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Engine manufacturer cost

Hi everyone! When you are an engine manufacturer, you have a cost, said 750k.

Is that 750k per engine, meaning if you have two cars is 1.5M, if I provide for my cars and another one is 3M? Or is that per race, doesn't matter how many cars?

And directly linked with that question, when I have a customer, I can set the price between 500k and 1M. Is that, again, per engine or per race?

Asking because I don't know if the estimated profit/loss in the Supply tab is bugged or something I really don't understand since if I set to my customer a price of 500k, I have a loss of 650k per race. 
While if I set the price to 1M, I have a loss of 550k per race, meaning that increasing 500K the price I reduce my loss only by 150k, which doesn't make any sense.

Can anyone provide some insight here? Thanks

I would like to see an answer to this as well.  I supply 4 teams yet I am losing 450k per race by doing so and if I set it to 1m I would still be losing 150k per race which is ridiculous.  Also no where in my financial transaction history can I find any evidence of incoming payments from customers.  I beginning to feel like customised engine supply hasn’t been tested or set up properly.

1.  As no money is ever recorded in our transaction history something is very wrong 2.  If you say that Jack’s blog explanation is correct and the outcome is as expected then something is still very wrong since it is impossible to use customised engines and supply to other managers without making a financial loss!  There is no record of any income received from customers in my transaction history only the costs so every day I am losing 450k from being an engine supplier.  If I increase this to 1m a customer I still lose money.  This needs to be referred to the devs/Jack as clearly it cannot continue like this.  3.  We can’t even get out of this crazy situation which will force more managers to quit the game!

There is some foul logic in the formula.
It states something like the cost of developing the engine is 750k fixed, then whatever price you sell it, that's the cost of your engine + 20%. That doesn't make sense at all.

If my car engine costs 100k to fabricate and I charge my customer 120k, I am getting a 20% benefit. If I charge 200k, I am getting a 100% benefit.

Right now what we are doing is: 
If I charge 500k to my customer, my engine costs 400k and I am getting 100k.
If I charge 1M, suddenly my engine costs 800k, hence getting 200k of benefit.

The price of fabrication doubles up for no reason. Is not a case where the provider is getting more money, nor the customer getting more value for their buck. It's just how much money do we choose that will evaporate.

Thanks Craig I am aware of that.  The point I’m making is I lose on every engine I supply elsewhere as well so there is no incentive to supply anyone.  If this is how it’s meant to be then I will cancel those contracts as there is no evidence of any revenue coming into my account from those customers.  Even if I charged a million an engine I would still lose money.

The cost of developing your own engine is 750k per race.
If you charge 500k to your customer, after costs, taxes etc 100k remains as profit. If you charge 1m to your customer, after costs taxes etc 200k remains as profit

So you supply yourself plus 3 other customers, your cost is 750 k per race, you charge 500k so your profit is 300 k per race, that explains you lose 450 k per race

It becomes profitable at manager level 24 with 5 customers (yourself plus 4 customers) and 1m pricetag 

I’m sorry Antonio, but your explanation just illustrates (assuming it is correct) just illustrates how screwed up this addition to the game is.  I will be cancelling my customers contracts immediately and if igGPManager don’t have the common sense to change how this works deleting all my accounts.  It’s ludricrous that increasing engine price increases costs!

Well it’s pretty realistic imo, you charge higher price, you need more marketing, pay for better staff, pay more taxes, … 

In this game you just receive a steady 20% profit margin.

I’d be sorry to see anyone leave the game because of this (it’s not even a bug, common)

Dick is right. What sense does it make to sell your own motors at a loss? We're talking about motors that are, supposedly, superior to those offered by default. Otherwise, why take the $100 Mil/10 token plunge? Why even make it an option to sell motors? It's senseless and needs more thought.

Sorry Frank, but if you think that making a loss is profit then just lol.  Supplying multiple engines should benefit from economies of scale resulting in a bigger profit.  However, with the way this works it’s always a loss regardless of the price set.  I can just imagine Toto Wolff telling board “don’t worry lads we’ll keep losing money by supplying other teams, but hey that’s profit in my book”

Stock engine costs 350 to 500k so you’ll always be at a loss for engines.


When you supply engines and make a loss of 200k per race, it’s more profitable (even if still a loss) then stock engines.

Sorry, but it doesn't make sense that you "always" get a 20% profit. If you increase your price, you are not paying for more marketing or more bullshit. You are increasing the selling price, period. And somehow, you are increasing the manufacturing cost, which suddenly evaporates (the money, I mean).

Margin of profit is what you should be able to control.

Sell at a loss for whatever reason or sell stupidly expensive to great profit. If your customers are happy overpaying (Apple model, basically), your win, their win.

A more sensible approach, probably, should be:

• Fixed cost of developing the engine on each race (for instance, 300k) or variable depending on the number of engine points you have


• Fixed cost of producing each engine (for instance, 100k per engine).


• Control the margin of profit OR the total fixed price of each engine.

This way, if you are only providing for yourself, you end up paying up, if you have 2 cars, 500k (same than the default providers), and if you have customers, can charge whatever you want.

If you charge, let's say, 350k per engine to your customer, that means that they are paying for their engines and yours. That's a pro of having a customer. They can also decide that for that price they can become a manufacturer themselves, so that's a risk.


I mean, this is the first iteration of a new system. I am not saying is terrible, I am saying I see room for improvement and that part of the logic is a bit "meh".

Right now the system is: You pay 750 for developing the engine and building 1 or 2 engines, depending on the league. And then, somehow, building those engines for your customers cost between 200k and 400k EACH engine (at which point, building two engines for them is somehow more expensive than building two engines + developing it for you). This is just not logic.

I am not trying to find a "fair" model, as life is not fair, but a logic one. And the actual one lacks logic.