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Level 30 Engine - a con?

So I finally reach Level 30 engines and there is no option to change the weakness to Reliability or Cooling, there are only 5 other options, all attributes I do not want to lose.
Is this a bug or has this been a huge con?

What you see is what you get mate. Hard grind for nothing or worse than nothing as your research is so bad ?.

Thr announcement post for the L30 update stated that;




So while many players may have assumed they could choose Cooling/Reliability, it doesn't appear to have been stated publicly.

I guess it would be annoying if you assumed you would be able to, but I guess it's still an advantage and the Developers are within their rights (for better or worse) to make the game as they choose.

P.S I agree higher levels are underpowered and need rebalancing, especially in regards to the research...

They may not have stated it outrightly but it was implied or no one in their right minds would grind to L30.


I also disagree it's an advantage as it's not. You'd still need to spend dp into whatever weakness you choose, same as you would any other engine level.

They are, and if this was their intention they should have stated something like “Engine manufacturers will be able to change weakness at Experience level 30. (Note not all attributes will be available”).  Even if not intentional the current description is highly misleading and on the basis of this I believe many would have good grounds for a refund.

The advantage given is clearly reduced from what it could be. I've noticed two things though - firstly that this is probably better for shifting the balance of the game away from P2W (buy XP boosters, get +15 DP for free on every account you own!), and secondly that the advantage (because I believe it gives one) it provides could still be useful - in Project Zero recently (100%, Offline, NRF for those who don't know) I've been running a +26 FE/ -13 TE engine with no mitigation and took great success early in the season with little TE.

If I were able to set the engine to +(x) Acc/-(x) TE Instead it would allow me to change my development plan and open up new research areas.
Of course, to get that development research benefit I'd have to be running the L30 engine on a lower level (say, 22-26) account, which is a clear issue of its own... The main drawback of a level 30 engine is being level 30 ?

TL;DR - This way has its benefits and while I'd also be campaigning for a larger advantage if I were L30, I can understand why Devs have taken this path. Equally, maybe people disagree with me :D

Have to disagree with you my friend. Level 30 is not nice unless you have a bunch of spare accounts at level 24 ish, which you can’t because one musnt farm. So that’s a catch 22. The real benefit of choosing engine weakness is not there, you have to spend into your weakness as Archie said plus research is very low

So pls tackle this, level 30 has to have its benefits, otherwise as mo said it will look like a scam because the announcement was not complete/ misleading (as d1ck pointed out)

All in all, it comes down to this: what does the studio want? Cause right now, it’s not clear, they created a paying advantage which actually only is an advantage for farm accounts (which they decided is against the rules), so do they want managers to spend or not, it’s a mixed message now.

They can move away from p2w if they want but right now it’s a mess

For sure, L30 (and 29, 28, 27...) are too weak and IMO that needs fixing. I just don't think (maybe my argument has been a little unclear so far) that the engines themselves are the problem/solution. Personally I'd advocate for rebalancing the research given- 10% is kinda a joke- leaving the engines as a decent, but not OP, perk.

You seem to miss the point. It's not just about the engines! It's about the vague or outright lack of communication. Those that got to L30, either through months of long hard grind or boosting wouldn't have wasted their time for something that makes them worse off when something different was expected.


You keep saying perk. What perk exactly?

That I can Te weakness? Does it still not affect in some races? You can't 4 stops Monaco 100% in a 15 races calender.

Unless you are on a drs mighty track (very few), drs tech isn't so different from a level 24 and boost is neligible.

So again I ask, what perk? The perk of being progressively worse off as you level up?

Let's try not to support what's not right.

Thank you all for your great responses, yes the research at level 29 was awful never mind at level 30 10%!! eek
After 10 races last season (57 points clear) I was losing 5 design points per race to level 26 racers and lost the title easily.

The engine statement about setting weaknesses was misleading.

Such an anti-climax reaching level 30 to be smacked in the face, my motivation to play this game anymore is low.

Many people I know are at this stage for various reasons. A lot of us still playing solely do so due to the community and not the game in itself. Maybe try that approach? Get into some Discord servers, have a few laughs ?.

but I imagine that you have spent some money to get immediately to Liv 30? x info about how much we talk? I too would like to get to Lv 30 soon

I've been wanting reliability and cooling fixed ever since the current iteration of iGP came out in 2016, and I suspect it was broken in the original iteration from 2011/2012.

I agree that this is what we were all expecting to do at level 30 engine tuning.

If reliability and cooling do ever get addressed and become functional, this will further reduce the benefit of changing the weakness.

Whatever type of announcement is made (advertising or not) it must be specified what I can and what I can't do!!! When the new levels update was published in the custom engines section it was clearly written that at level 30 I can change my weakness (as it is not specified which weakness is intended to apply to all) just a little clarity in the message was enough to avoid yet another circus figure….

You can't immediately get to level 30, you can boost your daily race XP x2 (for £0.25p a race) 

watch 3 adverts a day to get 30 XP
Login 3 days for 60 guaranteed XP and on the 4th day don't login (so it equals 15 XP per day for 4 days) and it resets back to day 1.

You could still at least TRY to setup in some other league where you have parked yourself in. And maybe find some motivation, there.

I haven't invested in the engine development yet but this is confusing and I sympathise to Al Mo because it doesn't make sense, your purchasing xp boosts to gain that final advantage instead you are losing research power at each level, investing in engine dev itself and unable to select the weakness to make it worthwhile...

I've been purchasing the double xp but now I feel a bit silly. I'll accept there is a performance difference with boost across the levels but definitely not with DRS.

Maybe we create a level 30 only league? That way we’ll at the very least all have the same disadvantages ?

I think that we have about 10 managers at l30 so it would be a bad idea but who is going to tell each one individually and at the of the day they might not join. So far I have only seen 2 but surely there are more

5 points of difference in reasearch... but you have 4 points to add more than level 26.... so the difference should not be so big.


With level 30, it was clear for me that  car development should be different than now...but probably, it was not clear for all players..