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Best prime driver?

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16.07% (27)
Hamilton
5.95% (10)
Vettel
8.33% (14)
Senna
31.55% (53)
Prost
13.69% (23)
Schumacher
24.4% (41)
Alonso
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medal 5000
1 year 345 days ago
Which of these drivers were the best in their prime?
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medal 5136
1 year 345 days ago
Jim Clark ?
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medal 5000
1 year 345 days ago
Vettel no question
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medal 5001
1 year 345 days ago
Definitely Jim Clark.  Winner in multiple disciplines of motor racing.
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medal 4999
1 year 344 days ago
Dick
Definitely Jim Clark.  Winner in multiple disciplines of motor racing.



It's between him and Mario Andretti for me, though I lean towards Andretti because I'm American. Really close one though. Also might consider including JP Montoya in this conversation. 

The best driver (IMO) on the given list is Alonso.
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medal 5000
1 year 343 days ago
AJ Foyt
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medal 5000 Super Mod
1 year 343 days ago
People have short or clouded memories. I'm surprised to see Alonso with most votes for "best driver in their Prime". When Alonso was in his prime he was beaten by a team mate who was in their rookie season. That's pretty unusual for any driver, let alone someone who is supposedly a great driver.

Not only was he being beaten by this rookie team mate, he showed his total lack of loyalty and morals by threatening to report the team who payed his wages to the FIA (for spying on Ferrari) unless they sabotaged his team mate's race by making him run out of fuel.
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medal 5160
1 year 343 days ago
1. You might need some glasses, Prost has the most votes.
2. Alonso wasn't beaten by Hamilton they both finished on the same points and even then that is the worst way to compare teammates, average pace and head to head is better
3. Alonso never did any of what you have said there. The downfall of that team is simply pinned on Dennis disrespecting Alonso for his immense 07 Monaco drive to win with a wounded car (said Hamilton should have won when Alonso had to slow down and adapt in order to finish the race) + then Hamilton ignoring McLaren qualifying procedure in Hungary.
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medal 5000
1 year 343 days ago

Kieron
1. You might need some glasses, Prost has the most votes.2. Alonso wasn't beaten by Hamilton they both finished on the same points and even then that is the worst way to compare teammates, average pace and head to head is better3. Alonso never did any of what you have said there. The downfall of that team is simply pinned on Dennis disrespecting Alonso for his immense 07 Monaco drive to win with a wounded car (said Hamilton should have won when Alonso had to slow down and adapt in order to finish the race) + then Hamilton ignoring McLaren qualifying procedure in Hungary.

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46226823.amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16738104397111&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fsport%2Fformula1%2F46226823
Alonso is a disgrace, just like his old manager flavio





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medal 5160
1 year 342 days ago
Jody

Kieron
1. You might need some glasses, Prost has the most votes.2. Alonso wasn't beaten by Hamilton they both finished on the same points and even then that is the worst way to compare teammates, average pace and head to head is better3. Alonso never did any of what you have said there. The downfall of that team is simply pinned on Dennis disrespecting Alonso for his immense 07 Monaco drive to win with a wounded car (said Hamilton should have won when Alonso had to slow down and adapt in order to finish the race) + then Hamilton ignoring McLaren qualifying procedure in Hungary.

https://www-bbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/46226823.amp?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16738104397111&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fsport%2Fformula1%2F46226823
Alonso is a disgrace, just like his old manager flavio








"I remember Fernando won in Monaco fair and square and in the last 20 laps of the race, he was managing the temperatures of the car because we had an issue. He was leading, and he was just managing the situation. You could see on the data that he was cruising and when I say cruising, it was incredible how early he was braking on every braking point. Lewis was catching him, but Fernando was sandbagging, but Lewis was trying to win the Monaco Grand Prix. And then after the race is when it all went wrong. Fernando was told by Ron that that race should have been won by Lewis. It was suggested that the boy was quicker than him basically. And then that pissed Fernando off massively, because if you look at the data and understand racing. You know that Fernando could've been 2 seconds per lap quicker, but Fernando is a massively clever driver and he knew how to win without compromising the car. That was the beginning of the end because he realised Ron didn't understand him, or how cleverly he was driving and after that, everything was wrong."

"Everyone in the team seemed to blame Fernando for passing the information to the FIA when they had 0 evidence that he did it, because the FIA knew, but that could be from Ferrari or anyone in the team. It was unfair that Fernando was blamed for something he didn't do."

- Pedro de la Rosa
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medal 5000 Super Mod
1 year 342 days ago
Whether or not the FIA already knew about the incriminating emails is a side issue. When Alonso made the threats neither Alonso or Ron Dennis were aware the FIA knew. The fact he attempted to blackmail the team principal into sabotaging Hamilton's race speaks volumes about his morality.

Besides which, how did the FIA already know? They knew because they had been tipped off by Flavio Briatorre. How did the team principal of Renault know about internal McLaren emails? Alonso told him.

Anyway, this thread is a poll asking for opinion on who was the best driver in their prime. IMO, any driver in their prime who is beaten by a rookie in an identical car can hardly be classed as the greatest. Especially when that Rookie has since gone on to break just about every record in the book.

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medal 5004
1 year 342 days ago
Excuse me but you are all wrong. The Spy story started from a denounce from the owner of a copy shop near McLaren HQ. Ferrari invited him for a tour in its factory.

Neither Alonso nor Hamilton are angels... Do you forget last 2016 race when Hamilton played his dirtiest trick? None of them is an example.
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medal 5160
1 year 342 days ago

Kevin
Whether or not the FIA already knew about the incriminating emails is a side issue. When Alonso made the threats neither Alonso or Ron Dennis were aware the FIA knew. The fact he attempted to blackmail the team principal into sabotaging Hamilton's race speaks volumes about his morality.

Besides which, how did the FIA already know? They knew because they had been tipped off by Flavio Briatorre. How did the team principal of Renault know about internal McLaren emails? Alonso told him.

Anyway, this thread is a poll asking for opinion on who was the best driver in their prime. IMO, any driver in their prime who is beaten by a rookie in an identical car can hardly be classed as the greatest. Especially when that Rookie has since gone on to break just about every record in the book.


That story about Flavio knowning and being tipped off by Alonso is utter baloney and neither does Alonso being beaten on countback by one of only a few close teammates on average pace constitute him being out of the debate. Alonso isn't at his prime in 2007, he's having to adapt away from his specific Renault aero balanced understeer style he picked up for 2005 specifically to win his two titles. Alonso hits his prime when fighting for the World Championship in 2010 and 2012.

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medal 5000
1 year 342 days ago
Sorry about my vote (in Prost) being a Brazilian fan, but in my opinion, Ayrton and Alain is the best drivers of F1, then won 7 championships together in 10 years be a teammates or not, Obrigado Senna and Merci Prost
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medal 5001
1 year 342 days ago (Last edited by Dick Dastardly 1 year 342 days ago)
Kieron

Kevin
Whether or not the FIA already knew about the incriminating emails is a side issue. When Alonso made the threats neither Alonso or Ron Dennis were aware the FIA knew. The fact he attempted to blackmail the team principal into sabotaging Hamilton's race speaks volumes about his morality.

Besides which, how did the FIA already know? They knew because they had been tipped off by Flavio Briatorre. How did the team principal of Renault know about internal McLaren emails? Alonso told him.

Anyway, this thread is a poll asking for opinion on who was the best driver in their prime. IMO, any driver in their prime who is beaten by a rookie in an identical car can hardly be classed as the greatest. Especially when that Rookie has since gone on to break just about every record in the book.


That story about Flavio knowning and being tipped off by Alonso is utter baloney and neither does Alonso being beaten on countback by one of only a few close teammates on average pace constitute him being out of the debate. Alonso isn't at his prime in 2007, he's having to adapt away from his specific Renault aero balanced understeer style he picked up for 2005 specifically to win his two titles. Alonso hits his prime when fighting for the World Championship in 2010 and 2012.


Wow you really are the fatman’s number one fanboy.  Where is all your evidence that disproves what said in the press and in interviews conducted at the time?


@Giovanni.  Not true it was widely reported in the press and was repeated by Dennis in a tv interview at the time.  There was nothing dirty about Abu Dhabi either most drivers at the time said they would have probably done something similar.  Dirty is what a certain German driver did in Adelaide in 1994!

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medal 5004
1 year 341 days ago

Dick
@Giovanni.  Not true it was widely reported in the press and was repeated by Dennis in a tv interview at the time.  There was nothing dirty about Abu Dhabi either most drivers at the time said they would have probably done something similar.  Dirty is what a certain German driver did in Adelaide in 1994!



You are right about Schumacher but I was talking about Hamilton being the most honest driver ever while Alonso doesn't (a biased opinion I think).


Probably my statement can be applied to all of the 6 above. Any of them has a shadow on his career.
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medal 5001
1 year 341 days ago

Giovanni

Dick
@Giovanni.  Not true it was widely reported in the press and was repeated by Dennis in a tv interview at the time.  There was nothing dirty about Abu Dhabi either most drivers at the time said they would have probably done something similar.  Dirty is what a certain German driver did in Adelaide in 1994!



You are right about Schumacher but I was talking about Hamilton being the most honest driver ever while Alonso doesn't (a biased opinion I think).


Probably my statement can be applied to all of the 6 above. Any of them has a shadow on his career.

True.  Every driver in any era has probably done something they regret at some point in their career.  To reach that level you need to be ruthless and at times selfish. 


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medal 5160
1 year 341 days ago

Dick
Kieron

Kevin
Whether or not the FIA already knew about the incriminating emails is a side issue. When Alonso made the threats neither Alonso or Ron Dennis were aware the FIA knew. The fact he attempted to blackmail the team principal into sabotaging Hamilton's race speaks volumes about his morality.

Besides which, how did the FIA already know? They knew because they had been tipped off by Flavio Briatorre. How did the team principal of Renault know about internal McLaren emails? Alonso told him.

Anyway, this thread is a poll asking for opinion on who was the best driver in their prime. IMO, any driver in their prime who is beaten by a rookie in an identical car can hardly be classed as the greatest. Especially when that Rookie has since gone on to break just about every record in the book.


That story about Flavio knowning and being tipped off by Alonso is utter baloney and neither does Alonso being beaten on countback by one of only a few close teammates on average pace constitute him being out of the debate. Alonso isn't at his prime in 2007, he's having to adapt away from his specific Renault aero balanced understeer style he picked up for 2005 specifically to win his two titles. Alonso hits his prime when fighting for the World Championship in 2010 and 2012.


Wow you really are the fatman’s number one fanboy.  Where is all your evidence that disproves what said in the press and in interviews conducted at the time?


@Giovanni.  Not true it was widely reported in the press and was repeated by Dennis in a tv interview at the time.  There was nothing dirty about Abu Dhabi either most drivers at the time said they would have probably done something similar.  Dirty is what a certain German driver did in Adelaide in 1994!




1994 is not the one you should be at all angry with Michael, he had the right to defend his place and the Hill half hearted move was typical, in-fact oddly enough, the best overtake I've ever seen him do was on the same man in Hungary 97 where he had clearly learned his lesson. 1997 Europe and Monaco 2006 is where Michael let himself down, 1994 let's not forget had seen Michael lose a maximum of 30 pts through pure FIA incompetence in both Silverstone and Spa.
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medal 5000
1 year 341 days ago
What about Dick Seaman?????
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medal 5014
1 year 339 days ago
Well, look what corporate flag I'm flying. There's no possible answer for me besides Jim Clark.
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