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medal 5000
3 years 8 days ago (Last edited by Primordial Black 3 years 8 days ago)
There have been a lot of threads where a player complained about being called a cheater & other labels or was kicked out of the league for being too competitive simply because he/she knew the basics.

This is cyber bullying and I suggest a stricter stance on the issue from iGP as well as penalties for repeat offenders (host/managers).

If a manager has been warned that there is no cheating in iGP but carries on with the toxic behavior/bullying (and yes, there are managers that have a history of this), I do not think a race ban or deduction in points is too high a penalty to serve as a deterrent... My suggestion.

I've searched the forum/league walls to see the penalties handed out for this form of cyber bullying and was shocked to see nothing except the usual host ban for a few days.

Please note I'm not saying you condone bullying, I'm simply asking that the penalties applied (if any) should be made known & public to deter others from this behavior.

Bullying in any form should NEVER be accepted or be okay. It usually has real life consequences.

This is not good enough, be better.


Thanks.
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medal 5306
3 years 8 days ago
I agree, I believe it to be a growing pain for igp alongside banning offensive manager names. It’s something igp will have to face sooner or later as the game and the number of players grow.

We all want gameplay improvements and new features but handling player integrity needs investment as atm its underdeveloped. That’s my opinion 
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medal 5000
3 years 8 days ago

Antonio
I agree, I believe it to be a growing pain for igp alongside banning offensive manager names. It’s something igp will have to face sooner or later as the game and the number of players grow.

We all want gameplay improvements and new features but handling player integrity needs investment as atm its underdeveloped. That’s my opinion 


Very true, but iGP can’t afford to put measures in place only when it gets to 100M subs. Being better should start from now (doesn’t have to be anything elaborate for now due to costs, but just something) and continue actively.

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medal 5052
3 years 8 days ago

There have been a lot of threads where a player complained about being called a cheater & other labels or was kicked out of the league for being too competitive simply because he/she knew the basics.

This is cyber bullying and I suggest a stricter stance on the issue from iGP as well as penalties for repeat offenders (host/managers).

If a manager has been warned that there is no cheating in iGP but carries on with the toxic behavior/bullying (and yes, there are managers that have a history of this), I do not think a race ban or deduction in points is too high a penalty to serve as a deterrent... My suggestion.

I've searched the forum/league walls to see the penalties handed out for this form of cyber bullying and was shocked to see nothing (except the usual host ban for a few days). Bullying in any form should NEVER be accepted or be okay. It usually has real life consequences.

This is not good enough, do better.


Thanks.


Totally agree, to be called a cheat because you have a better understanding of car development and race strategies is disgusting and so disheartening. It is impossible to ‘cheat’ the game. Sooner people realise this and look at their own performance the better for everyone.

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medal 4987 Moderator
3 years 8 days ago
The problem is that iGP Manager is one of few games that really handle everything important on the server. Some of those players and hosts are not out to bully but genuinely believe there's cheating as it's rampant in some other games, that are rely on their clients to handle some of the calculations to ease load.

So it's a tough learning experience for everyone. For the ones handing out punishment, as too lenient makes the ones wronged feel bad but too harsh makes the ones wrongly believing they are in the right just leave and accuse the iGP staff (I'm just ordinary mod and thus not deciding on that) to help cheaters, building a reputation for the game making other new players even more readily come to the conclusion to be cheated by the players that are just better at it. iGP Manager appearing rather simple on the surface doesn't help as it also masks a bit the depths making it possible to make a difference as a manager. But also for the community to learn and build a reputation of trust in the game in order to foremost look for the fault in the own knowledge if someone appearingly easily defeats everyone in a league.
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medal 5000
3 years 8 days ago

Frank
The problem is that iGP Manager is one of few games that really handle everything important on the server. Some of those players and hosts are not out to bully but genuinely believe there's cheating as it's rampant in some other games, that are rely on their clients to handle some of the calculations to ease load.

So it's a tough learning experience for everyone. For the ones handing out punishment, as too lenient makes the ones wronged feel bad but too harsh makes the ones wrongly believing they are in the right just leave and accuse the iGP staff (I'm just ordinary mod and thus not deciding on that) to help cheaters, building a reputation for the game making other new players even more readily come to the conclusion to be cheated by the players that are just better at it. iGP Manager appearing rather simple on the surface doesn't help as it also masks a bit the depths making it possible to make a difference as a manager. But also for the community to learn and build a reputation of trust in the game in order to foremost look for the fault in the own knowledge if someone appearingly easily defeats everyone in a league.


Totally get that Frank.


Been gaming professionally for over 10 years and iGP truly without a doubt is one of a kind.
I understand wanting to find a balance so as not to alienate players but still that can’t excuse repeated crazy behavior. I use crazy for a lack of better word. I mean if one manager consistently calls everyone that beats him a cheater for over three years ?‍♂️.

This post is referring to managers with such repeated behaviours.

Even something as small as a pinned post from iGP in the forum with stuff like “Please do not bully others or call them a cheat without providing evidence to back your claim. We take such matters seriously. Kindly contact your host, mod or support staff privately before making allegations” will go a long way.
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medal 5306
3 years 7 days ago (Last edited by Antonio Ascari 3 years 7 days ago)

Frank
The problem is that iGP Manager is one of few games that really handle everything important on the server. Some of those players and hosts are not out to bully but genuinely believe there's cheating as it's rampant in some other games, that are rely on their clients to handle some of the calculations to ease load.

So it's a tough learning experience for everyone. For the ones handing out punishment, as too lenient makes the ones wronged feel bad but too harsh makes the ones wrongly believing they are in the right just leave and accuse the iGP staff (I'm just ordinary mod and thus not deciding on that) to help cheaters, building a reputation for the game making other new players even more readily come to the conclusion to be cheated by the players that are just better at it. iGP Manager appearing rather simple on the surface doesn't help as it also masks a bit the depths making it possible to make a difference as a manager. But also for the community to learn and build a reputation of trust in the game in order to foremost look for the fault in the own knowledge if someone appearingly easily defeats everyone in a league.


Totally get that Frank.


Been gaming professionally for over 10 years and iGP truly without a doubt is one of a kind.
I understand wanting to find a balance so as not to alienate players but still that can’t excuse repeated crazy behavior. I use crazy for a lack of better word. I mean if one manager consistently calls everyone that beats him a cheater for over three years ?‍♂️.

This post is referring to managers with such repeated behaviours.

Even something as small as a pinned post from iGP in the forum with stuff like “Please do not bully others or call them a cheat without providing evidence to back your claim. We take such matters seriously. Kindly contact your host, mod or support staff privately before making allegations” will go a long way.


Or a protocol for handling bullying, I mean a sort of scenario whereas every complaint gets a similar treatment. Because now, the action taken is all over the board, sometimes in private message, sometimes a mod on league board, I’ve seen jose post on league board, …


Its all good intentions, I’m not doubting that for a second, but shouldnt it be more consistent? In my opinion, the studio should invest in tackling bullying in a consistent, grown up manner.

And I repeat myself: same with offensive names (manager and teamnames). And although offensive is not the same for all, there surely are names we all find offensive
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medal 5000
3 years 6 days ago

Antonio

Frank
The problem is that iGP Manager is one of few games that really handle everything important on the server. Some of those players and hosts are not out to bully but genuinely believe there's cheating as it's rampant in some other games, that are rely on their clients to handle some of the calculations to ease load.

So it's a tough learning experience for everyone. For the ones handing out punishment, as too lenient makes the ones wronged feel bad but too harsh makes the ones wrongly believing they are in the right just leave and accuse the iGP staff (I'm just ordinary mod and thus not deciding on that) to help cheaters, building a reputation for the game making other new players even more readily come to the conclusion to be cheated by the players that are just better at it. iGP Manager appearing rather simple on the surface doesn't help as it also masks a bit the depths making it possible to make a difference as a manager. But also for the community to learn and build a reputation of trust in the game in order to foremost look for the fault in the own knowledge if someone appearingly easily defeats everyone in a league.


Totally get that Frank.


Been gaming professionally for over 10 years and iGP truly without a doubt is one of a kind.
I understand wanting to find a balance so as not to alienate players but still that can’t excuse repeated crazy behavior. I use crazy for a lack of better word. I mean if one manager consistently calls everyone that beats him a cheater for over three years ?‍♂️.

This post is referring to managers with such repeated behaviours.

Even something as small as a pinned post from iGP in the forum with stuff like “Please do not bully others or call them a cheat without providing evidence to back your claim. We take such matters seriously. Kindly contact your host, mod or support staff privately before making allegations” will go a long way.


Or a protocol for handling bullying, I mean a sort of scenario whereas every complaint gets a similar treatment. Because now, the action taken is all over the board, sometimes in private message, sometimes a mod on league board, I’ve seen jose post on league board, …


Its all good intentions, I’m not doubting that for a second, but shouldnt it be more consistent? In my opinion, the studio should invest in tackling bullying in a consistent, grown up manner.

And I repeat myself: same with offensive names (manager and teamnames). And although offensive is not the same for all, there surely are names we all find offensive




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medal 5235
2 years 365 days ago
Report players everyone. This time and again is the only way to resolve this. If you witness this behaviour or offensive names. I'm Sure forced corrections, suspensions or closures of accounts would be actioned. Use the available resources and help the team. They cannot spend time going around and looking at millions of accounts when you can by change spot something easily, report it and they'll do the work to resolve it. As a former senior regional administrator for a large gaming community. You are the eyes and ears of the Moderators. Bring it to their attention.
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