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medal 5290
1 year 329 days ago
If theoretically it starts raining during the race, will someone with higher ride height and wing values than the optimal in dry practice (if they took a risk or just simply didn't do practice) have an advantage?
Do the optimal values change during the race if it transitions from dry to wet?
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medal 5007
1 year 329 days ago
I asked myself the same question. The facts say that setup is based on race start conditions and depending on how wrong is your setup, you will receive an handicap. Here ends setup role.

It would make sense having a setup considering the whole race length but my 180+ racing experience says what I wrote above.
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medal 5290
1 year 329 days ago
Most probably the correct answer, though it would be pretty nice if it was more realistic. These wet races would shuffle the grid order quite a bit and would allow for more risk taking on the preparation.

I couldn't find any other insight on the matter so noone really knows I guess.
Only someone who has tested it or a developer could give a definite answer though.
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medal 5383
1 year 328 days ago

Giovanni
I asked myself the same question. The facts say that setup is based on race start conditions and depending on how wrong is your setup, you will receive an handicap. Here ends setup role.

It would make sense having a setup considering the whole race length but my 180+ racing experience says what I wrote above.


I would disagree. In my humble opinion, “ideal setup” sets the fastest laptimes and ideal setup is tied to the current weather condition on track.


So if a race starts dry, everyone but you on dry setup, it starts raining, I think you on wet setup will be at an advantage as long as it actually rains. 

When drying, you’ll be at a disadvantage cause it’s considered dry (not raining means dry setup is ideal)

This is what my race experience tells me but I could be wrong here 
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medal 5290
1 year 328 days ago
I imagine it would be really time consuming for someone waiting for a race like that so pretty much everyone goes with the "optimal", unless they dont mind being 20-30 clicks away on setup every single race waiting for rain.

It really depends if the game "locks" the ideal setup before qualifying or not. Interesting to see different opinions on the matter though.

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medal 5000
1 year 328 days ago
Nikos
I imagine it would be really time consuming for someone waiting for a race like that so pretty much everyone goes with the "optimal", unless they dont mind being 20-30 clicks away on setup every single race waiting for rain.

It really depends if the game "locks" the ideal setup before qualifying or not. Interesting to see different opinions on the matter though.



I agree with Antonio, although very difficult to prove, but using tokens for ideal set up is dynamic and changes as per weather conditions so this is much more sensible approach than setting wing dnd height levels higher than optimal when dry in case it rains.  By doing what you propose you will lose a lot of time when the track is dry and won’t make it back even if it subsequently rains.  Think of it another way.  Would you start a dry race with wet tyres in case it rains after the race has started?  You might set AS so that your tyres will change when it rains, but I doubt you would risk starting on wets in dry conditions.

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medal 5290
1 year 328 days ago
Yes of course I would never intentionally ruin my setup in case it rains. I was saying that it would be a good way for someone to test it, like having 2 identical accounts on a private league, one on ideal setup and another on higher values every race and waiting until the one race where it actually rains just for testing purposes.

Having 20 more clicks on setup every race on purpose would be a disaster
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medal 5007
1 year 328 days ago

Antonio

Giovanni
I asked myself the same question. The facts say that setup is based on race start conditions and depending on how wrong is your setup, you will receive an handicap. Here ends setup role.

It would make sense having a setup considering the whole race length but my 180+ racing experience says what I wrote above.


I would disagree. In my humble opinion, “ideal setup” sets the fastest laptimes and ideal setup is tied to the current weather condition on track.


So if a race starts dry, everyone but you on dry setup, it starts raining, I think you on wet setup will be at an advantage as long as it actually rains. 

When drying, you’ll be at a disadvantage cause it’s considered dry (not raining means dry setup is ideal)

This is what my race experience tells me but I could be wrong here 


I don't deny that setup affects qualifying (this is it's main purpose indeed) but I have seen a couple of races when I was rookie or pro where it started to rain before 1 minute to start and I had a dry setup and an ideal setup.


My drivers had the same pace when it rained and later too when it stopped raining. Dry setup was the ideal one before qualifying.

Only an iGP developer can change my mind.
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medal 5000
1 year 328 days ago

Giovanni

Antonio

Giovanni
I asked myself the same question. The facts say that setup is based on race start conditions and depending on how wrong is your setup, you will receive an handicap. Here ends setup role.

It would make sense having a setup considering the whole race length but my 180+ racing experience says what I wrote above.


I would disagree. In my humble opinion, “ideal setup” sets the fastest laptimes and ideal setup is tied to the current weather condition on track.


So if a race starts dry, everyone but you on dry setup, it starts raining, I think you on wet setup will be at an advantage as long as it actually rains. 

When drying, you’ll be at a disadvantage cause it’s considered dry (not raining means dry setup is ideal)

This is what my race experience tells me but I could be wrong here 


I don't deny that setup affects qualifying (this is it's main purpose indeed) but I have seen a couple of races when I was rookie or pro where it started to rain before 1 minute to start and I had a dry setup and an ideal setup.


My drivers had the same pace when it rained and later too when it stopped raining. Dry setup was the ideal one before qualifying.

Only an iGP developer can change my mind.



Not sure if I understood correctly, but if the drivers had the same pace, doesn't that mean the setups were the same after qualifying started(and during the race)?


Not sure about what you mean with ideal but the "ideal setup" button for 3 tokens adjusts the settings for you according to the current conditions. If conditions change the setup stays the same as before.
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medal 5383
1 year 328 days ago
Giovanni

Antonio

Giovanni
I asked myself the same question. The facts say that setup is based on race start conditions and depending on how wrong is your setup, you will receive an handicap. Here ends setup role.

It would make sense having a setup considering the whole race length but my 180+ racing experience says what I wrote above.


I would disagree. In my humble opinion, “ideal setup” sets the fastest laptimes and ideal setup is tied to the current weather condition on track.


So if a race starts dry, everyone but you on dry setup, it starts raining, I think you on wet setup will be at an advantage as long as it actually rains. 

When drying, you’ll be at a disadvantage cause it’s considered dry (not raining means dry setup is ideal)

This is what my race experience tells me but I could be wrong here 


I don't deny that setup affects qualifying (this is it's main purpose indeed) but I have seen a couple of races when I was rookie or pro where it started to rain before 1 minute to start and I had a dry setup and an ideal setup.


My drivers had the same pace when it rained and later too when it stopped raining. Dry setup was the ideal one before qualifying.

Only an iGP developer can change my mind.


Well I’ve seen guys on wet setup go slow on a drying track and speeding up once rain started to fall. But i guess I’m no dev so …

By the way Nikos, ideal setup only has its purpose 10 minutes prior to race. Whatever  weather is like at that point, that’s your setup. If weather changes after this, your setup will not change afaik

Once again, I’m no dev so it’s again my experience talking here
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medal 5000
1 year 328 days ago

Antonio
Giovanni

Antonio

Giovanni
I asked myself the same question. The facts say that setup is based on race start conditions and depending on how wrong is your setup, you will receive an handicap. Here ends setup role.

It would make sense having a setup considering the whole race length but my 180+ racing experience says what I wrote above.


I would disagree. In my humble opinion, “ideal setup” sets the fastest laptimes and ideal setup is tied to the current weather condition on track.


So if a race starts dry, everyone but you on dry setup, it starts raining, I think you on wet setup will be at an advantage as long as it actually rains. 

When drying, you’ll be at a disadvantage cause it’s considered dry (not raining means dry setup is ideal)

This is what my race experience tells me but I could be wrong here 


I don't deny that setup affects qualifying (this is it's main purpose indeed) but I have seen a couple of races when I was rookie or pro where it started to rain before 1 minute to start and I had a dry setup and an ideal setup.


My drivers had the same pace when it rained and later too when it stopped raining. Dry setup was the ideal one before qualifying.

Only an iGP developer can change my mind.


Well I’ve seen guys on wet setup go slow on a drying track and speeding up once rain started to fall. But i guess I’m no dev so …

By the way Nikos, ideal setup only has its purpose 10 minutes prior to race. Whatever  weather is like at that point, that’s your setup. If weather changes after this, your setup will not change afaik

Once again, I’m no dev so it’s again my experience talking here


I think we said the same thing at the same time lol.


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medal 5290
1 year 328 days ago
In any way it only depends on how the game is programmed(obviously) so common sense wouldn't really apply here. It is a matter of testing after all.
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medal 4979 Moderator
1 year 327 days ago
Without proper testing it's hard to tell. To me it felt like the conditions at race start determine the setup handicap. I took that gamble setting wet setup at dry start seeing on rain radar it'll start to rain any moment on the real track. The cars didn't felt good in the dry and that didn't change once the rain arrived at the virtual track a few laps in.
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medal 5000
1 year 327 days ago
Would be good to be able to change ride height etc during a wet race. 
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