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Limited tires selection depending on the racetrack

Limit the tires available depending on the racetrack ?

61.82% (34)	Yes, could be a good thing
38.18% (21)	No, it's useless

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Mini_Glue Mini_Glue
6 years 53 days ago (edited 6 years 53 days ago)

We've seen a lot of suggestions here to add the new F1 tires of the 2018 season.
So everybody is always asking "Can we add the Ultrasofts tires ?"
We've also seen tons of suggestions asking to balance tires, to be able to use more tires and especially Medium ones.

What could be added to the game about tires, and which is real in F1, is to limit the selection of tires available for a Grand Prix.

At first, let's take a look of all of the tires available in the real F1.

So that's 3 type of tires more than those available in iGP. Don't be afraid of those "SuperHards" they won't wear by 0.5% a lap. This is how it looks like in fact.

What does that suggestion mean ?
It means that depending on the racetrack you will have at your disposal HyperSofts-UltraSofts-SuperSofts or maybe SuperSofts-Softs-Mediums and on racetracks with high tire degradations Mediums-Hards-SuperHards.
(These are not final selections, just examples).
This picture shows you which tires will be allowed on the first 3 Grand Prix of the 2018 season so you can easily imagine how it could work.

Why do so ?
It could allow to balance tires more easily, because all of the tires won't have to work together on the same Grand Prix.
It would change all of the strategies already established. If the harder compound available is Medium, won't you make one more pit stop to keep softer compound, even with balanced tires ? If the softer compound available is Medium, would you qualify with them and make that one more pit stop ?

This is how it could look like for the Italian GP.

Please vote for this suggestion, even if you disagree and please add a comment to your vote to make your point. :)

Kevin Bissell
6 years 53 days ago

In principle this sounds like a good idea and I like it. I don't know how difficult it would be for the developers to code but regardless of difficulty in coding there is one fundamental problem.
Because we race 24 hours a day, 365 days a year the wide temperature variations might mean the ideal tyre combination in winter would be different to summer. Also, a set of compounds which is suitable for a league racing in the middle of the day would most likely be unsuitable for a league whose races happen in the middle of the night.

Mini_Glue Mini_Glue
6 years 53 days ago

Kevin

Because we race 24 hours a day, 365 days a year the wide temperature variations might mean the ideal tyre combination in winter would be different to summer. Also, a set of compounds which is suitable for a league racing in the middle of the day would most likely be unsuitable for a league whose races happen in the middle of the night.

I understand that statement but isn't it what could make that suggestion interesting ?
If you run with higher temperatures then you will use the harder compounds, even if it is the Medium ones :)
If your race is "by night" then you will have to put on softer tires and maybe make one more pit stop...
Do you see my point and how this suggestion could be (very) interesting and change the way you play the game ?

Gerard VC I
6 years 53 days ago

I'm agree with implementing US tyres*° on iGP and I second your proposal Mini_Glue.

* I had put some posts about that
° I'm agree to limit the tyre compounds

Mini_Glue Mini_Glue
6 years 53 days ago

Arianator

* I put some posts about that

Yes, there are a lot of them... For US tires or to balance compounds to be able to use Medium tires.

Arianator

I second your proposal Mini_Glue

Thank you.

Gerard VC I
6 years 53 days ago

Mini_Glue

Arianator

* I put some posts about that

Yes, there are a lot of them... For US tires or to balance compounds to be able to use Medium tires.

Arianator

I second your proposal Mini_Glue

Thank you.

You're welcome

Lewis Hammertime
6 years 53 days ago

I'd let managers decide on which 3 tyre compounds they choose out of the 7 for each race..that way it's down to the managers to evaluate which combination is best for the conditions at that particular track, at that particular time of year & day.

Mini_Glue Mini_Glue
6 years 53 days ago

Lewis

I'd let managers decide on which 3 tyre compounds they choose out of the 7 for each race..that way it's down to the managers to evaluate which combination is best for the conditions at that particular track, at that particular time of year & day.

I'm torn apart about what you said. From my point of view, I would like it to be fix because it would be about the tire degradation on the racetrack. Here is my example why : You are in a league, you are level 12 and racing against levels 19. They have a better tire economy than you do, they may use softer compounds the way you use harder compounds... So they will always run softer tires and you will never catch them even if they make a mistake...

Frank Thomas Moderator
6 years 53 days ago

Make it a league choice. 3 tyres, 4 tyres, all tyres, the manager chooses 3 and is limited to them during the race, force the use of at least 2 different out of X tyres and so on. Personally I don't like a hard limit on 3 tyres due to the mentioned differences in temperature. That easily limits the choice out of the 3 the only one tyre you have to take especially since the range to choose from is quite likely very limited like the one you posted from real F1 (soft-hard, supersoft-medium) which means to one extreme the hardest one is actually already a too soft choice in midday summer but the opposite happens during the night and/or in winter.

Additionally that small range limits the tactics quite severe because with less differences between the tyres it means longer stints are quite likely to run into the tyre wear drop off even for the hardest choice available, which most of the time would make it useless and on the opposite site the shorter stint often couldn't use its lower durability demands to profit from a softer tyre because that isn't available as well.

Mini_Glue Mini_Glue
6 years 53 days ago

Frank

Make it a league choice.

In real F1, it's Pirelli who says which tires are available for a Grand Prix. Not the teams, the league host or whatever...

Frank

which means to one extreme the hardest one is actually already a too soft choice in midday summer but the opposite happens during the night and/or in winter.

Just to remind you that if everybody is forced to use the same tires, then these tires work (or not in your cases) for everybody.
And so, if tires overheat they do for everyone and they do the same way because car stats don't play on that.

Felix Perez
6 years 53 days ago

Me parece buena idea, de hecho en la liga que yo compito no se pueden utilizar los neumáticos duros.

Gerard VC II Moderator
6 years 53 days ago

Lewis

I'd let managers decide on which 3 tyre compounds they choose out of the 7 for each race..that way it's down to the managers to evaluate which combination is best for the conditions at that particular track, at that particular time of year & day.

That'd be a great idea too. Let the league components decide which tyre compound they want for the race

Frank Thomas Moderator
6 years 53 days ago (edited 6 years 53 days ago)

Mini_Glue

Frank

Make it a league choice.

In real F1, it's Pirelli who says which tires are available for a Grand Prix. Not the teams, the league host or whatever...

But real F1 is an entertainment show, commercial platform and maybe a sport but certainly not a game. It's supposed to be interesting to watch but not meant to be challenging fun for everyone to play in it.

Mini_Glue

Frank

which means to one extreme the hardest one is actually already a too soft choice in midday summer but the opposite happens during the night and/or in winter.

Just to remind you that if everybody is forced to use the same tires, then these tires work (or not in your cases) for everybody.
And so, if tires overheat they do for everyone and they do the same way because car stats don't play on that.

But it would be the current hard tyre situation squared. The hard tyre of the race would go by a different name but while you now often still can go with a different strategy, with that suggestion you'll have to go with that one least bad tyre or you're screwed.

Mini_Glue Mini_Glue
6 years 53 days ago

Frank

It's supposed to be interesting to watch but not meant to be challenging fun for everyone to play in it.

In fact, in the game Formula 1 on PS4, it's the same as in real. So I guess it can be in a game ^^

Frank

But it would be the current hard tyre situation squared. The hard tyre of the race would go by a different name but while you now often still can go with a different strategy, with that suggestion you'll have to go with that one least bad tyre or you're screwed.

No you just don't rename the tyre and change the colour ! lol
Depending of the racetrack if your harder tire is the Yellow one, it won't wear at 2% a lap like an Orange one would, but maybe little less than actually to make even softer tires work.

Truth is, I don't know. It's a suggestion based on real facts and I'm trying to put it into the game... It needs some reflexion. If I could chew it entirely to the devs, well, I would host my own game lol

Frank Thomas Moderator
6 years 53 days ago (edited 6 years 53 days ago)

Mini_Glue

Frank

It's supposed to be interesting to watch but not meant to be challenging fun for everyone to play in it.

In fact, in the game Formula 1 on PS4, it's the same as in real. So I guess it can be in a game ^^

It wouldn't be a game if you could only set push level and decide when to pit. The limited choice of tyres doesn't matter there because you've, and everyone else, got so many other ways to do things right or screw up driving the car.

Mini_Glue

Frank

But it would be the current hard tyre situation squared. The hard tyre of the race would go by a different name but while you now often still can go with a different strategy, with that suggestion you'll have to go with that one least bad tyre or you're screwed.

No you just don't rename the tyre and change the colour ! lol
Depending of the racetrack if your harder tire is the Yellow one, it won't wear at 2% a lap like an Orange one would, but maybe little less than actually to make even softer tires work.

Truth is, I don't know. It's a suggestion based on real facts and I'm trying to put it into the game... It needs some reflexion. If I could chew it entirely to the devs, well, I would host my own game lol

It would still be the same, or rather worse. What colour the tyre is or how long you can run it doesn't matter if it's just the one tyre to rule them all, for that given race and weather conditions.

That's why make it a league selection thing. For anyone that like to simulate those real rules, or want to give them a try for a change of things, they can do it and everyone who doesn't can leave them be. If those real rules work nothing worse happens than I'd be proven wrong. To open up more racing variety and the ability to simulate the rules of historic F1, other series or just player preferences still makes the added development time more than up. If those real F1 tyre rules doesn't works, then it's just a matter of a few mouse clicks for a few league hosts to fix it instead all players possibly stuck for months with a broken tyre rule.

james meanwell
6 years 51 days ago

While I'm not against having more tyres, i think it is more important that the devs get the correct balance, between all the compounds we have already. As for league hosts picking compounds for circuits i believe that is an definite no as it would lead to arguments. However i think a rule that you had to use 2 or different compounds during the race would be a good thing(however this was only brought in in F1 to increase overtaking)

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