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Saudi Arabian race winner?

Who will win the Saudi Arabian Grand Prix?

54.55% (18)
Sir Lewis Hamilton
9.09% (3)
Valtteri Bottas
27.27% (9)
Max Verstappen
3.03% (1)
Charles Leclerc
0% (0)
Sergio Perez
0% (0)
Pierre Gasly
0% (0)
Lando Norris
0% (0)
Yuki Tsunoda
0% (0)
Esteban Ocon
6.06% (2)
Antonio Giovinazzi
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medal 6393
54 days ago
Sir Lewis Hamilton took the pole but who will win the first ever F1 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix? 
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medal 5024
54 days ago
Lewis Hamilton for the win, only if Max Crash-happen does not orchestrate a collosal first lap collision.

In that scenario, it would be Sergio Perez, or Pierre Gasly who wins the race.
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medal 5396
54 days ago

Mark
Lewis Hamilton for the win, only if Max Crash-happen does not orchestrate a collosal first lap collision.

In that scenario, it would be Sergio Perez, or Pierre Gasly who wins the race.



Once again, who is Max Crash-happen? I have never heard of him. I do know a Max Verstappen who is leading the F1 driver's championship and has more wins than Lewis Hamilton in 2021 though.




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medal 6393
53 days ago
Well done to all 10 managers who got the poll correct with Sir Lewis Hamilton taking the first ever F1 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix win 👏. 
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medal 5370 Super Mod
53 days ago
They're tying in the championship into Abu Dhabi. 
Either of them could win... it'll be very interesting. 
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medal 5024
53 days ago

Connor
They're tying in the championship into Abu Dhabi. 
Either of them could win... it'll be very interesting. 

Currently they are, the dirty Crash-happen park car in the middle of the straight move will he investigated after the race, so may be up to +25.0s on the race time...
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medal 5451
53 days ago

Mark

Connor
They're tying in the championship into Abu Dhabi. 
Either of them could win... it'll be very interesting. 

Currently they are, the dirty Crash-happen park car in the middle of the straight move will he investigated after the race, so may be up to +25.0s on the race time...



Once again, Who is Crash-happen??? You won’t answer me 🤷‍♂️
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medal 5127 Community Manager
53 days ago
Reminder: Comments that are not respectful of other opinions will be automatically deleted by the moderators.
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medal 5024
53 days ago
Breaking news:

Crash-happen receives a +10 second penalty for 'erratic driving and causing a collision' also known as a brake test.

Despite a total of +15 seconds in various penalties, the final position is the same. Final gap to Lewis Hamilton: +21.825s
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medal 5174
53 days ago
Can't we admit that both drivers are clearly above the rest in the current field and ultimately all these little things add up for a great show and despite the various opinions around, both of them deserve to win the Championship?

P.S. You'll find more friends on social media than here with that attitude and the unnecessary calling of names.
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medal 4898
52 days ago
Mark
Breaking news:

Crash-happen receives a +10 second penalty for 'erratic driving and causing a collision' also known as a brake test.

Despite a total of +15 seconds in various penalties, the final position is the same. Final gap to Lewis Hamilton: +21.825s



Was the 10 secs deserved though? In my opinion, the Radio messages were absolute crap there, 5 secs would be enough, especially because no one cares now since the finishing is the same... and don't forget what Lewis did as well, that battle was nothing but dirty driving

Edit: I'm more than ready for the war here...
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medal 5024
52 days ago
Nico
Was the 10 secs deserved though? In my opinion, the Radio messages were absolute crap there, 5 secs would be enough, especially because no one cares now since the finishing is the same... and don't forget what Lewis did as well, that battle was nothing but dirty driving

Edit: I'm more than ready for the war here...

I do not agree with the +10 seconds penalty either, as I believe it should be a more severe penalty.


The reasons being: that part of the track is normally raced at 300 kph. Verstappen choose to initially lift off, and then very importantly, Verstappen choose to apply the brakes, whilst the car was in the middle of the narrow section of track (to around 150 kph), all the time looking at his left wing mirror to see where Lewis was on the track.

The slight left turn from Verstappen to the cover the track as the cars were enroaching further solidifies this opinion, that it was a deliberate manoeuvre. Which side of the track was Lewis meant to pass him back on, if Verstappen insisted on wanting to be on the middle of the narrow section of track?

We may have some biases naturally, but view the onboard angles online, especially from Verstappen. Note how many times he looks a his left wing mirror. This is why, in my opinion, it was a deliberate manoeuvre, a manoeuvre in the same category as Schumacher 1994 Adelaide and Schumacher 1997 Jerez

Ps. And no war needed, just race discussions 😄 But loving the silence from the Verstappen fans, maybe they are thinking up reasons why it was Lewis's fault that Max brakes in the middle of a narrow section of track, that is normally taken at 300 kph
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medal 4930
52 days ago
I do not understand the judges' decisions, Max let him go but Lewis went too wide. I also do not understand why there was no SC behind VSC.
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medal 4898
52 days ago (Last edited by Nico Katt 52 days ago)
Mark
Nico
Was the 10 secs deserved though? In my opinion, the Radio messages were absolute crap there, 5 secs would be enough, especially because no one cares now since the finishing is the same... and don't forget what Lewis did as well, that battle was nothing but dirty driving

Edit: I'm more than ready for the war here...

I do not agree with the +10 seconds penalty either, as I believe it should be a more severe penalty.


The reasons being: that part of the track is normally raced at 300 kph. Verstappen choose to initially lift off, and then very importantly, Verstappen choose to apply the brakes, whilst the car was in the middle of the narrow section of track (to around 150 kph), all the time looking at his left wing mirror to see where Lewis was on the track.

The slight left turn from Verstappen to the cover the track as the cars were enroaching further solidifies this opinion, that it was a deliberate manoeuvre. Which side of the track was Lewis meant to pass him back on, if Verstappen insisted on wanting to be on the middle of the narrow section of track?

We may have some biases naturally, but view the onboard angles online, especially from Verstappen. Note how many times he looks a his left wing mirror. This is why, in my opinion, it was a deliberate manoeuvre, a manoeuvre in the same category as Schumacher 1994 Adelaide and Schumacher 1997 Jerez

Ps. And no war needed, just race discussions 😄 But loving the silence from the Verstappen fans, maybe they are thinking up reasons why it was Lewis's fault that Max brakes in the middle of a narrow section of track, that is normally taken at 300 kph



Even more severe? Back down a bit, Lewis won the race anyway, so there's no need. And we've all been waiting for a true title fight again, and now we have it and still no one is really happy😐 in my opinion, Max's race engineer should pay a fine as well as he said he should let him pass "strategically" (before the DRS zone), meaning he should slow down ASAP. But as a driver with 15 years of experience, Lewis should have expected something like that, the DRS zone was a very crucial part of the track regarding the speed and overtaking. But the race was too chaotic and it should get off the calendar to avoid scenes like that in the future.
Edit: have seen the onboards, why on earth did Hamilton brake instead of passing with lots of room on the left?
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medal 5127 Community Manager
52 days ago
But the race was too chaotic and it should get off the calendar to avoid scenes like that in the future.


Are you serious?
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medal 4898
52 days ago (Last edited by Nico Katt 52 days ago)
José
But the race was too chaotic and it should get off the calendar to avoid scenes like that in the future.


Are you serious?



Yes, because all those blind corners and stuff... idk, it's been - when no safety car or red flag - a great race, that's no question. It's not that it is because of the action or the track, it's because of the narrowness. Make it only 3 metres wider and I'm okay with it, and get off DRS and it'll be a perfect racetrack. But because of the drama about a single bit of pace advantage... maybe return in 2023 again, but for now it was clear that the workers were under too much pressure to get it done in time. Make a few improvements and get a new race director (or penalty system, one of them) and then get back there. Didn't mean to say it should stay off the calendar, sorry😅
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medal 5844
52 days ago
I am not a fan of either of the top 2 but after watching all of the races this season it would appear the FIA have a serious dislike of Max V and will look to hinder him whenever possible with the highest penalty available to them on the other hand I feel Lewis has been dealt with very leniently earlier in the season. I prefer Charles Leclerc who I believe will be a champion of the future.
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medal 5529 Moderator
51 days ago

Mark
Nico
Was the 10 secs deserved though? In my opinion, the Radio messages were absolute crap there, 5 secs would be enough, especially because no one cares now since the finishing is the same... and don't forget what Lewis did as well, that battle was nothing but dirty driving

Edit: I'm more than ready for the war here...

I do not agree with the +10 seconds penalty either, as I believe it should be a more severe penalty.


The reasons being: that part of the track is normally raced at 300 kph. Verstappen choose to initially lift off, and then very importantly, Verstappen choose to apply the brakes, whilst the car was in the middle of the narrow section of track (to around 150 kph), all the time looking at his left wing mirror to see where Lewis was on the track.

The slight left turn from Verstappen to the cover the track as the cars were enroaching further solidifies this opinion, that it was a deliberate manoeuvre. Which side of the track was Lewis meant to pass him back on, if Verstappen insisted on wanting to be on the middle of the narrow section of track?

We may have some biases naturally, but view the onboard angles online, especially from Verstappen. Note how many times he looks a his left wing mirror. This is why, in my opinion, it was a deliberate manoeuvre, a manoeuvre in the same category as Schumacher 1994 Adelaide and Schumacher 1997 Jerez

Ps. And no war needed, just race discussions 😄 But loving the silence from the Verstappen fans, maybe they are thinking up reasons why it was Lewis's fault that Max brakes in the middle of a narrow section of track, that is normally taken at 300 kph

Of course it was deliberate, he was ordered to let Lewis pass and thus did so and checked if Lewis takes it as Max had to be ready or miss the chance to take the position back again. But Lewis didn't take the bait after slowing more gently so Max applied a bit of brake in order to have either Lewis do pass or go on and saying 'I clearly did try, he didn't want to and I can't go on slow all day until his lordship is ready to pass by', but Lewis didn't want to go by just there but also wanted to stay close and ready once Max accelerates so he can use the DRS, but this time, despite all experience, he either didn't anticipate the move or was sleeping a bit and couldn't avoid running into the back.


However while the plan might look logical to Max at the time it was a stupid move to brake, so I actually think this 10 seconds penalty is pretty much right on target for a change. It doesn't directly influences the championship battle but able to send out a signal that the stewards had enough Kindergarten now.

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medal 4898
51 days ago

Frank

Mark
Nico
Was the 10 secs deserved though? In my opinion, the Radio messages were absolute crap there, 5 secs would be enough, especially because no one cares now since the finishing is the same... and don't forget what Lewis did as well, that battle was nothing but dirty driving

Edit: I'm more than ready for the war here...

I do not agree with the +10 seconds penalty either, as I believe it should be a more severe penalty.


The reasons being: that part of the track is normally raced at 300 kph. Verstappen choose to initially lift off, and then very importantly, Verstappen choose to apply the brakes, whilst the car was in the middle of the narrow section of track (to around 150 kph), all the time looking at his left wing mirror to see where Lewis was on the track.

The slight left turn from Verstappen to the cover the track as the cars were enroaching further solidifies this opinion, that it was a deliberate manoeuvre. Which side of the track was Lewis meant to pass him back on, if Verstappen insisted on wanting to be on the middle of the narrow section of track?

We may have some biases naturally, but view the onboard angles online, especially from Verstappen. Note how many times he looks a his left wing mirror. This is why, in my opinion, it was a deliberate manoeuvre, a manoeuvre in the same category as Schumacher 1994 Adelaide and Schumacher 1997 Jerez

Ps. And no war needed, just race discussions 😄 But loving the silence from the Verstappen fans, maybe they are thinking up reasons why it was Lewis's fault that Max brakes in the middle of a narrow section of track, that is normally taken at 300 kph

Of course it was deliberate, he was ordered to let Lewis pass and thus did so and checked if Lewis takes it as Max had to be ready or miss the chance to take the position back again. But Lewis didn't take the bait after slowing more gently so Max applied a bit of brake in order to have either Lewis do pass or go on and saying 'I clearly did try, he didn't want to and I can't go on slow all day until his lordship is ready to pass by', but Lewis didn't want to go by just there but also wanted to stay close and ready once Max accelerates so he can use the DRS, but this time, despite all experience, he either didn't anticipate the move or was sleeping a bit and couldn't avoid running into the back.


However while the plan might look logical to Max at the time it was a stupid move to brake, so I actually think this 10 seconds penalty is pretty much right on target for a change. It doesn't directly influences the championship battle but able to send out a signal that the stewards had enough Kindergarten now.




That ain't just Kindergarten anymore, that's just straight up trying to manipulate the other as much as they can. I think the best solution would be a final warning for both if anything happens in Abu Dhabi, the driver at fault will be DSQ'd from the race (if not having to retire anyway) and the other one will win the WDC immediately.
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medal 4986 Super Mod
51 days ago
Max holds the advantage, if neither of them finish he is World Champion. Lewis has to be careful, Max has nothing to lose.

We saw Schumacher do it to Hill in Australia in 1994 and he tried it again (unsuccessfully) against Villeneuve in 1997.

Senna also did the same to Prost at Suzuka in 1990. He took Prost out at Turn 1, neither finished the race and Senna was crowned Champion.
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