transition to the Elite. This will allow experienced managers at 14-16 levels to play in the Elite calmly, they do not need 20 levels to be competitive.


You are right about the fact that we are getting a lot of new leagues, just because of this and this is what the developers need to fight with. For example, introduce a rule that if there are less than 10 active managers in the league in the last month - disbandment. Let active managers look for active leagues, if it is not a "private" league for friends.


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medal 5000
2 years 234 days ago
Alexey

Mitchell

Philippe
I don't agree, there is a real problem of level in the leagues. You get promoted to Elite with a level 14 or 15, against levels 20. If the 20s are active, you don't score any points in 20 races and you find yourself relegated to Pro. You find yourself systematically going up and down every season. That's why there are so many leagues...

It's quite funny to hear level 20s say that you can fight on a regular basis when you have a level 16-17...

There is a missing division between Pro and Elite, it's not that much harder than that.

ADM-José: Translated from French to English


Sorry I don’t agree that there is a tier missing.  Most Pro tiers are dead making it easy to gain promotion to Elite so introducing another tier won’t solve the problem (it would be like kicking the can down the road).  You would just gain promotion to Elite a season earlier.  This situation is only made worse by super weak leagues allowing managers to be successful in Elite at level 14 etc.  Fine when you are in that league, but what happens if it folds?  Managers who think they are Elite level find themselves forced to join another Elite league and get a massive shock when they regularly get lapped.


The only solution is introduce some form of cap which blocks promotion until say level 12 to Pro and level 16/17 to Elite.  Good managers can and are competitive at level 16/17, but a lot aren’t and will still need some patience while they are progressing through the levels.  This isn’t an perfect solution, but probably the least imperfect of the possible options.



There is no need to introduce restrictions for the transition to the Elite, you need to enter the manager's confirmation of consent to the transition to the Elite. This will allow experienced managers at 14-16 levels to play in the Elite calmly, they do not need 20 levels to be competitive.


You are right about the fact that we are getting a lot of new leagues, just because of this and this is what the developers need to fight with. For example, introduce a rule that if there are less than 10 active managers in the league in the last month - disbandment. Let active managers look for active leagues, if it is not a "private" league for friends.




I’m not sure consent will make any difference.  I’ve been in leagues where level 10’s have opted to be promoted even after the host was warned them that they will struggle.  It’s a natural reaction to want to be promoted.

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medal 5000
2 years 234 days ago
M
Alexey

Mitchell

Philippe
I don't agree, there is a real problem of level in the leagues. You get promoted to Elite with a level 14 or 15, against levels 20. If the 20s are active, you don't score any points in 20 races and you find yourself relegated to Pro. You find yourself systematically going up and down every season. That's why there are so many leagues...

It's quite funny to hear level 20s say that you can fight on a regular basis when you have a level 16-17...

There is a missing division between Pro and Elite, it's not that much harder than that.

ADM-José: Translated from French to English


Sorry I don’t agree that there is a tier missing.  Most Pro tiers are dead making it easy to gain promotion to Elite so introducing another tier won’t solve the problem (it would be like kicking the can down the road).  You would just gain promotion to Elite a season earlier.  This situation is only made worse by super weak leagues allowing managers to be successful in Elite at level 14 etc.  Fine when you are in that league, but what happens if it folds?  Managers who think they are Elite level find themselves forced to join another Elite league and get a massive shock when they regularly get lapped.


The only solution is introduce some form of cap which blocks promotion until say level 12 to Pro and level 16/17 to Elite.  Good managers can and are competitive at level 16/17, but a lot aren’t and will still need some patience while they are progressing through the levels.  This isn’t an perfect solution, but probably the least imperfect of the possible options.



There is no need to introduce restrictions for the transition to the Elite, you need to enter the manager's confirmation of consent to the transition to the Elite. This will allow experienced managers at 14-16 levels to play in the Elite calmly, they do not need 20 levels to be competitive.


You are right about the fact that we are getting a lot of new leagues, just because of this and this is what the developers need to fight with. For example, introduce a rule that if there are less than 10 active managers in the league in the last month - disbandment. Let active managers look for active leagues, if it is not a "private" league for friends.




I’m not sure consent will make any difference.  I’ve been in leagues where level 10’s have opted to be promoted even after the host was warned them that they will struggle.  It’s a natural reaction to want to be promoted.




There are players who have already played in the Elite, went down to Pro and do not want to return there temporarily, they are forced to deliberately lose races, which destroys sports principles.

There are conscious guys who at a low level understand that they will not be able to fight against 20. So it all depends on the person, if they want - please, no one should prohibit, but it should be possible to refuse without intentional losses / omissions.

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medal 5448
2 years 234 days ago
I don't think there is really anything to do against this phenomenon, for me small managers just have to wait unfortunately for them, it's often difficult, but with a certain design strategy you can manage to play ahead on some races for small levels, afterwards from level 16-17 a manager with a HQ at the level and who knows how to play the game well can very easily fight for good places in elite.


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medal 5000
2 years 234 days ago
The annoying thing is the better you do, the faster you gain levels
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medal 5003
2 years 234 days ago

Mitchell

Philippe
I don't agree, there is a real problem of level in the leagues. You get promoted to Elite with a level 14 or 15, against levels 20. If the 20s are active, you don't score any points in 20 races and you find yourself relegated to Pro. You find yourself systematically going up and down every season. That's why there are so many leagues...

It's quite funny to hear level 20s say that you can fight on a regular basis when you have a level 16-17...

There is a missing division between Pro and Elite, it's not that much harder than that.

ADM-José: Translated from French to English


Sorry I don’t agree that there is a tier missing.  Most Pro tiers are dead making it easy to gain promotion to Elite so introducing another tier won’t solve the problem (it would be like kicking the can down the road).  You would just gain promotion to Elite a season earlier.  This situation is only made worse by super weak leagues allowing managers to be successful in Elite at level 14 etc.  Fine when you are in that league, but what happens if it folds?  Managers who think they are Elite level find themselves forced to join another Elite league and get a massive shock when they regularly get lapped.


The only solution is introduce some form of cap which blocks promotion until say level 12 to Pro and level 16/17 to Elite.  Good managers can and are competitive at level 16/17, but a lot aren’t and will still need some patience while they are progressing through the levels.  This isn’t an perfect solution, but probably the least imperfect of the possible options.


No thanks, I liked the challenge of getting promoted to elite at level 11 and try to get a point to survive. It’s not all about winning a race, it’s also about the challenge of not getting relegated
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medal 5000 Super Mod
2 years 234 days ago
Luca
The annoying thing is the better you do, the faster you gain levels


No. You level up as a result of collecting XP and the XP you gain each race are not related to team performance.

You would level up more quickly coming last in every race in a rookie tier against a L20 manager than you would dominating an Elite tier against L19 managers.
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medal 5313
2 years 220 days ago
The level gap between 20 and 21 is likely to be huge compared to say 18-20. You will catch up and be marginally behind.

I will for one, may just end up missing out on level 20 when this is rolled out (5-10 races away from Lv20) but I fully support this.
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