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medal 5097
3 years 356 days ago
Is there somthing you can do for the hard tire, it does not get used. Could it be a little faster.
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medal 5000
3 years 350 days ago
You can use it in temperatures over 40 Celsius, I use them when the temperature is around 38-45 celsius
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medal 5000
3 years 350 days ago
When In the real world does it get around 40c. Hot is 28c and above surely
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medal 5000
3 years 350 days ago

Ben
When In the real world does it get around 40c. Hot is 28c and above surely


India

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medal 5000
3 years 350 days ago
This thread is better when being written in help & support. You should try to give your feedback about hard tire being too slow or related
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medal 5000
3 years 347 days ago
Yes hard tyres are very slow at most tracks, but under certain circumstances they could be beneficial, but in races like f1 they have 3 tyre compounds per weekend. But having 4 all the time doesn’t often work, so we use the first 3 tyre choices.

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medal 4873
3 years 347 days ago (Last edited by JNS Uchiha 3 years 347 days ago)
Hey guys! 

How about making tyres like Engine and car Parts?
Like we should have a Limited number of each tyre for the Saison (like Engine, every 20 Races you will her a new amount of tyres) 
Maybe without rebuy like it is with Parts and Engine.

I think the whole season will be more interessting with   Tactic of how and when to use which tyre......

Sorry for bad english but i Hope all of you could Figure our my thinking
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medal 5000
3 years 347 days ago

JNS
Hey guys! 

How about making tyres like Engine and car Parts?
Like we should have a Limited number of each tyre for the Saison (like Engine, every 20 Races you will her a new amount of tyres) 
Maybe without rebuy like it is with Parts and Engine.

I think the whole season will be more interessting with   Tactic of how and when to use which tyre......

Sorry for bad english but i Hope all of you could Figure our my thinking



I completely agree as it would forve you to be really careful and sacrifice some races so that you can have a good cnace at the cuircuits you are good at
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medal 5097
3 years 346 days ago
Love that idea 
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medal 5097
3 years 337 days ago
Did the developers see this idea
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medal 5001 Super Mod
3 years 337 days ago
Hi all

Support will have seen this idea and it will therefore come to the attention of the developers. But just to manage your expectations... Variations of this idea have been suggested before on a number of occasions and it hasn't happened yet.

It's a PITA to monitor and police but I do know of at least one 75% race distance league where each week the number of soft compound tyres are limited. This promotes a variety of strategies, but even in this league I don't imagine hards are ever chosen.

Most leagues with two compound rules use Hard tyres as a punishment for managers who don't abide by the rules, that's how bad they are. 
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medal 4873
3 years 337 days ago
Honestly i think If the devs would work with weather and Temperature it would be great.

Like Last Race in USA (2-3 days Ago) we hat 37/38 degrees. But still S was better then M dir H.... We thought ,,ok with 38 degrees we have to use H and S will melt imidiatly“ but no we were totally wrong..

And Honestly If i read the tyre Information for each tyre, it Must be impossible to use S auch Hot weather....
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medal 4994 Moderator
3 years 336 days ago
The problem with Hards is that even if the temperature plays a bigger part so Softs would drop out due to overheating then there are still the Mediums coping and usually still faster than Hards, except if we overdo it and there's Hards only at certain temperatures. The higher range of Hards also doesn't really matter because of fuel weight. But if Hards are made faster we'd be back to the times when Mediums were useless and if no sweet spot is hit Hards will again be often better than Softs especially in (north hemisphere) summer.

What might work is if temperature increases wear rate significantly. So in hot temperatures Softs are still usable but move into Super Soft territory which mostly drop out due to both overheating issues and severly limited range, Medium take up the middle ground and to go long there's only Hards left. But it isn't solving that only 3 compounds are useful at any given time at best.

Another method would be giving each compound an own temperature/performance graph but besides probably more work I think there's a certain risk to define a single working tyre and strategy for each temperature range on a track.
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medal 6189
3 years 336 days ago
It used to be hard tyres were the best, put them on and maximum push and away you go, they were faster than mediums and the softs back then. That was just boring, at least now there is constant managing of tyre temps, knowing when to push and not. 
A limited number of each tyre at the start of each season sounds like it could be fun, but then it would get complicated as some people 3 stop, others 4 stop. Someone who does 3 stops in a 20 race season would use 60 sets compared to say someone who 4 stopped would need 80 sets. How could they then manage that unless you could reuse old tyres.
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medal 4873
3 years 336 days ago
I think there 2 reasonable Option to rescue tyres.

A.) tyres will a Push/temperature  Feature. It means for example SS can do Push 5 with 5 degrees and then every 5 degrees the Push is -1. S Starts at 10 M at 15 and H at 20 degrees. if you have higher Push then the tyres will Overheat .... i Hope you guys could understand my thinking 😅

B.) every Saison there will be a Limited amount of tyres so you have to mix tyre and have more Strategie .... the amount of tyres are equal to the amount of races. 20 Race Saison means 20 of each tyre. 

Please it is only an idea and i think it’s not perfectly worked out. But it could be a direction to Go 😉😅
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medal 5000
3 years 336 days ago

Frank
The problem with Hards is that even if the temperature plays a bigger part so Softs would drop out due to overheating then there are still the Mediums coping and usually still faster than Hards, except if we overdo it and there's Hards only at certain temperatures. The higher range of Hards also doesn't really matter because of fuel weight. But if Hards are made faster we'd be back to the times when Mediums were useless and if no sweet spot is hit Hards will again be often better than Softs especially in (north hemisphere) summer.

What might work is if temperature increases wear rate significantly. So in hot temperatures Softs are still usable but move into Super Soft territory which mostly drop out due to both overheating issues and severly limited range, Medium take up the middle ground and to go long there's only Hards left. But it isn't solving that only 3 compounds are useful at any given time at best.

Another method would be giving each compound an own temperature/performance graph but besides probably more work I think there's a certain risk to define a single working tyre and strategy for each temperature range on a track.


There's only one fix to all this:


Get back to the old tyre performances (before the "tyre update" in 2018) and just close the gap in % tyre wear between the four different compounds. Softer tyres have an unmotivated high wear, it was the only thing to do back in 2018 but devs just reworked the whole performance of different tyres and kept an unmotivated huge difference between tyres wear. These are the results. 
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medal 5000
3 years 326 days ago

Nathaniel
Is there somthing you can do for the hard tire, it does not get used. Could it be a little faster.



I think better is don't use it...(only over 40 celsius degrees)
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