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Rinat Khafizov medal 5000
5 years 274 days ago (edited 5 years 274 days ago)
Please check the race https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=19027156&tab=race

I was far ahead and consistently building a gap, but in the second half of the race, one of two drivers E Koca of team Elzar Racing F1 Team suddenly got much faster than the other driver R Ciampi.

I am really don't get how that was possible.
Usually, both drivers of that team are close to each other at the finish (if wasn't rain). This race it was 16 seconds difference. That is strange for me.

Please check the race and explain.
I think it was a bug or worse.
Thanks.



BTW, the email support@igpgames.com doesn't work.
It says:

This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

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    host mx1.emailsrvr.com [184.106.54.1]
    SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<support@igpgames.com>:
    554 5.7.1 ACL dns_rbl; Client host [95.216.65.77] blocked using sa-ip4tset.blagr.emailsrvr.com=127.22.0.2 Senderscore. Please visit https://senderscore.org/rtbl/ for more information on why this message could not be delivered
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Rik Sinnige medal 5000
5 years 273 days ago
Thanks for reporting that last bit Rinat! I don't have a clue myself about your issue I am afraid.
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Rinat Khafizov medal 5000
5 years 272 days ago
Yes, moderators couldn't check such cases.
Only those who know programming code of the game could check closely this race.
I hope waiting wouldn't be that long.
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José Trujillo medal 5000 Community Manager
5 years 270 days ago
The developers will review it when they have time.
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Jack Basford medal 5073 CEO & CTO
5 years 270 days ago
Hi Rinat, I'm not sure about your race or if this was a bug but will have someone look at it when there is time. We are currently preoccupied with getting the update ready for release.

Regarding email, it is working fine, but your email server is blacklisted:
https://support.rackspace.com/how-to/common-email-bounces/

554 5.7.1
5.7.1 ACL dns_rbl
This is blacklisted.


The sender must follow the http://csi.cloudmark.com/reset-request link to request remediation from the Cloudmark blacklist.


Are you using your own email server or some uncommon email service?
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Rinat Khafizov medal 5000
5 years 269 days ago
Thank you. I'll wait.

About the email issue...
95.216.65.77 is an IP of my hosting provider. I have email addresses on my personal domain, but it uses mail servers of my hosting provider. 

IP whois says:
95.216.65.77 (lucky.vanet.eu)
Country: Finland
Provider: Hetzner Online GmbH

Does Hetzner's IP's are blacklisted???
Maybe another client of my hosting provider sending spam...
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Jack Basford medal 5073 CEO & CTO
5 years 267 days ago
Rinat
Maybe another client of my hosting provider sending spam...

I think it is likely. The only way to get it removed is to appeal the IPs being on the blacklist (ask for them to whitelist it). There is not much we can do, and we don't want to open our servers to blacklisted IPs.
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Rinat Khafizov medal 5000
5 years 262 days ago (edited 5 years 262 days ago)
Still no the race check?
We have only two races klef, and if there was a cheat it should be decdeci before the end of the season.
Please.
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Jack Basford medal 5073 CEO & CTO
5 years 261 days ago (edited 5 years 261 days ago)
Players can't "cheat" or alter the race simulation in iGP because it isn't running on their computer. It works nothing like most other games in that sense, where players can tamper with what is going on and systems like "Punkbuster" are required. The probability of anyone cheating (or even knowing where to start with such a thing) is incredibly low.

Looking at the results, he got quicker after switching to hard tyres and burning off some fuel. It seems possible to me that he either was actively managing his race from that point (looking after the tyres better) and using more Boost / KERS, or joined halfway through. There are too many variables and too low of a probability of this being cheating to investigate it. In the end, you only finished 2 seconds behind him.
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Rinat Khafizov medal 5000
5 years 261 days ago (edited 5 years 261 days ago)
Thank you.
But all your suggestings is very hard to believe.
Why could a manager actively managing a race only from some point of the race, and not before?
BTW, you could check when a manager joined the race.
Why a manager should actively manage only one driver, not both.
Any manager actually can change the race. We pressing buttons. We change the race as it goes.
Maybe there is any way to press the button of KERS and another button(s) which is not spending KERS value but works as KERS actually and speed up the car? Maybe there is an uncovered yet bug in pressing buttons?
All this is really strange for me.
It is not about the race and 2 seconds. Maybe they using the bug for a long time already. And maybe several managers using the bug.

Please think, is there could be some buttons bugs in the racing viewer on PC or/and on smartphones.
Not now of course but as you find a time for that.
Thank you.
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Gert Rose medal 5683 Super Mod
5 years 261 days ago
To me it looks like he had a longer 1st stint than you, using medium tyres vs your softs, afterwards you both switched to hards. This explains why you were faster in the beginning. And then he always used the overcut to get closer to you.

And having one driver slower than the other is something that happened to me also. Certainly on tracks with a long straight like Italy or Turkey (your race). If you miss the DRS train once with a driver, you are suddenly 2 seconds behind and are likely never to recover if you can't get back into DRS, you will be consistently getting more and more behind. Looking at other races, his two drivers are always finishing closer to each other.

I also think that if he would know some secret button to use hidden KERS, he would also use it on his second driver ;)
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Frank Thomas medal 4998 Moderator
5 years 261 days ago
Yes, once the 2nd driver lost contact with the first it's often going downhill for him. Partially because being further behind it's often more likely to hit further obstacles slowing his race and also because, especially if it's a really close race, I tend to concentrate my attention towards the better positioned driver. If he's playing using the App then he can only truly support one driver anyway.

Also being online doesn't mean giving the race full concentration. He might've done something else at first and casually watched the race. Also if I'm not slower than the competition and have to put everything in to keep up, or at least not to fall behind too far, then I tend to relax my managing a bit because as long as I'm not in that rare position to leave everyone behind it's not necessary and no use because it doesn't matter when my cars just run along in a DRS train. Apart from some key situations it's after the race with all its strategies unfolds towards the finale when things get interesting.

@Rinat: Do you adjust push levels during a lap?
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Rinat Khafizov medal 5000
5 years 261 days ago
Gert
To me it looks like he had a longer 1st stint than you, using medium tyres vs your softs, afterwards you both switched to hards. This explains why you were faster in the beginning. And then he always used the overcut to get closer to you.


I understand that and I agree. But the key events happened in the last stint. We both used the same fuel load every lap. It was the last stint, I finished with 1.4 litres. He had only 2 laps fresher tyres. I finished with 42% worn tyres with 58% tyres. It wasn't overused. So general speed. He has used 1 or 2 another car's tow that stint to speed up his cars on DRS factor. So am I, I also had 1 or 2 KERS laps. I had a generally faster car for the race. We have almost the same drivers. There was no help of tows of other cars. But he was consistently faster than me by 0.5-1 seconds almost every lap! Just check it! You just can't gain 5 seconds by 10 laps on almost same cars. It is impossible without knowing some secret. And why he hasn't used that secret in the first half of the race?

Frank
Yes, once the 2nd driver lost contact with the first it's often going downhill for him. Partially because being further behind it's often more likely to hit further obstacles slowing his race and also because, especially if it's a really close race, I tend to concentrate my attention towards the better positioned driver. If he's playing using the App then he can only truly support one driver anyway.


I know that. Usually, I use the pair of my cars to run fast. But yes, as you say, if one car is slower one lap by accident factors, then you have to use a DRS of one driver to pair them again. Usually, it pays off against racing two cars along. Because you have to pay attention and can't use KERS every lap. Not always of course.
I suggest he uses a PC - he talks sometimes in the race chat.

I change push levels during every lap.
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