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medal 4617
73 days ago
I think that the softs is the best tyre to use in general but there is a one broken thing about this tyre that makes it even better and that is the ability of the tyre in wet weather cause when I tried setups in Barcelona (0.5 mm rainfall) and the super softs did a 38.1, softs did a 38.8, mediums did a 45.2 and lastly hards did a 48.1. This means the the softs were on par with the supers as if it were in a dry practice and is over 6 seconds faster than the mediums which is mental. I also think that the soft tyres should be nerfed in terms of tyre degradation as it the tyre only lasts slightly less than the medium (it’s roughly goes 2 less laps than the mediums who does a 10 lap stint). I suggest that the tyre deg should increase by about 5 to 10% per lap to make the other compounds more appealing to choose.
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medal 5839
73 days ago
Captain
I think that the softs is the best tyre to use in general but there is a one broken thing about this tyre that makes it even better and that is the ability of the tyre in wet weather cause when I tried setups in Barcelona (0.5 mm rainfall) and the super softs did a 38.1, softs did a 38.8, mediums did a 45.2 and lastly hards did a 48.1. This means the the softs were on par with the supers as if it were in a dry practice and is over 6 seconds faster than the mediums which is mental. I also think that the soft tyres should be nerfed in terms of tyre degradation as it the tyre only lasts slightly less than the medium (it’s roughly goes 2 less laps than the mediums who does a 10 lap stint). I suggest that the tyre deg should increase by about 5 to 10% per lap to make the other compounds more appealing to choose.



I know,i said in a thread about the ss too,i think the faster compounds are a bit too fast.In no refuelling leagues i think it's a bit better and you see the m and the h sometimes,but in refuelling leagues,the m and h are so slow,if you have the same fuel lvl as a ss stint or  s stint,this 2 faster compunds are still 2s faster(SS)/1.2s(S) per lap vs M and vs a hard tyre they can be 3s faster per lap.And i think the s and the ss have another problem,the temperatures.I say again,in no refuelling leagues is a bit better,but in leagues with refuelling even inBahrain or Abu Dhabi where the temperatures are 40C the ss and s are still working somehow,even at that temperatures is better to do a strategy only with ss and s than M and H because the ss on lvl 1 pushing are still under the red(temperature i mean),i know is lvl 1 ,but are 40C,how are not overheating,and if you have M the tyre temperature will be the same as it is with the ss(lvl 1 pushing too).I don't think to make the tyre wear higher will be a good idea,i think the lap times to be slower,like the ss to be only 1s faster than M,and 1.5s vs H and S to be 0.5 faster than M and 1s vs H
The ss and s tyres are the only tyres used in races,i don't see them only in Monza
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medal 5410
73 days ago
Ok, I’ll bite: I call bullcrap boys, both of you. 
Why would you run dry compound in wet conditions? Try inters on 0,5 mm water and your softs will prove to be slower. Why even bother which dry compound is faster?

I run in refuelling leagues and all compounds are used (which is better then before). And Bogdan, you can’t rule out the fact that harder compound degrade slower, so the time lost in race pace is made up by having less time lost in pitstraight
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medal 5839
73 days ago

Slo
Ok, I’ll bite: I call bullcrap boys, both of you. 
Why would you run dry compound in wet conditions? Try inters on 0,5 mm water and your softs will prove to be slower. Why even bother which dry compound is faster?

I run in refuelling leagues and all compounds are used (which is better then before). And Bogdan, you can’t rule out the fact that harder compound degrade slower, so the time lost in race pace is made up by having less time lost in pitstraight


If will be like that i will be very happy but you are just so slowe with more fuel and a slower tyre,this can be confirmed on a battle ss vs m,if you use 2 ss tyres you lose the time in the pits,but somehow after because the tyres are so fast you will still be ahead of someone who didn't pit but was on a slower tyre
And i was saying in the dry,i know from 0.2mm is better to use inters,but there can be situations like rained before the race,and until the start will dry up,and you try the slicks to see the tyre wear to know what strategy to do

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medal 5000 Super Mod
73 days ago
Bogdan

The ss and s tyres are the only tyres used in races,i don't see them only in Monza

You make statements which are factually incorrect and will mislead newer gamers who read this forum for advice. The above is simply not true. Out of interest I just checked the winning strategy in Elite tier for every race in your league this season.

You have completed 12 races and in only two of these did the winner run only SS and Soft, Canada and Hungary.
I didn't check your strategies, if you are indeed only using SS and Softs maybe this would explain why you're currently lying 9th in the championship on 32 points when the leader has 237.

In response to the OP, a lot of very experienced racers spent many hours testing at various race lengths to get the balance and wear/speed characteristics that we now have. Probably the best balance since the 3D update dropped with multiple strategies capable of winning a race. 
At the moment there are more important thigs to do than have yet another series of tests to change tyre balance when there's little wrong with what we have.
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medal 5839
73 days ago (Last edited by Bogdan Fulga 73 days ago)
Kevin
Bogdan

The ss and s tyres are the only tyres used in races,i don't see them only in Monza

You make statements which are factually incorrect and will mislead newer gamers who read this forum for advice. The above is simply not true. Out of interest I just checked the winning strategy in Elite tier for every race in your league this season.

You have completed 12 races and in only two of these did the winner run only SS and Soft, Canada and Hungary.
I didn't check your strategies, if you are indeed only using SS and Softs maybe this would explain why you're currently lying 9th in the championship on 32 points when the leader has 237.

In response to the OP, a lot of very experienced racers spent many hours testing at various race lengths to get the balance and wear/speed characteristics that we now have. Probably the best balance since the 3D update dropped with multiple strategies capable of winning a race. 
At the moment there are more important thigs to do than have yet another series of tests to change tyre balance when there's little wrong with what we have.



Yes,i know,the races were not won with only s and ss,but look at what everyone is doing,in our league only Paddy,Larry and Charles have the pace for IT,have the pace on M and H,but look at  drivers that are p4-p10,we use the ss and s strategy,because our drivers probably are not that good as the top 3 has,we,the managers from p4 to p10 don't have the pace on M and H,idk exactly why it happens,but probably because of the drivers,because on s and ss we have the same pace as the top 3 but ob M and H we are 0.5 slower per lap,can someone explain me why that happens?
Or if we try to use the M or H too we will jus be sooooooooo slow
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medal 5410
73 days ago

Bogdan

Slo
Ok, I’ll bite: I call bullcrap boys, both of you. 
Why would you run dry compound in wet conditions? Try inters on 0,5 mm water and your softs will prove to be slower. Why even bother which dry compound is faster?

I run in refuelling leagues and all compounds are used (which is better then before). And Bogdan, you can’t rule out the fact that harder compound degrade slower, so the time lost in race pace is made up by having less time lost in pitstraight


If will be like that i will be very happy but you are just so slowe with more fuel and a slower tyre,this can be confirmed on a battle ss vs m,if you use 2 ss tyres you lose the time in the pits,but somehow after because the tyres are so fast you will still be ahead of someone who didn't pit but was on a slower tyre
And i was saying in the dry,i know from 0.2mm is better to use inters,but there can be situations like rained before the race,and until the start will dry up,and you try the slicks to see the tyre wear to know what strategy to do



The 0.5mm stuff was in reply to the original post, not referring to your reply.


The level difference in elite can be huge between lower level and level 30’s, that is a fact. And maybe at lower level it’s a very safe strategy to always run supers and softs but the reason why these would be faster is not because of tyres.

The reason would be drs. If you’ve a strong drs buddy, both on an alternate strategy, you should also be able to use meds and hard tyre and finish ahead of the other lower level guys.

But that takes guts and it’s a risk. Up to you to decide at what point you want to risk it. If not, be prepared to finish 4th in every race till the end of time
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medal 5000 Super Mod
73 days ago
Bogdan.

You are Level 27 so should be able to score points, even against L30 opposition. The person currently lying second in your league is Level 25 and is only 9 points behind the leader who is Level 30.

Your CD (if it is the only one you have) with an Acceleration weakness will be doing you no favours, although by this late in the season well planned research and development should have mostly overcome the early season handicap.

Most enlightening is your choice of strategy. You compete in a league that runs 100% race distance and allows refuelling. As an example, yesterday in Hungary you chose to run a 1 stop strategy 34 laps Medium then 42 laps Hard. You finished 3 laps down, the top 2 cars running 6 stop strategies using SS and Soft.

If you think this is evidence that the Medium and Hard tyres are unusable or your drivers are too slow then my advice would be to start analysing what others are doing before posting here that the tyres are poorly balanced.
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medal 5839
73 days ago (Last edited by Bogdan Fulga 73 days ago)
Kevin
Bogdan.

You are Level 27 so should be able to score points, even against L30 opposition. The person currently lying second in your league is Level 25 and is only 9 points behind the leader who is Level 30.

Your CD (if it is the only one you have) with an Acceleration weakness will be doing you no favours, although by this late in the season well planned research and development should have mostly overcome the early season handicap.

Most enlightening is your choice of strategy. You compete in a league that runs 100% race distance and allows refuelling. As an example, yesterday in Hungary you chose to run a 1 stop strategy 34 laps Medium then 42 laps Hard. You finished 3 laps down, the top 2 cars running 6 stop strategies using SS and Soft.

If you think this is evidence that the Medium and Hard tyres are unusable or your drivers are too slow then my advice would be to start analysing what others are doing before posting here that the tyres are poorly balanced.



Ignore my last strategy,it wasn't planned to be like that,but because i know i had no chance to do anything i wanted to try something different,please just ignore my last strategy,just look at other races where i had the same strategy with the leaders but i was 50s behind.
It's a long story behind the one stop i did last race,and if you have the posibility to watch the chat in live races,just look at it,is a very long story,just ignore my last strategy.Look at the strategies i had before that race.If you look at the times in practice,i was slow,i think if i had the normal strategy i do in hungary,many ss tyres and s i was finishing 10th,so with one point without one point.

No,but i just say no sense to use the m and the h and for you are not working,that happens for me when i did in Abu Dhabi a M M M not this season,i think 2 seasones ago,and i was so slow,and that's why an example in abu dhabi now i do a M M M M S,because the H tyres are so slow for me,and the m tyres are working because of the high temperatures,not because are a good race tyre.

And about the ss i can say many tracks where are the best tyre,like in Spa,2 ss,better than 1 M,in Europe,if you don't have the tyre rule,just ss,or if you have you do a 7 pit with final stint s,in hungary is working too,in canada,in germany,in australia,if is not very hot can work in azerdbaijan too,in monaco,in singapore can work too  like,there is half calendar where M are not the best and the H are not used

And if you want a M tyre to have a good pace ,in refuelling leagues,you have to underfuel and do less laps on m because the fuel will slow you up so much.The tyre has a very bad pace when it is under 50% life,but with the m and h you can't do that,like,is better to do a ss ss ss ,than a normal hard tyre(idk,let's say 20 laps life for the hard and 8 for the ss),i think that tyre life is in hockenheim,not sure,isn't it?,don't remember)

More exactly why will you try to do a strategy with less pit stops,when you know you will lose 1s per lap vs a strategy with more pit stops,and because the faster tyres are so fast,they will have a free pit vs you
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medal 5246 Super Mod
73 days ago
Bogdan there's a lot of very strong, very experienced managers here telling you that SS and S are not the only answer.

Now you may have a bit of a point at 100% about the tyre / fuel combination being difficult. At 75% racing the rule of thumb is to try stick as close to 30L of fuel as possible. But this is easily enough to use mediums or even hards competitively.

Where might you use the harder tyres despite them being potentially a second a lap slower? How about tracks with very long pit lanes. Austria is about 27 seconds. China and Italy are also very long pit lanes. These are all tracks where I wouid expect to see mediums come out to play, and for people starting on super softs and making an extra stop to really struggle. Regardless of their level.

Other tracks I would generally use mediums over softs in the summer: GB19, Abu Dhabi, Australia, Malaysia.

It's true that H is not used much in refuelling. But it can still work in the right circumstances. So I understand how you feel, but how can I agree with you when I am literally winning races in refuelling using all tyre compounds. In fact in a league I race in SS are almost viewed as a very bad tyre. This is because you get overcut if you go for the same strategy, and if you try to go +1 pit stop the league is highly populated and no matter how fast you may be its very difficult to overtake 20 cars on track with tyre pace alone.
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medal 5839
73 days ago
Red
Bogdan there's a lot of very strong, very experienced managers here telling you that SS and S are not the only answer.

Now you may have a bit of a point at 100% about the tyre / fuel combination being difficult. At 75% racing the rule of thumb is to try stick as close to 30L of fuel as possible. But this is easily enough to use mediums or even hards competitively.

Where might you use the harder tyres despite them being potentially a second a lap slower? How about tracks with very long pit lanes. Austria is about 27 seconds. China and Italy are also very long pit lanes. These are all tracks where I wouid expect to see mediums come out to play, and for people starting on super softs and making an extra stop to really struggle. Regardless of their level.

Other tracks I would generally use mediums over softs in the summer: GB19, Abu Dhabi, Australia, Malaysia.

It's true that H is not used much in refuelling. But it can still work in the right circumstances. So I understand how you feel, but how can I agree with you when I am literally winning races in refuelling using all tyre compounds. In fact in a league I race in SS are almost viewed as a very bad tyre. This is because you get overcut if you go for the same strategy, and if you try to go +1 pit stop the league is highly populated and no matter how fast you may be its very difficult to overtake 20 cars on track with tyre pace alone.



But does the driver makes any difference if he has higher experience?Because,i'm not sure,but i think a driver with higher experience is not that slow with more fuel as a 9 experience is,on the driver pannel it says "impacts driver's error rate" so that will make him to make less mistakes if he is higher expeeience,but idk why i think it will be faster on track if he has higher experience
Yes,probably the problem is only in 100% races,in 100%if you have higher fuel is very hard to stay witth the car ahead,you have to use a lot of boost.
But if this one is the best tyre balance you found,it has to be tge best,probably because we have  the option to have different rules makes the tyre balance to be harder to be optimal 
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medal 5410
73 days ago
IMHO it’s your driver talent that’s your handicap. The common denominator of the first 7 in your league standings is a talent 30 driver. Although some think talent is placebo, I think that’s what holds you back

Ps: I haven’t looked at strats or in race management, those have huge impact as well
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medal 5839
73 days ago

Slo
IMHO it’s your driver talent that’s your handicap. The common denominator of the first 7 in your league standings is a talent 30 driver. Although some think talent is placebo, I think that’s what holds you back

Ps: I haven’t looked at strats or in race management, those have huge impact as well



I have a 30 talent driver but i will start to use hin from next season
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