Embarrassing update

Good afternoon, I just saw the update implemented yesterday, and I come to complain about the following point: "Fixed customers of engine manufacturers inheriting the custom weakness attribute set by the manufacturer at any given circuit. This was never the intended behavior . Customers were supposed to receive the default weakness and not the custom one."

I have been searching the blog uploaded on Feb 3, 2023 by Jack Basford and at NO point have I read the point that has been updated. Nor in any of the change logs, until yesterday's... I imagine that the desired benefits were not obtained, and it has been decided to change on the fly, regardless of the possible consequences...

If this point had been mentioned from the beginning, many of us would have made our biker accounts, since it is a great advantage over the rest... Now the levels 30, who have paid for the XP Booster since it was implemented, will be the ones who have an advantage, the "Pay to Win" that they do not want to recognize...

But what seems SHAMEFUL to me, is from one day to the next and with the simple excuse of "Clients were supposed to receive the default weakness and not the personalized one", changing that and not warning or communicating anything, something that WAS NOT ANNOUNCED .

Just as I am here to help improve the game, I am also here to criticize, since I have invested money in it for a long time, and I see that with each update that is introduced, the desire to continue playing is removed, and that it continues forward for each community that each league has created, not because of the game itself...

All the best

I agree with what it said here, the fact the public weren't given any indication that the engine weakness system would be changed is a decision I find hard to understand, in some cases ruining a users plan for the seasons car

yes first they screwed/conned everyone who reached level 30 by not allowing them to change engine weakness to cooling or reliability and now they have screwed me and others that are supplied by level 30 engines.
Now I have gained 15 pretty useless Tyre Eco points and lost 15 important Braking points.
This has never been mentioned as a proposed change and I agree with J F and Oli, embarrassing.

At the time of the engine manufacturer update I carefully read the blog, and made a judgement not to become one. I actually enjoy being a customer rather than a supplier, it makes it more interesting to negotiate and change supplier and rewarding when you find a good one. Also, it makes you more careful when applying the Dev points. This update hurts to be honest, I don't think this was ever part of the 'spirit of a management game to find out for yourself' kind of knowledge that would have been useful to know. This feels more like a huge oversight not to fairly mention it to players who shied away from the warnings of the permanent switch to being an engine supplier. I can remember the uproar caused in the forums at 10 tokens being added rather than subtracted by an innocent error in the calculation in the early days of players becoming manufacturers... 10 tokens. As of this update I'm now 10 months worth of development behind.

Well,

First of all, thank you for spoiling the research for me and other colleagues with the season already started, it has been very funny.

Once again you have not thought about the communities, which are what keep PGI afloat. Such a change should have been announced in good time for the managers to get going and become a supplier  and not to spoil the investigation during the season.

"We're not going to let you put weaknesses in cooling or reliability so that the levels 30 and their customers don't have a great advantage" Great, after announcing that we could put those weaknesses in place, it is decided that not, okay, no problem. Now the 30 levels can have the great advantage of not losing points in the BIG4, putting the weakness in TE but their customers do not. You're giving a huge advantage to level 30 (who won't be even 10% of all IGP managers) when you're supposed to want to avoid giving "a big advantage"... very coherent.

Now no one is interested in being a customer of a level 30 engine and paying 1M, which will cause everyone to put on their engine even if it is level 28 and which will cause all suppliers to have no customers to lose more and more money every race, added to the mechanics, etc a ruin... 

I understand that the purpose is to buy tokens, as a company you want to to make money, but I personally start to get tired of being taken for a fool and always coming with false promises, with absurd excuses and a long etc. I prefer that you announce changes and be clear and sincere and say that it is for people to spend money,  It's okay,  most communities already know about it, it's nothing to be ashamed of but at least we wouldn't feel deceived continuously. 

It would have been the same for you to announce this change now and apply it in a month's , so that the current seasons end and so we would not have been affected by the research, because we feel that we have wasted time once again. I think you have to think a little bit more about the communities that are in iGP

I hope you don't take this as an offense or disrespect, but as constructive criticism for the future. Just as you help us when you can, we also help in our own way but that doesn't mean we can't complain if we don't see something as right, good, normal or put whatever word you want there

Best regards 

I get the moan about it not being communicated first, but that's pretty minor, it will have a slight impact on 1 seasons development, not the end of the world.
Regarding how it affects the game, I think it's a good thing. Suppliers should have a slight advantage over customers and this is what it does. 
I also don't think being level 30 is that much of a advantage. The research for the top level accounts needs tweaking as they fall massively behind in car development over a season. 

I think you have misunderstood the main problem, there are people who are now half a year behind on their accounts respect suppliers  because they preferred to be customers. Nowhere said that customers would have a worse engine than suppliers, because if that were announced at the time, I'm sure that everyone would have become suppliers and not that now they have to create their own engine from zero. 


I'm not saying that the idea is bad, I'm saying that the timing and the forms are not right and above all that it's not what was announced at the time. It's okay that people want to change their minds and do something different , but not like this, without announcing and without having time to react.


The research of a level 30 to a level 25/26 is notorious but between a level 30 and a level 28 or 29 is not significant, so you are giving a huge advantage to level 30 over a level 28 or 29. They didn't want to let them put weakness in cooling or reliability at a level 30 so they didn't have a big dvantage, and now they give them this great advantage over the higher levels.

All levels 30 are level 30 for having bought the booster, in this way you are rewarding spending money, a pay2win. The funny thing is that someone who has been playing for many years and has spent a lot of money back in the day to quickly raise their accounts to level 20 for example, but who has not bought a booster now to became faster level 30, has not obtained any benefit compared to the rest and now levels 30 do. And I repeat, all this without announcement and without warning.

You don't have to think about yourself, you have to think about all the managers of the game, your league, your community, etc. and for the vast majority this has been unsatisfactory

I think it’s totally logical that customised engines should be superior for manufacturers rather than customers.  Unless I misunderstood your comments you want all of the benefits of a customised engine without developing it yourself and are now unhappy that changes have been made which of course is your choice.  However, all choices in a strategy game should have consequences some good and some bad (remember initial manufactured engines are inferior to the stock engines in the game until they are developed).  What’s unfair imo is that you have the choice to change whereas a manufacturer does not.

Most games nerf & buff aspects on an ongoing basis and not sure you should expect prior notice.

It's easy to understand what I'm saying, They said months ago that customers would have the supplier's engine, so that's what I want, the complete engine not only one part. It's not what I want, it's what they said. That now they want something else? it's fine, but let it be announced, just like other things are announced, so that managers have time to react. Just as any kind of update is announced for months, a change of this magnitude should also be announced in time. 

What they actually said was you can supply engines to customers.  No details were provided of what this meant so it’s open to interpretation just as in the same way they said that lvl 30 manufacturers could change the weakness of engine without explaining this in full.  Neither situation is great but you have to make choices at the time knowing full well it’s a game and things might change in the future.  Personally, I don’t understand why anyone would become a customer unless it was from another of their accounts as you have no control over how the attributes are set.  As someone who supplies engines it also annoys me that is done at a loss and the more customers you supply the more money you lose.  That’s why I stopped supplying to other players.

An unnecessary change. 

You are now forcing level 30s to become engine manufacturers.

As respect for your player base, this should of been communicated that this change would be occurring at a later date or with the addition of the chassis update and not implemented in a hotfix.

The way i understand the mechanics, once you become a manufacturer you're forced to dogfood your own engine forever - which seems to be the main problem behind this change as clients planning for the endgame now have to become manufacturers at a significant disadvantage until they can get their engines developed.

Can't this be mitigated by allowing a manufacturer to not use their engines while developing their own? Even if this leads to much slower development speeds at a significantly higher cost, this should be an available option.