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Weather forecast tweaking

Tudor C
48 days ago

The weather forecast model is a joke (and it brings me no satisfaction in saying this).
I realized through experience that the forecast shown in the next race tab shows the most “critical” of weather events throughout 24h which may or may not happen during the race. That’s useless for the purpose of a race setup, but whatever.
What’s even more annoying is when you go to the openweather link from the forum to the circuit you’re about to race on, 30 mins before the race, it says rain’s about to start in 15 mins, shows light rain for the next 90 mins, and then you get a dry race. What’s the friggin point of that weather prediction anyway?
Are those openweather links from the pinned post inaccurate? I remember reading different opinions on whether there’s a delay between what’s shown in openweather and what happens in the actual game, I don't remember exactly how big that was (a visible disclaimer somewhere would be very useful and not something we should have to figure out the hard way), but seriously.. either we have something accurate or if not, might as well make it completely random, static (as opposed to dynamic) or disable it altogether…

Bogdan Fulga
48 days ago

And the OpenWeather radar doesn't even show te weather prediction,if you look on the radar is only what happend before...
I usualy use a radar app because i know the game is using the real weather and if on the radar it shows rain is coming is imposible to not come,like on the openweather site they are updating it with the info that they get from the weather stations,so if will rain it will change there too

Red Craigie Super Mod
48 days ago

Personally I find the links to be accurate. There might be some which are not, but they aren’t official iGP links, so hard to complain about that if they are. Also there are a few tracks where you need a bit of advanced knowledge on how openweather works to not get led astray, for example in some areas of the world the minute by minute forecast is not available and it will always show “no precipitation” as the future forecast for the next hour, even if the current weather is raining cats and dogs.

I find the delay on the weather to be between 1 and 5 minutes.

Weather forecasts are often inaccurate and change frequently. Which I think is part of what you are experiencing? This isn’t restricted to open weather. This morning my Apple weather app told me 14cm of snow coming overnight. Now it’s none 6 hours later. The kids are quite disappointed.

Static or preprogrammed weather for me feels like it would be a significant step backwards. And I wouldn’t put it past some players would work out all of the possible patterns. Which would give them a huge advantage.

Edit: bogdan in many places a future forecast is available on OpenWeather so I’m not sure what you are looking at? And as OpenWeather is where the games weather information comes from surely that is the place to go for additional information?

Bogdan Fulga
48 days ago (Last edited by Bogdan Fulga 48 days ago)

Red

Edit: bogdan in many places a future forecast is available on OpenWeather so I’m not sure what you are looking at? And as OpenWeather is where the games weather information comes from surely that is the place to go for additional information?

Yes,there is the information,but I mean th radar,like if I go now to China or,idk,any other place, i can see how will be the weather is collored under the map,but i mean if i want to see on the radar(click on the map to see it) i can't see on the radar in the future,i just have to think what they say is real

As you can see on this image i can see "Precipitation will end within 9 minutes",so yes,i can see the rain will end in 9 miniute

And when I want to see the radar i can see only a photo of what happens now,but i can't see on the radar what will happen in the future,like i can see only this

As you can see on the photo the last hour i can see is 6:50,more exactly 8 minutes ago was it(the app is using my time,that's why it is 6:50),but i can't see what will be in the next 1 hour on the radar,that's what i wanted to say

Slo Bro
48 days ago

Bogdan

Red

Edit: bogdan in many places a future forecast is available on OpenWeather so I’m not sure what you are looking at? And as OpenWeather is where the games weather information comes from surely that is the place to go for additional information?

Yes,there is the information,but I mean th radar,like if I go now to China or,idk,any other place, i can see how will be the weather is collored under the map,but i mean if i want to see on the radar(click on the map to see it) i can't see on the radar in the future,i just have to think what they say is real

As you can see on this image i can see "Precipitation will end within 9 minutes",so yes,i can see the rain will end in 9 miniute

And when I want to see the radar i can see only a photo of what happens now,but i can't see on the radar what will happen in the future,like i can see only this

As you can see on the photo the last hour i can see is 6:50,more exactly 8 minutes ago was it(the app is using my time,that's why it is 6:50),but i can't see what will be in the next 1 hour on the radar,that's what i wanted to say

That’s exactly how a radar works, you can’t see what’s about to happen cause that would be a forecast 😉 Radar only sees what’s there, it’s not a forecasting device

Bogdan Fulga
48 days ago

Slo

Bogdan

Red

Edit: bogdan in many places a future forecast is available on OpenWeather so I’m not sure what you are looking at? And as OpenWeather is where the games weather information comes from surely that is the place to go for additional information?

Yes,there is the information,but I mean th radar,like if I go now to China or,idk,any other place, i can see how will be the weather is collored under the map,but i mean if i want to see on the radar(click on the map to see it) i can't see on the radar in the future,i just have to think what they say is real

As you can see on this image i can see "Precipitation will end within 9 minutes",so yes,i can see the rain will end in 9 miniute

And when I want to see the radar i can see only a photo of what happens now,but i can't see on the radar what will happen in the future,like i can see only this

As you can see on the photo the last hour i can see is 6:50,more exactly 8 minutes ago was it(the app is using my time,that's why it is 6:50),but i can't see what will be in the next 1 hour on the radar,that's what i wanted to say

That’s exactly how a radar works, you can’t see what’s about to happen cause that would be a forecast 😉 Radar only sees what’s there, it’s not a forecasting device

They have forecast too

Forecast generated with the help of the data it has,yes true,is something generated,it doesn't have to be real,rain prediction
Like in F1,they can see on the radar a forecast,it doesn't have to be real,just made by a computer with the help of data they have
How do you think they know when the rain is coming in motorsports😉😅

Red Craigie Super Mod
48 days ago

Got it so you are just looking for a visualisation of the information on the forecast in radar form.

For me, I’ll stick to the OpenWeather data since it is the live information provider, there’s no difference to me between words telling me rain will stop in 9 minutes or a picture 🙂, and there’s the benefit of seeing in open weather that the live weather has changed. If I have the time to refresh the page during a race. That’s rarely the case. If weather is changeable I open the forecast on my second screen and hit refresh on the start finish straight occasionally.

Slo Bro
48 days ago

Bogdan

Slo

Bogdan

Red

Edit: bogdan in many places a future forecast is available on OpenWeather so I’m not sure what you are looking at? And as OpenWeather is where the games weather information comes from surely that is the place to go for additional information?

Yes,there is the information,but I mean th radar,like if I go now to China or,idk,any other place, i can see how will be the weather is collored under the map,but i mean if i want to see on the radar(click on the map to see it) i can't see on the radar in the future,i just have to think what they say is real

As you can see on this image i can see "Precipitation will end within 9 minutes",so yes,i can see the rain will end in 9 miniute

And when I want to see the radar i can see only a photo of what happens now,but i can't see on the radar what will happen in the future,like i can see only this

As you can see on the photo the last hour i can see is 6:50,more exactly 8 minutes ago was it(the app is using my time,that's why it is 6:50),but i can't see what will be in the next 1 hour on the radar,that's what i wanted to say

That’s exactly how a radar works, you can’t see what’s about to happen cause that would be a forecast 😉 Radar only sees what’s there, it’s not a forecasting device

They have forecast too

Forecast generated with the help of the data it has,yes true,is something generated,it doesn't have to be real,rain prediction
Like in F1,they can see on the radar a forecast,it doesn't have to be real,just made by a computer with the help of data they have
How do you think they know when the rain is coming in motorsports😉😅

No they can’t. A radar only sees what’s there, it doesn’t interpret any data. So if you want a rain radar, that’s exactly what you described earlier.

But as you say, it’s a computer making a forecast based on data and interpretation of incoming data. Radar provides input, computer interprets and provides output (forecast)

So just to be clear: if you can see a forecast it isn’t a radar, it’s a computer generated prediction, not a radar.

Bogdan Fulga
48 days ago

Red

Got it so you are just looking for a visualisation of the information on the forecast in radar form.

For me, I’ll stick to the OpenWeather data since it is the live information provider, there’s no difference to me between words telling me rain will stop in 9 minutes or a picture 🙂, and there’s the benefit of seeing in open weather that the live weather has changed. If I have the time to refresh the page during a race. That’s rarely the case. If weather is changeable I open the forecast on my second screen and hit refresh on the start finish straight occasionally.

And I have seen something interesting,on the home page the weather updates instantly,but when you join the race the rain will start 1-2 minutes later(or will stop)like there isn't a delay because the game is taking the data from the site slow,and it is in-game changing something that is delaying it?

Tudor C
32 days ago

It’s ridiculous. Openweather shows moderate rain for the next 2 hours in Italy, the game shows no rain. Way to set up correctly 30m before the race…

Herbie Rides Again
32 days ago (Last edited by Herbie Rides Again 32 days ago)

Bogdan

Red

Edit: bogdan in many places a future forecast is available on OpenWeather so I’m not sure what you are looking at? And as OpenWeather is where the games weather information comes from surely that is the place to go for additional information?

Yes,there is the information,but I mean th radar,like if I go now to China or,idk,any other place, i can see how will be the weather is collored under the map,but i mean if i want to see on the radar(click on the map to see it) i can't see on the radar in the future,i just have to think what they say is real

As you can see on this image i can see "Precipitation will end within 9 minutes",so yes,i can see the rain will end in 9 miniute

And when I want to see the radar i can see only a photo of what happens now,but i can't see on the radar what will happen in the future,like i can see only this

As you can see on the photo the last hour i can see is 6:50,more exactly 8 minutes ago was it(the app is using my time,that's why it is 6:50),but i can't see what will be in the next 1 hour on the radar,that's what i wanted to say

Apple’s default weather app has the type of radar you want, but basically it is just a nice looking piece of animated rubbish since the forecast changes so frequently it’s as useful a a chocolate teapot.

In terms of F1 doing this actually they don’t. What they have are systems showing the weather that it is about to happen (precipitation in 10 mins etc) and they don’t always get it right as Mr Hamilton has been the wrong end of several times. Anyone who understands how weather systems work can do this by just looking at the sky (in fact most people will be pretty accurate that’s why farmers frequentlyget the weather correct) . The other thing is predicting future weather more than a few hours in advance is hard and expensive computer models get it wrong a lot of time. Just think how many times the weather on your TV station gets it wrong. Where I live in December and so far in January we have had snow prediction maybe 5 or 6 times. Every time it didn’t snow.

@ Tudor 45 mins after your post when I watch a Italy race there is 1.2mm of water on track - just saying

Bogdan Fulga
32 days ago

Yes,I know what you want to say,but an animated forecast can give you more information than a text like "Rain will start in....minutes",even if it changes,if i have the race in 20 minutes i still have time to change the set up if i want and it can't be that bad ,if you can see on it that the rain is coming,even uf the rain comes a bit earlier or is delayed you still have an idea of what can happen

Red Craigie Super Mod
32 days ago

Tudor

It’s ridiculous. Openweather shows moderate rain for the next 2 hours in Italy, the game shows no rain. Way to set up correctly 30m before the race…

Which link were you using? The one in Phil's guide? I had a race in Italy yesterday and the weather displayed lined up with the game. The forecast itself was erratic, we went from rain due in 20 mins, to no rain. To Rain due. Then the rain started and the horizon on when it would stop changed from 20 mins to more than an hour. But all of that seems absolutely normal to me, weather systems are hard to predict by the day, never mind by the minute.

Since your original post I've been paying attention a bit more to the various forecasts and not all of the links in the guide seem to match up perfectly, but since this is a player made guide that can be expected, he's got it right more often than not. There's potentially an additional issue which i've reported through to dev's but it will not affect 98% of wet races (possibly rarer)

Given the live nature of weather forecasts, those who set up closest to race time will and should have an advantage in terms of an accurate forecast. And those who race live and react to changing conditions have an advantage over those who do not show up and rely on advanced strategy.

Do you play offline Tudor or is the main difficulty that you don't know what setup to set on the car when there is the potential for rain? I'd advise applying perfect setup in any situation where rain is a possibility and you cannot be present in the minutes leading up to the lockdown for qualifying.

I do understand the frustration in some ways but I'm struggling with why you expect live weather to be 100% predictable

Tudor C
32 days ago

I was preparing to take part in the race - which I did. As I wrote, 30 mins before the race it stopped raining “in the game” (with openweather showing medium rain) and 15 mins before, just as the setup window closed, it started raining again (in the game).
Dick stating it was raining 30 mins after the race started brings no value to the discussion - yes, it started raining *again* and it lasted the entire race - the point was that - just like Craig mentioned - i was checking the game on & off in the last 2 hours before the race specifically so that I can adjust on the fly, but when the weather forecast says something and the game detects something else, it just throws you off completely. I had to select softs just because of the same durability as inters, and toggle the advanced strategy on just in case it would start raining again (which turned out to be a wise choice).
Point being, either the game does follow what openweather says (I only care about 1-2h intervals, and especially if one says something’s happening ar that moment and the other does not) not looking 6-12 hours into the future… I think that’s reasonable.
Either we claim we’re accurate about it or we don’t, it’s that simple.

Skid Solo
32 days ago (Last edited by Skid Solo 32 days ago)

Tudor

I was preparing to take part in the race - which I did. As I wrote, 30 mins before the race it stopped raining “in the game” (with openweather showing medium rain) and 15 mins before, just as the setup window closed, it started raining again (in the game).
Dick stating it was raining 30 mins after the race started brings no value to the discussion - yes, it started raining *again* and it lasted the entire race - the point was that - just like Craig mentioned - i was checking the game on & off in the last 2 hours before the race specifically so that I can adjust on the fly, but when the weather forecast says something and the game detects something else, it just throws you off completely. I had to select softs just because of the same durability as inters, and toggle the advanced strategy on just in case it would start raining again (which turned out to be a wise choice).
Point being, either the game does follow what openweather says (I only care about 1-2h intervals, and especially if one says something’s happening ar that moment and the other does not) not looking 6-12 hours into the future… I think that’s reasonable.
Either we claim we’re accurate about it or we don’t, it’s that simple.

You said the app showed rain for next 2 hours and it rained early during the race so you have a choice to take notice or ignore what the app says. No weather app is ever going to be 100% accurate but I’m not sure it’s fair to cry foul because you choose to ignore it. There is delay as there was when using the previous provider and it’s unrealistic to think it’s going to be a real time link with no delay.

Forecasts are exactly that they are not 100% guarantees. An area can be forecast for rain and even if it falls there can be local variation so blaming iGP is unfair . As for the Open weather links provided by a player if you don’t like them you could go into the app directly using the exact race location the map co-ords are easily obtainable if you Google them

Red Craigie Super Mod
32 days ago

Ok so, iGP only provides the single symbol as a forecast. I'm not sure if its a warning for the full day, or specific to the hour / half hour you will be racing at. I'll see if I can confirm that.

If you check the weather forecast in iGP, it also warns you that relying on real forecasts can be risky. So there is no claim of accuracy anywhere that I have found. If there is one please point me at it and i'll go look at it and flag it if neccesary.

If you go beyond what iGP provides looking for more in depth information, such as going directly to the data source openweather, they are not responsible for the accuracy of what you find, and it's incredibly hard to even know if you are looking in the right place because of the location challenge. However, if you do find the right place, or even close to, you have a chance to gain an advantage over your opponents.

Bogdan Fulga
32 days ago

Red

Ok so, iGP only provides the single symbol as a forecast. I'm not sure if its a warning for the full day, or specific to the hour / half hour you will be racing at. I'll see if I can confirm that.

The warning is for the full day from what I know

Tudor C
32 days ago

On the setup page and home page it shows you the conditions in real time - or at least, that was my impression.
Anyway, this doesn’t seem to go places so I’ll just work it out I suppose.

Slo Bro
32 days ago

This ultimately is about a weather forecast for one specific place on earth. The variables are unlimited. You would have to know you have the correct weatherstation (is there even a way of knowing that).

Then even if you would have, you can’t command the forecast to be the future. Its real life weather, it changes and that’s why forecasts are sometimes off by a mile.

So I’d say: bad luck, that’s weather for you man, it can change at any given moment. That’s what weather is known to do

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