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medal 5000
12 years 138 days ago
I was talking with Alin last night, when we realised that Edwin Smith had now climbed to the top of the Hall of Fame. What I'd like to know is, just out of pure interest, I was under the impression that the amount of reputation you gained was based on your competition, and then a bonus if you finish in the top 2 of the Championship.

So I decided to take a look at the guys in his league, and the highest apart from him was 19, then another at 29, then 49, and after that it was 300+. Having won 10 Championships, and nearly winning every race of every season he's competed in, it's easy to say that he's a very good manager, and I'm not saying that he, nor anyone else in the league is undeserving or anything like that. I was just merely wondering if there were more factors that effected reputation, considering our league has three teams in the top 10 (Used to be four) and at least three other teams that are in the top 80.
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medal 5000
12 years 138 days ago
Yes, I simply don't know how this is computed. I mean, I am sure there is an system, but so far eluded me and Jamie. I thought reputation is based on good performances against people highly ranked, otherwise it doesn't offer a true comparison point. As Jamie said, our league is a good one, it's second in the standings, but practically we are first, since the only one above us consist in one manager, David Brady, who is also competing with us. :) We are not accusing anything, we are just curious.
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medal 5000
12 years 138 days ago
Looks like his league is running 100% distance races.. That might explain things..?
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medal 5025 CEO & CTO
12 years 138 days ago
The average reputation as last calculated in Edwin's league/tier is 6083. In your league/tier it is 6227, so there is virtually no difference. Edwin has won 124 races, Jamie has won 45.

It adds up, he has probably raced and won more against guys with slightly lower reps on average.
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medal 5000
12 years 138 days ago
46 now ;) haha - But that is definitely understandable. Thanks Jack.
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medal 5000
12 years 137 days ago
You raise some interesting points Jamie & Alin.

I would like to race against the best. My issues with this being that you race too late for me & you are racing over half distance. I have work & family commitments which prevent me from racing late in the evening & surely the complexity of a longer race, should result in higher ratings; since the complexity increases exponentially. Six of the top ten rated people are racing over half distance. Is it right that they should be ranked so highly? (You may have debated this previously, but I could not find it. Apologies If I am duplicating).

I wonder as well about whether I am winning because my drivers are rated higher than those of the people I am racing against. SInce the driver training is linear, how are those with lower rated drivers expected to catch up?
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medal 5000
12 years 137 days ago
"Edwin
You raise some interesting points Jamie & Alin.

I would like to race against the best. My issues with this being that you race too late for me & you are racing over half distance. I have work & family commitments which prevent me from racing late in the evening & surely the complexity of a longer race, should result in higher ratings; since the complexity increases exponentially. Six of the top ten rated people are racing over half distance. Is it right that they should be ranked so highly? (You may have debated this previously, but I could not find it. Apologies If I am duplicating).

I wonder as well about whether I am winning because my drivers are rated higher than those of the people I am racing against. SInce the driver training is linear, how are those with lower rated drivers expected to catch up?


First of all, I think racing distance isn't necessarily a factor in difficulty. Yes, there are more pit stops, however, after so many seasons, the strategy will become very similar each season you race, no matter the distance. For example, I'm sure you already know how many pit stops you'll be doing in your next race. It may take a little longer to work out the optimum strategy, but the difficulty remains the same. I think the only factor that would differ, is KERS use, but again, after so much racing in one distance, you'd become accustom to using it like that.

Also, our league's race starts just half an hour after yours, but considering that your race is twice as long, it would probably finish at around 22:15 (give or take 5 to 10 minutes) whereas ours finishes in under an hour.
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medal 5000
12 years 137 days ago
My aim is to found a league in which people with high reputation should compete. Problem is gathering all those people together and achieving a general agreement.
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medal 5000
12 years 137 days ago
Alin, I would be interested in such a league. I'm currently only P23 (was P17, if this is good enough), since my league is so weak now, I even lose points when I win.
To me, 50% races with starting time somehwere between 19:30 and 20:30 would be fine. I think time is the biggest problem for most people here...
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medal 5025 CEO & CTO
12 years 137 days ago
"Alin
My aim is to found a league in which people with high reputation should compete.

It's on our agenda to do do something similar, and create a sanctioned 'pinnacle' league. There are a number of things we must finish before then, and it will need fair filters on joining, as demand will be high.

If you still want to set up this league, it's fine. I just thought I'd let you know. :)
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medal 5000
12 years 137 days ago
Couldn't you implement a possibility to race in 2 leagues (maybe for subscribers only)? That way everyone could stay in his/her league and also race against the best, lets say once a week. I'm pretty sure, it would be easier for most people to agree on a date once a week (e.g. sunday 8pm GMT, even if they are usually race at a earlier or later time).
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medal 5000
12 years 137 days ago
Thanks Jack for considering the idea. It would be great to have a pinnacle league. Stefan idea is great, I thought of it in the first place, even talked to Jamie, from my league. This "pinnacle" league as Jack is calling would be something like IROC, but still counting towards achievements, reputation, stats and so on. But, as in IROC people still compete in their own championships, here managers will keep playing in their own leagues, alongside the master league, if possible.
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medal 5000
12 years 137 days ago
Total race time should be a factor in giving out xp at the end of each race

You might be able to win your league of high-xp teams, but you still might be a good 20 seconds behind the next guy who was 4th in his league of also high-ranked xp teams. Obviously the different race % that many different league's run will result in a variation of total race time, but if calculated right I'm sure with the database of race finishes already clocked up you could work out just exactly what is a very fast total race time and issue extra xp accordingly.

Of course, this then would open the debate to wether keeping your car at 100% is the only way to manage this feat.

I don't think the Hall of Fame and xp is broken, far from it, but if an experienced manager wanted to exploit it and climb to number 1, there are a few ways, so for me the 'Reputation' does not carry that much weight.
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medal 5000
12 years 136 days ago
I know this might sound offensive to some, but this is not my intention: Why should you get more reputation points for racing 100% instead of 50%? I've never raced 100%, simply because it's just too long imo.
I think it is pretty much like F1 vs Le Mans e.g. Just because you are good at the one thing, doesn't have to say you are good at the other too. It is just different and not really comparable. You need a different approach (in our case different strategy and maybe focus more on driver health and stamina instead of speed).
There is no guarantee, a dominator in 100% leagues will also dominate 50% races (and the other way round).

Correct me if I am wrong.
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medal 5000
12 years 136 days ago
I agree with you Stefan, and at the moment I don't think you are rewarded differently depending on race length %
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