Tyres need sorting ASAP!

Hard tyres are the must now even at 5 degrees if you want to win a race. Can somebody tell us what's going on? I know we were all asking for mediums and hards to be a bit more competitive but now you've got to use at least one of them in any race, even at 5 degrees which has just happened in China. Makes no sense whatsoever. Now we need SS and S to be more competitive???

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Kevin Bissell Super Mod
1 year 92 days ago (Last edited by Kevin Bissell 1 year 92 days ago)

Hello Malcolm.

This is the second time you've started a new thread recently highlighting hard tyres, the other was 12 days ago... Tyres - What's going on?

You say above that it makes no sense whatsoever for hard tyres to be competitive at low temperatures but it does make sense if you think about it.

The league in which you compete have tyre rules enabled so everyone HAS to use two compounds. The two circuits that have prompted you to post on the forum are Italy and China. Both of these have high speed straights which makes it easier to get temperature into the tyres and these two circuits have the biggest time loss of any circuit for a pit stop which incentivises people to do fewer pit stops, even if it means selecting a slower compound.

So IMO tyres don't need to be sorted ASAP, it's simply a case of choosing the best strategy for the race taking into account the many factors that are influential (race distance / tyre rules on-off / refuelling rules on-off / pit loss / tyre wear / temperature / other teams strategy etc.).

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Out of interest I was just reading your league wall and see that you are still trying to use Hard tyres as a penalty to handicap the top three managers. This worked before the tyre update in August last year, I'm surprised that nobody in your league has picked up on ther fact that in some scenarios forcing people to run the Hards is not a penalty.
Your current poll is for the top three teams to be forced to start on SS. At some circuits this will also be a benefit rather than a handicap. Depending on conditions and circuit all tyres compounds are now useable.
If you really want to handicap people then you should insist that full wets are used for the first stint in dry races and a dry compound in a wet race. This would see the top managers qualifying at the back and force them into making an extra pit stop.

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Ghost Rider
1 year 92 days ago

I would also add that at 50% with norefuel, strategies are limited and doing fewer pit stops is preferable. SS and S have decent pace but need more race laps to be effective.

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Malcolm Middleton
1 year 90 days ago

Kevin

Hello Malcolm.

This is the second time you've started a new thread recently highlighting hard tyres, the other was 12 days ago... Tyres - What's going on?

You say above that it makes no sense whatsoever for hard tyres to be competitive at low temperatures but it does make sense if you think about it.

The league in which you compete have tyre rules enabled so everyone HAS to use two compounds. The two circuits that have prompted you to post on the forum are Italy and China. Both of these have high speed straights which makes it easier to get temperature into the tyres and these two circuits have the biggest time loss of any circuit for a pit stop which incentivises people to do fewer pit stops, even if it means selecting a slower compound.

So IMO tyres don't need to be sorted ASAP, it's simply a case of choosing the best strategy for the race taking into account the many factors that are influential (race distance / tyre rules on-off / refuelling rules on-off / pit loss / tyre wear / temperature / other teams strategy etc.).

Edit:
Out of interest I was just reading your league wall and see that you are still trying to use Hard tyres as a penalty to handicap the top three managers. This worked before the tyre update in August last year, I'm surprised that nobody in your league has picked up on ther fact that in some scenarios forcing people to run the Hards is not a penalty.
Your current poll is for the top three teams to be forced to start on SS. At some circuits this will also be a benefit rather than a handicap. Depending on conditions and circuit all tyres compounds are now useable.
If you really want to handicap people then you should insist that full wets are used for the first stint in dry races and a dry compound in a wet race. This would see the top managers qualifying at the back and force them into making an extra pit stop.

Rules & Regulations state a clear difference between all four dry tyres at different temperatures. Many others agree that this is simply not the case anymore. Maybe the rules & regs need re-writing? What we seems to have now is, SS 4 or 5 laps, S 7 or 8 laps, M (pushed) 9 or 10 laps and H (pushed) 11 or 12 laps. We've gone from Softs being utterly dominant to choose hards and mediums and one stop... in any temp. Just make sure you're fuelled up to push. Maybe you're right, and this is absolutely fine. But to a a lot of us we've lost the joy of tyre selection and gambling on the back of temps and distance. All that really needed to change was Hards being given a slighlty bigger operating temp, and Softs going off a bit sooner to make them less dominant.

I will pass on your recommendations on using wet tyres as a penalty to the group.

Thank you for replying, I know I sound a bit irate but I genuinely love this game. And I'm not the only one that feels the same. Thank you Kevin. 😎

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Dick Dastardly
1 year 90 days ago (Last edited by Dick Dastardly 1 year 90 days ago)

Malcolm

Kevin

Hello Malcolm.

This is the second time you've started a new thread recently highlighting hard tyres, the other was 12 days ago... Tyres - What's going on?

You say above that it makes no sense whatsoever for hard tyres to be competitive at low temperatures but it does make sense if you think about it.

The league in which you compete have tyre rules enabled so everyone HAS to use two compounds. The two circuits that have prompted you to post on the forum are Italy and China. Both of these have high speed straights which makes it easier to get temperature into the tyres and these two circuits have the biggest time loss of any circuit for a pit stop which incentivises people to do fewer pit stops, even if it means selecting a slower compound.

So IMO tyres don't need to be sorted ASAP, it's simply a case of choosing the best strategy for the race taking into account the many factors that are influential (race distance / tyre rules on-off / refuelling rules on-off / pit loss / tyre wear / temperature / other teams strategy etc.).

Edit:
Out of interest I was just reading your league wall and see that you are still trying to use Hard tyres as a penalty to handicap the top three managers. This worked before the tyre update in August last year, I'm surprised that nobody in your league has picked up on ther fact that in some scenarios forcing people to run the Hards is not a penalty.
Your current poll is for the top three teams to be forced to start on SS. At some circuits this will also be a benefit rather than a handicap. Depending on conditions and circuit all tyres compounds are now useable.
If you really want to handicap people then you should insist that full wets are used for the first stint in dry races and a dry compound in a wet race. This would see the top managers qualifying at the back and force them into making an extra pit stop.

Rules & Regulations state a clear difference between all four dry tyres at different temperatures. Many others agree that this is simply not the case anymore. Maybe the rules & regs need re-writing? What we seems to have now is, SS 4 or 5 laps, S 7 or 8 laps, M (pushed) 9 or 10 laps and H (pushed) 11 or 12 laps. We've gone from Softs being utterly dominant to choose hards and mediums and one stop... in any temp. Just make sure you're fuelled up to push. Maybe you're right, and this is absolutely fine. But to a a lot of us we've lost the joy of tyre selection and gambling on the back of temps and distance. All that really needed to change was Hards being given a slighlty bigger operating temp, and Softs going off a bit sooner to make them less dominant.

I will pass on your recommendations on using wet tyres as a penalty to the group.

Thank you for replying, I know I sound a bit irate but I genuinely love this game. And I'm not the only one that feels the same. Thank you Kevin. 😎

Sorry Malcolm , but if tyres are lasting for you as little as you say above then you must be doing something wrong. What’s more likely I suspect is that you are choosing the extreme example for each tyre and trying to say that is the norm when it isn’t. Even at 50% you should be able to use the softer compounds for longer than stated, but to say that Hards are the dominant tyre is wrong.

Adding artificial rules making the stronger managers to use Hards at the start is just perpetuating this myth since several managers demonstrated in one of your earlier threads that the stronger managers in your league have better car development and know how to maximise the generation of dp pts. More dp pts equals a faster car.

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Wholly Crap
1 year 90 days ago (Last edited by Wholly Crap 1 year 90 days ago)

People seem to compare what's happening in their league only. If players are winning on hard tyres doesn't mean they will in another league. I use them twice a season in 2 tracks to suit my strategy.

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John Doe
1 year 87 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 1 year 87 days ago)

Kevin

Hello Malcolm.

This is the second time you've started a new thread recently highlighting hard tyres, the other was 12 days ago... Tyres - What's going on?

You say above that it makes no sense whatsoever for hard tyres to be competitive at low temperatures but it does make sense if you think about it.

The league in which you compete have tyre rules enabled so everyone HAS to use two compounds. The two circuits that have prompted you to post on the forum are Italy and China. Both of these have high speed straights which makes it easier to get temperature into the tyres and these two circuits have the biggest time loss of any circuit for a pit stop which incentivises people to do fewer pit stops, even if it means selecting a slower compound.

So IMO tyres don't need to be sorted ASAP, it's simply a case of choosing the best strategy for the race taking into account the many factors that are influential (race distance / tyre rules on-off / refuelling rules on-off / pit loss / tyre wear / temperature / other teams strategy etc.).

Edit:
Out of interest I was just reading your league wall and see that you are still trying to use Hard tyres as a penalty to handicap the top three managers. This worked before the tyre update in August last year, I'm surprised that nobody in your league has picked up on ther fact that in some scenarios forcing people to run the Hards is not a penalty.
Your current poll is for the top three teams to be forced to start on SS. At some circuits this will also be a benefit rather than a handicap. Depending on conditions and circuit all tyres compounds are now useable.
If you really want to handicap people then you should insist that full wets are used for the first stint in dry races and a dry compound in a wet race. This would see the top managers qualifying at the back and force them into making an extra pit stop.

Kevin, you are right but there is an addition: this league is 50%. Tyre wear for Ss in 50% is almost ridiculous in almost all circuit (worst in 25%). Ss are good only in few circuits (Hungary, Monaco..).

I have already suggested to correct wear compensation in the past for 25% and 50%. 2 pit stop in 25% and 3-4 in 50% are not so funny...don't you think?
Actually strategy are very limited.

However, we will waiting UPDATE: maybe, it could be different ;-)

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Malcolm Middleton
1 year 86 days ago (Last edited by Malcolm Middleton 1 year 86 days ago)

Simone

Kevin

Hello Malcolm.

This is the second time you've started a new thread recently highlighting hard tyres, the other was 12 days ago... Tyres - What's going on?

You say above that it makes no sense whatsoever for hard tyres to be competitive at low temperatures but it does make sense if you think about it.

The league in which you compete have tyre rules enabled so everyone HAS to use two compounds. The two circuits that have prompted you to post on the forum are Italy and China. Both of these have high speed straights which makes it easier to get temperature into the tyres and these two circuits have the biggest time loss of any circuit for a pit stop which incentivises people to do fewer pit stops, even if it means selecting a slower compound.

So IMO tyres don't need to be sorted ASAP, it's simply a case of choosing the best strategy for the race taking into account the many factors that are influential (race distance / tyre rules on-off / refuelling rules on-off / pit loss / tyre wear / temperature / other teams strategy etc.).

Edit:
Out of interest I was just reading your league wall and see that you are still trying to use Hard tyres as a penalty to handicap the top three managers. This worked before the tyre update in August last year, I'm surprised that nobody in your league has picked up on ther fact that in some scenarios forcing people to run the Hards is not a penalty.
Your current poll is for the top three teams to be forced to start on SS. At some circuits this will also be a benefit rather than a handicap. Depending on conditions and circuit all tyres compounds are now useable.
If you really want to handicap people then you should insist that full wets are used for the first stint in dry races and a dry compound in a wet race. This would see the top managers qualifying at the back and force them into making an extra pit stop.

Kevin, you are right but there is an addition: this league is 50%. Tyre wear for Ss in 50% is almost ridiculous in almost all circuit (worst in 25%). Ss are good only in few circuits (Hungary, Monaco..).

I have already suggested to correct wear compensation in the past for 25% and 50%. 2 pit stop in 25% and 3-4 in 50% are not so funny...don't you think?
Actually strategy are very limited.

However, we will waiting UPDATE: maybe, it could be different ;-)

Just to add to the conversation we've just had our first race of the season it Italy and it's produced very little difference in lap times between S M & H but what's really noticeable is that tyre wear seems to follow the same formula wherever we race... (meaning 50% wear) SS 5/6 laps, S 7/8, M 9/10 and H 11/12. I'm not saying this is right or wrong but what an amazing turnaround from how tyres used to be. I guess we have just got to give it time to get used to. Interesting though.

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