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medal 6600
2 years 73 days ago (Last edited by Ҝ丨爪 Jㄖ几Ꮆ ㄩ几 2 years 73 days ago)
This is regarding this rule...
2-tyre rule: You will need to fit two different dry compounds during a dry race.

I suggest allowing wet tires to count for the 2 tire rule as i don't see any advantage for someone running wets on a dry track and this is causing a lot of grief for races where the weather changes suddenly... Even possibly an issue for weather changes during the race the rule I have seen suddenly applied. Some unexpected DQ 
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medal 5000
2 years 73 days ago
Jong
This is regarding this rule...
2-tyre rule: You will need to fit two different dry compounds during a dry race.

I suggest allowing wet tires to count for the 2 tire rule as i don't see any advantage for someone running wets on a dry track and this is causing a lot of grief for races where the weather changes suddenly... Even possibly an issue for weather changes during the race the rule I have seen suddenly applied. Some unexpected DQ 


There is absolutely no necessity for this rule to be implemented. If the track’s wetness stay the same throughout the race, there is no reason to use different tyres
Even if the weather is changing, of course a different type compound will be used by active drivers, or else they will struggle. It is as simple as that
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medal 6600
2 years 71 days ago
Minh
This is for leagues that have a 2 tire rule... It's broken when the weather changes.
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medal 5000
2 years 71 days ago (Last edited by Skid Solo 2 years 70 days ago)
Jong
Minh
This is for leagues that have a 2 tire rule... It's broken when the weather changes.


No it isn’t broken.  2 tyre rule in exactly same as it is in rl.

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medal 4985 Moderator
2 years 71 days ago
I have to disagree, in some race situations it can break. As far as RL goes I have yet to witness a quarter distance formula race with nearly double speed.

About the suggestion, first there's the question if the game always applies the rule correctly. Any case of actual changing weather during the race shouldn't be affected by the rule as any rain should disable it. The problematic cases are the ones with rain stopping just before the race but the track drying too slowly to have enough laps in the dry, if any at all, to squeeze 2 stints in. If this happens often enough, as it applies to everyone the same a few cases are OK and just an unusual strategic challenge, possible solutions would be the proposed one of changing the rule to any two compounds, counting Inters, counting Inters if there's water on the track, or changing the rule that water on the track already disables the rule.
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medal 6600
2 years 71 days ago (Last edited by Ҝ丨爪 Jㄖ几Ꮆ ㄩ几 2 years 71 days ago)
https://igpmanager.com/forum-thread/50261

It is broken when rain stops during the race.

Additionally for people who are offline the advanced options do not allow for a 2 dry tire selection. If rain stops just before race but it's still above 0mm the cars start on inters then when it dries to 0mm it changes to only ONE dry tire for the rest of the race. Automatic DQ.
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medal 4985 Moderator
2 years 71 days ago
Yes, but the during race cases are bugs, those need some bug fixing, not rule changes. The just before race cases point out a little flaw in the rule set that might require rethinking the rule set.
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medal 6600
2 years 71 days ago
Just saying it's easier to allow the wets to count. I don't see a way someone could take advantage of that 
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medal 5968
2 years 70 days ago
Wait so if I start on softs it rains go to wets the back to softs I’ve still got use another dry compound? I didn’t know this as I’ve not been in that situation.
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medal 5026
2 years 70 days ago
The problem here is the automatic strategy and the game itself that evaluates if it's raining or not but it should consider if the track is wet or not when race starts. And when fixed I ask what threshold is considered wet race? 0,1-1,0? DRS is active before a track becomes dry (0.0 mm). I never understood when but for sure before 0.3 mm.
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medal 5568
2 years 70 days ago
What I would consider to be the issue is that you can have a race that starts with a wet track which is technically a “dry” race as it never rains during the time period of the race. I believe the distinction between a dry and wet race is based on the weather effect in place rather than the track condition.

This would force you to run two dry tyre compounds to avoid disqualification, and in the case of a 25% race at double speed the track may not even dry out in time.

I know iGP isn’t F1 but it might be worth considering following the rules that they use where you must use either at least 2 dry compounds or 1 wet one during the race. That way the weather can’t cause these niche effects. And someone choosing to run inters as their second tyre choice in the dry won’t be disqualified either, although why you would do this I’m not sure ?.
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medal 5728
2 years 68 days ago
I have managed 2 tyre rule in the past as a host at a time when league rules were not active. It’s darn complicated to communicate a clear set of rules on changing weather I can tell you this much.  Keep in mind English is not everyone’s mother tongue.

Back in the day I did exactly the same as the rule is now, 2 tyre rule stands, always, only situation where it doesn’t is when there’s rain or snow falling down during the race.

It’s just too complicated to do something else, believe me. When is a track dry, when not, during quali, during race, what amount of mm, those are hard decisions. And even harder to explain to those who don’t fluently speak English.

That’s why I like the rule, yes weather will always cause niche situations but it’s better to have a clear rule which doesn’t cover every single situation then have a complete rule which is too complex to explain
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medal 5254
2 years 67 days ago
Antonio
I have managed 2 tyre rule in the past as a host at a time when league rules were not active. It’s darn complicated to communicate a clear set of rules on changing weather I can tell you this much.  Keep in mind English is not everyone’s mother tongue.

Back in the day I did exactly the same as the rule is now, 2 tyre rule stands, always, only situation where it doesn’t is when there’s rain or snow falling down during the race.

It’s just too complicated to do something else, believe me. When is a track dry, when not, during quali, during race, what amount of mm, those are hard decisions. And even harder to explain to those who don’t fluently speak English.

That’s why I like the rule, yes weather will always cause niche situations but it’s better to have a clear rule which doesn’t cover every single situation then have a complete rule which is too complex to explain


Isn’t that exactly the issue with this current rule? There can be doubt as to whether your race is dry or wet. Considering a race where you race on a wet track as a dry race isn’t a natural thought process. And it’s difficult to pick out the 2 dry compound stipulation. I completely missed it although I’m probably not the best sample to go by ?


To me it would be much simpler to say use at least 2 dry compounds or 1 wet one. Take weather conditions out of the picture completely.

 I’ve run two tyre rule leagues before league rules came in also and that was the rule we used. Never had issues with it that i recall but I would really have struggled to explain having to use 2 dry compounds if the track was wet but it never rained during the race.

I think I can see what you mean though. By nature a hard and fast single rule is simpler than an either / or clause.
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medal 6600
2 years 66 days ago
Good discussion.....

The suggestion to make the rule option as " 2 dry compounds or 1 wet one" seems to eliminate any possible issues with all niche cases in my opinion.
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