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Richard Smith medal 5000
4 years 363 days ago
Whilst DRS in real life may add passing to the race. In this game it only promotes a train. Surely it has to go. And perhaps 10% Boost per lap may enhance the experience, as it will prevent this last lap sprint it so commonly becomes...
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Molly Perfect medal 5000
4 years 362 days ago
Our league has introduced a boost ban for the final 15% of the race. 
It works a treat, the racing is really close now. 
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Richard Smith medal 5000
4 years 362 days ago
Good idea. Might suggest that to our mod
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Paul Skyeladder medal 5000
4 years 361 days ago

Richard
Good idea. Might suggest that to our mod


Hi, unless you can run it in a different way that we do, I'm not entirely sure that the boost ban would work in a 1 car league. 
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Chas Shaw medal 5611
4 years 360 days ago
I don't think boost should be banned outright but the sensible option would be to to spread it over the total laps of the race i.e. 20 lap race 5% per lap etc. This would at least stop the spectacle of the track on fire during the last lap as most managers have saved 100% boost purely for the last lap.
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Darek Speed medal 5000
4 years 360 days ago

I think that would be a great idea. The same as after the start for 2 laps is forbidden to use kers, also 2 laps before the finish.
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Dave Benton medal 5000
4 years 358 days ago

Richard
Whilst DRS in real life may add passing to the race. In this game it only promotes a train. Surely it has to go. And perhaps 10% Boost per lap may enhance the experience, as it will prevent this last lap sprint it so commonly becomes...



Between the drs train and boost use there is no place for more realistic strategy calls, in particular, the 'Clean air penalty' of not being in a drs train prevents getting out of synch pitstopwise as a way to try to get an edge. So many races end up with only the one strategic option. Train and boost. 
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Paul Skyeladder medal 5000
4 years 357 days ago

Darek

I think that would be a great idea. The same as after the start for 2 laps is forbidden to use kers, also 2 laps before the finish.



We ban boost for the final 15% of the race, usually it's around 7 laps depending on the number of laps in the race, obviously Belgium the ban is only 6 laps but somewhere like Hungary, I think it's 11 laps. 
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Darek Speed medal 5000
4 years 357 days ago
Very good idea. I'm trying to incorporate a similar one in my league, and only with the last two laps without KERS, but the players put up a lot of resistance.
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Paul Skyeladder medal 5000
4 years 354 days ago

Darek
Very good idea. I'm trying to incorporate a similar one in my league, and only with the last two laps without KERS, but the players put up a lot of resistance.


If they aren't supportive, you'll struggle. You need the support of all the members. Initially I tried it for 1 season but there were a couple of members who didn't like it and kicked up a fuss about it so halfway through the season I gave up. 

I had second thoughts though and applied it to the league rules for the following season. This time, there were no objections and I had the support of all the members. 
It works really well but you need that support and I'm not sure that banning the boost in the last 2 laps will work, it needs to be longer for it to have the desired affect. If someone is closing in at 0.2 seconds per lap but they're a second behind, 2 laps isn't enough to make a difference. You need that 15% in order to make the closing stages exciting 
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Darek Speed medal 5000
4 years 354 days ago
You're right. I tested the last 2 laps and despite the fact that most people in the survey supported the idea. At the race there were those who broke the rule. Several managers have left the league. The idea has fallen and we ride normally with kers.
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Dave Benton medal 5000
4 years 354 days ago
We need, at least, the option, to depower both boost and drs, developers should concentrate on this as it is going to be far more effective at diversifying the range of possible successful strategies. Messing around with the development of the cars might give us more variability in track specific performance between teams, but if you are stuck with the 'train and boost' as the only viable tactic it will do little to improve the chances of getting more strategic thinking during races.
Incidents, possibly leading to safety cars, and car damage requiring pitstops, again, as an option, would also help to break the strategic stranglehold that the two gizmos exert. 
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Alessandro Sorrentino medal 5000
4 years 354 days ago
What’s the difference of using it at lap X or last lap? It will always give you the same advantage 
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Darek Speed medal 5000
4 years 354 days ago
Alessandro
Jaka jest różnica w używaniu go na X okrążeniu lub na ostatnim okrążeniu? Zawsze da ci tę samą przewagę 

It will make such a difference that you don't have a red color on the train at the finish. I am in favor of doing KERS and DRS as options to choose from. Then tire temperature management would make more sense. And the finish would be a sublime strategic battle over who treats tires better. Or better set his tactics. At the moment, the train going from DRS is able to destroy every race.


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Alessandro Sorrentino medal 5000
4 years 352 days ago

Darek
Alessandro
Jaka jest różnica w używaniu go na X okrążeniu lub na ostatnim okrążeniu? Zawsze da ci tę samą przewagę 

It will make such a difference that you don't have a red color on the train at the finish. I am in favor of doing KERS and DRS as options to choose from. Then tire temperature management would make more sense. And the finish would be a sublime strategic battle over who treats tires better. Or better set his tactics. At the moment, the train going from DRS is able to destroy every race.





Then they should simply make it less effective in relation of the weariness of tyres and car conditions, so people will be encouraged to use it earlier in the race. 
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Frank Thomas medal 4979 Moderator
4 years 352 days ago
The problem with just making DRS less effective would be incorporating the problem the F1 has quite some time now, one that gave us DRS in the first place. Without strong enough DRS to pull the field together the dirty air wins over time and separates the cars one by one by about 2 seconds even if the cars behind could actually go faster, you'd need most of your boost for one overtake. Quite some races would be like Monaco except for the ones the dirty air causes less of a gap in one lap than DRS manages to recover, but in those it'll be likely to be the train again.

Doing what F1 didn't manage to do (yet?), as they don't want to be appear low tech, and going back to the past towards cars less crippled by dirty air and perhaps a noticeable slipstream effect (at really close distance like 0,2s), aided by a quite toned down DRS, could shift the races towards car performance and, of course, using tyres and weight right.
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Paul Skyeladder medal 5000
4 years 350 days ago

Darek
You're right. I tested the last 2 laps and despite the fact that most people in the survey supported the idea. At the race there were those who broke the rule. Several managers have left the league. The idea has fallen and we ride normally with kers.

Yeah, as I said, you need to have the full support of the members, if only 1 objects, they'll likely break the rule and if 1 does, others will follow. 

I made it clear when I first introduced it, that it was a trial and if it didn't work, I'd drop it, which I did. I didn't say that I wouldn't re-introduce it though and when I did, it's been the success I hoped it would be. 

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Molly Perfect medal 5000
4 years 348 days ago

Alessandro
What’s the difference of using it at lap X or last lap? It will always give you the same advantage 

Yes, it will give you the same advantage but by banning it for the final 15% of the race, it means that you get great races at the end. If a car was 2.5 seconds behind but is closing at 0.5 seconds a lap, you're gonna get a fantastic finish. But if you still had boost and the car ahead had 20% left but the car behind had only 10%,the race is over. 

Trust me, a boost ban for the final 15% of the race is brilliant, don't knock it until you've tried it. 


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Paul Skyeladder medal 5000
4 years 345 days ago
Yes, Molly. In our most recent race the top 6 were already close and 7th to 12th were closing on each other and on the top 6. We probably needed 2 more laps in order to have an absolutely barnstorming finish. 
If boost was still available, it would have been a bore fest. 
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