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medal 5546
2 years 223 days ago
Hello everyone, in these days I talked with the staff about various problems, with the new update you can no longer follow the race. As they told me, but I had already anticipated them, I uninstalled and reinstalled, I cleared cache, stored data, and it does the same thing (both 2d and 3d).  I also tried with previous versions from apk, but oddly enough, with this update made for league rules, thanks to this update you can no longer enter the game, with the warning "UPDATE THE APP".

BECAUSE YOU FORCE MANY PEOPLE TO THROW MONEY INTO NEW MOBILES TO HAVE THE LATEST VERSION WORKING, WHEN IF THERE WERE PROBLEMS, YOU HAD AN OLD VERSION AND YOU WERE QUIET....

IS IT VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE UPDATES OR RATHER TO ALMOST COMPLETELY ABOLISH THE GAPS IN THE GAME?

in some GPs it was noticed (such as Singapore and Mexico) that you notice the acceleration and braking in every corner, then you went to see it in 3D, and on many GPs, at the time of the pit the car disappears, or goes intermittently ... then another unsolved bug (such as brazil, great britain, abu dhabi, and also in hungary) is well noted in 2d that there is the bug of the box exit. Then by updating you no longer enter to see any race in any way ...

For the few who use the PC, and for those who prefer to use the mobile phone who, alas, suddenly no longer know how to do it, what should they do? don't play anymore?

I hope you find a solution, and to really improve the game and not make it worse, otherwise, you will remain only you to play it!

I conclude with a HAPPY EASTER to all!
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medal 5000
2 years 223 days ago
I understand you ?
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medal 5781
2 years 223 days ago
It's the same for me, the latest update is completely incompatible with my tablet Samsung Galaxy Tab A and I can't connect to the live race anymore. Until now, I could play 2D with the old version of the app, but now the update is essential and I cannot install it on my device.  So, unless I buy a new device, I can't play Igp Manager anymore!
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medal 6098 CEO & CTO
2 years 223 days ago
Andrea
with this update made for league rules, thanks to this update you can no longer enter the game, with the warning "UPDATE THE APP".

We did everything in our power to try to avoid this outcome, but it was inevitable and unavoidable, once we began running through the implications.

Firstly, it was delayed by months, partly because we spent many weeks over the original deadline trying to get league rules working in some satisfactory manner on older devices and app versions. In the end, it was clearly not possible and we had to cut our losses rather than continue a wild goose chase. There were several reasons for the final decision:


  1. Strategy UI was completely incoherent on old apps - with 'no refuelling' rules and stint lengths set in laps, old apps said you were editing 'litres of fuel' instead (since we can't go back in time and make it recognise the new rules). They sent weird values to the servers, and the UI/UX was totally incoherent.

  2. During testing, complex interactions between old apps and the servers also caused races to crash, kicking everyone in the race out. Sometimes this didn't happen, but when it did it meant just one person using an old race viewer could throw 30 other people out of the race with them. We couldn't totally eliminate this behaviour. A mandatory update was an instant solution, but spending months ensuring app versions released 1-5 years ago could run the races with a completely incoherent UI simply stopped making sense.

  3. This is sometimes a tough but necessary decision you have to make as a developer. When the choice becomes one between annoying 99% of the audience or 1%, eventually you have to cut your losses and admit that you have to cater to that 99%. They can't be kept waiting forever.



Andrea

YOU FORCE MANY PEOPLE TO THROW MONEY INTO NEW MOBILES TO HAVE THE LATEST VERSION WORKING

What would we gain from that? We know it alienates people who can't or don't wish to upgrade their device. It's unfortunate, and I sympathise especially with anyone who isn't able to upgrade, but sometimes it's unavoidable.

We maintained support for old devices and app versions for several years beyond reasonable expectations. Most other massively-multiplayer games I play are forcing updates on me frequently, even monthly. They aren't going out of their way to try to make a phone from 2010-2017 work in 2022 and beyond, and sometimes it's not possible. Even within a span of just a few years, computer chips and hardware become incompatible with modern SDKs and libraries. I'm not talking about 3D or some flashy new feature either, I'm talking about stuff like the software that sends notifications to your phone (e.g. Firebase, from Google). Even Google at some point stops supporting old devices, and we use their software inside our software. This means that quite often third-parties whose software is embedded inside our software force us to drop support for old devices. In those cases it's not actually us forcing you, but them forcing us.

Regarding any other criticisms that we have more control over, they've been noted. Thanks for your feedback and I can only apologise that we can't cater to everyone all of the time, I can assure you that we tried our best in this instance.
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medal 5546
2 years 222 days ago

Jack

During testing, complex interactions between old apps and the servers also caused races to crash, kicking everyone in the race out. 


It's really true? Well for me isn't really true. The older version,from example 3.706 is correctly working (this is last version for webpages). So why delete completle this choise? Please tell me the really motivation why don't have choice for use my prefer version, because on latest version isn't work on phone 2d and 3d. I talk with my personal male, with ovih sapiens, they not meet? well i explane the problem and send a photo because if wathc race don't run. If i like install older version from this week it isn't possible to have because forcing to have last version.




Jack
Regarding any other criticisms that we have more control over, they've been noted. 


Really? This is my opinion and don't criticism, is talk for the real situation critic! You don't like have people on this game to talk for several problems and several decisions decide their? I'm really shokking! 


my request is simple: is possible to have choise for older version? if isn't possible, they force to people to buy new phone, for you isn't true? wrong, there are some people here have same opinion than me. I'm sorry for "criticism" but for running very well the game, i probably don't delete the choise for older version to wach race on phone. 
I swear solved this problem.





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medal 6083 Community Manager
2 years 222 days ago
Hello Andrea,

Looks like something is missing from your translation to your mother tongue.

We tested this update with older versions and it wasn't possible to make it work. The UI from older versions was made to play with the OLD/DEFAULT league rules (refuelling, free tyre choice and without bonus point). If a player with a old version joins a race with any of the new rules it would have obsolete and erratic UI, for example, you wouldn't be able to see you're going to be disqualified for not using two tyres compound, wouldn't be able to do a right pit if refuelling is banned, etc. More important than this, you would make the race to crash and stop for everyone if your car performs a pit, since it would try to refuel when it's banned.
Backward compatibility wasn't possible for the reasons mentioned above, we tried our best, testers can confirm you.

I understand from your point of view it's easy to put the blame on us, in fact, that's the case. We let players to use old versions for a lot of time when that isn't the game standard. I bet you can not find any game that's mmo and they allow backward compatibility. It's not possible. It's no longer possible to keep supporting versions from 2-3 years ago even if we allowed that for a lot of time. We don't want to force people to buy new phones, we don't get any profit from that, in fact, it's negative for us, even if it's just less than 1% of our audience we want to allow everyone to play. This said we can't freeze the game and don't make new updates for the rest 99%.

I recommend you to translate my message with DeepL, it really seems something was lost in translation from your previous comment.
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medal 5546
2 years 222 days ago
Only 1% dislike this update? mmmmm, are you really sure?? why don't take votation, or speak if most people approve or don't approve this decision.... Is finaly decision don't be able to older version? Compliment.... good!!
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medal 6083 Community Manager
2 years 222 days ago
Hello,

I didn't say 1% dislike the update, we don't have ways to know that. I did say 1% of the players wouldn't be able to update to the latest update due to their devices being obsolete. Again, something in lost in your translation Andrea.
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medal 5546
2 years 222 days ago

José
Hello,

I didn't say 1% dislike the update, we don't have ways to know that. I did say 1% of the players wouldn't be able to update to the latest update due to their devices being obsolete. Again, something in lost in your translation Andrea.


Well probably i don't explain very well, they are take most important to update or take correct action for all people? from today most people haven't possibilty to watch race ever for most problem into the last version and into impossibility login from older version.... You undertend this gravity problem? only on pc remaining the choise to see the race.... So if they staff aren't interested to help the all people and are interested of your business... and force to have last phone cost trhee houndred euros.... well from me but most they are broken a very good game... most probably a few mounth remaining alone only they staff!!!

Bye! (this is very disgusting, comliment!!!)
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medal 6083 Community Manager
2 years 222 days ago
Hello Andrea,

What's the metric you're using to know this "from today most people haven't possibilty to watch race ever for most problem into the last version"? We would like to help, according to our metrics it's far from being "most". Thanks!

All the recent reports and issues related to the latest version have been fixed, you can see the forum and check the labels.

Additionally I would like to hear something constructive, what's the alternative you're suggesting? Remove League Rules (one of the most demanded updates) so the other 1% of players can play? I would love to hear your proposed solution! Thank you Andrea. :)
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medal 5000
2 years 222 days ago
Just upgrade your phone man…. Chill ? 
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medal 5546
2 years 222 days ago
It isn't true guys.... I have last version and is impossible to see the race.... IS NORMAL? i have Redmi 9c phone, is recently phone and don't playable game for watching race? is impossible to solve this problem? other peoples have same problems, and for they is difficult to solve? wow.... is very incredible!!! 
From a few mounth talk with some bugs, and they don't correct those but create an update wich in this moment don't very necessary... i saw most discussion and i didn't see talk about "rules league", never see people request this update... well after this, is good to talk with all, and then take deciosion with votation probaly, if is like or not for all. 
I'm really sorry but this is a very big inconvenient to loose for the game. 
So they decide to solve problems or nothing?

only in pc is possible to see the race? ridicolous.... I like see on phone beacuse have 3d race.... i'm so really sorry for haven't possibility to watch.... really sorry
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medal 6098 CEO & CTO
2 years 222 days ago
Hi Andrea, that's a different discussion, and it seems a lot is being lost in translation. I don't think any English reader of your earlier posts understood that you were referring to a 2020 phone that has an issue loading a race. If you have a bug, which it sounds like, please make a bug report in the forum with a video or screenshots showing the problem. I don't think we can rely on communicating it via text as the language barrier is quite big in this thread.

That said, we have heard a couple of reports of problems like yours that were resolved by using a VPN. If you have a VPN on your phone, try using a server located in another country before launching iGP Manager or a race in-game and connecting to the race server using the VPN. I am not suggesting this is a permanent solution, but it would be useful for us to know if that works to understand the nature of the problem.
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medal 5546
2 years 221 days ago
I talk last time via mail with support, becuase here pass some weeks to answer for the problem. I just talk via e-mail and i wait the solution, for now never see solution.... via supportigpmanager talk....
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medal 6036
2 years 221 days ago
1% of very little player base is actually quite a lot ?
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medal 6098 CEO & CTO
2 years 221 days ago
FTR, in the time since the update was released and enforced the playerbase has grown. It was a difficult decision, but objectively the right one, even in hindsight.
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medal 6036
2 years 220 days ago
Jack
FTR, in the time since the update was released and enforced the playerbase has grown. It was a difficult decision, but objectively the right one, even in hindsight.



I totally agree, the game is progressing and becoming good again, you cant let peoplle with android 5 on 4 year old phones slow your progress.
 
Do you have a few words on what you are currently working on besides the league rules?
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