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Toto Wolff medal 5000
2 years 142 days ago
Since the upcoming update is bringing the refuelling ban, I suggest you to separate Tyre Push Level from Fuel Push Level. Otherwise, there will be no point of this refuelling ban.. 
I mean let's say on a race of 54 laps, you put enough fuel for 54 laps on medium push level. But after the race starts you notice that it is so cold, which means you should set the push level to level 5, but if you do so you will run out of fuel way before the race ends. And if you leave it on the medium push level, then your tyres will be super cold and that will make you much slower. 
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Primordial Black medal 5150
2 years 142 days ago

ALaa
Since the upcoming update is bringing the refuelling ban, I suggest you to separate Tyre Push Level from Fuel Push Level. Otherwise, there will be no point of this refuelling ban.. 
I mean let's say on a race of 54 laps, you put enough fuel for 54 laps on medium push level. But after the race starts you notice that it is so cold, which means you should set the push level to level 5, but if you do so you will run out of fuel way before the race ends. And if you leave it on the medium push level, then your tyres will be super cold and that will make you much slower. 


Where exactly did you see your info about refuelling ban?

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Toto Wolff medal 5000
2 years 142 days ago

Chasing

ALaa
Since the upcoming update is bringing the refuelling ban, I suggest you to separate Tyre Push Level from Fuel Push Level. Otherwise, there will be no point of this refuelling ban.. 
I mean let's say on a race of 54 laps, you put enough fuel for 54 laps on medium push level. But after the race starts you notice that it is so cold, which means you should set the push level to level 5, but if you do so you will run out of fuel way before the race ends. And if you leave it on the medium push level, then your tyres will be super cold and that will make you much slower. 


Where exactly did you see your info about refuelling ban?



Here
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Kevin Bissell medal 5001 Super Mod
2 years 141 days ago
Isn't that part of the management skills, looking at the circuit and the temperature and understanding what PL you're likely to need?
If you really don't know you always have the option of loading an extra few litres as a contingency.
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Toto Wolff medal 5000
2 years 141 days ago
Kevin
Isn't that part of the management skills, looking at the circuit and the temperature and understanding what PL you're likely to need?
If you really don't know you always have the option of loading an extra few litres as a contingency.


 If you are talking about management skills, there is something called tyre management and there is a completely other different thing which is called fuel management. And you can't manage them both with one option while you are holding 240 litres of fuel, because no one knows how tyre temperature behaves. 


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Kevin Bissell medal 5001 Super Mod
2 years 141 days ago

ALaa

You can't manage them both with one option while you are holding 240 litres of fuel, because no one knows how tyre temperature behaves. 



I disagree, If I know the ambient temperature I have a very good idea what PL I will need to run at each circuit to keep  the tyres at the correct temperature. 

The only thing that might throw this is if weather changes during the race and that's why I also look at the forecast.

Like I said, if you're worried then add a few litres for contingency and accept the fact you're probably going to be a bit slower than someone who has calculated fuel load more precisely (but may run out before the end of the race LOL).

Having two types of push is probably not going to happen because of the limitations of screen space on mobile devices. It's difficult enough as it is trying to control two cars without adding another variable which needs to be adjusted.
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Archie Bald medal 5004
2 years 141 days ago

ALaa

Chasing

ALaa
Since the upcoming update is bringing the refuelling ban, I suggest you to separate Tyre Push Level from Fuel Push Level. Otherwise, there will be no point of this refuelling ban.. 
I mean let's say on a race of 54 laps, you put enough fuel for 54 laps on medium push level. But after the race starts you notice that it is so cold, which means you should set the push level to level 5, but if you do so you will run out of fuel way before the race ends. And if you leave it on the medium push level, then your tyres will be super cold and that will make you much slower. 


Where exactly did you see your info about refuelling ban?



Here



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Dortmund Simp medal 5000
2 years 141 days ago
The temperature can always change, so It’s not fair to be stuck with this system which is not at all realistic. When, in any form of motorsport do you see drivers treating fuel and tires the exact same way in terms of pushing. It makes no sense not to do this. I fear it will be rejected as every time this has been suggested, but why not make this another league rule then everyone is happy.
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Dick Dastardly medal 5105
2 years 141 days ago

Dortmund
The temperature can always change, so It’s not fair to be stuck with this system which is not at all realistic. When, in any form of motorsport do you see drivers treating fuel and tires the exact same way in terms of pushing. It makes no sense not to do this. I fear it will be rejected as every time this has been suggested, but why not make this another league rule then everyone is happy.



I doubt this is a simple change that could be included as an optional extra.  It would involve a more fundamental reworking of the coding.  As Kevin said it is relatively easy to work this out especially if you record everything from previous races in similar weather conditions.


How can it not be fair if it affects everyone in the same way?  This isn’t a racing simulation, nor is it F1, it is a formula racing management game which is designed to be played on all manner of devices from PC down to mobile phone meaning the game choices/interface have to be relatively simple.
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Kevin Bissell medal 5001 Super Mod
2 years 141 days ago
Where in any form of motorsport do you see tyres getting hot as they breeze along the straight and cool down when under high load in the twisty bits?

Personally I don't have a problem with this suggestion, it's a good idea, but as I said earlier, the size of some mobile phones might prevent the Devs from making the interface more complicated. If it were to be made available only to PC or Tablet users it wouldn't be fair.
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Dortmund Simp medal 5000
2 years 141 days ago

Kevin
Where in any form of motorsport do you see tyres getting hot as they breeze along the straight and cool down when under high load in the twisty bits?

Personally I don't have a problem with this suggestion, it's a good idea, but as I said earlier, the size of some mobile phones might prevent the Devs from making the interface more complicated. If it were to be made available only to PC or Tablet users it wouldn't be fair.

Smaller screens mean the content is shrunk with it. Also It can be quite unobtrusive. I think it can also be under team radio, with Tire push level, and then fuel push level below, which would make it hardly any bigger. And I’d argue this is a bigger strategy improvement than just changing the push levels depending on the temperature.


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Kevin Bissell medal 5001 Super Mod
2 years 139 days ago
If you're only changing PL because of temperature you're possibly missing a trick.

Regarding the phones, it never ceases to amaze me how people can manage two cars, adjust PL, monitor tyre temp, monitor the gap to the car in front / behind, use boost, modify strategy to cater for changeable weather etc.

Giving these guys something else to monitor and adjust might be too much, even if the control could be made to fit on the screen. I only ever play on PC so I'd be interested to hear the views of those who play on their phone.
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Dortmund Simp medal 5000
2 years 139 days ago

Kevin
If you're only changing PL because of temperature you're possibly missing a trick.

Regarding the phones, it never ceases to amaze me how people can manage two cars, adjust PL, monitor tyre temp, monitor the gap to the car in front / behind, use boost, modify strategy to cater for changeable weather etc.

Giving these guys something else to monitor and adjust might be too much, even if the control could be made to fit on the screen. I only ever play on PC so I'd be interested to hear the views of those who play on their phone.


I don’t think it’s much difference to measure how much fuel you have left and tire temps. But then again I’m in a 1 car league. Maybe if that’s introduced we should be able to see the fuel delta (how much left over we’ll have before the pit stop end of the race).

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