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medal 5000
2 years 201 days ago (Last edited by Harry Redhead 2 years 199 days ago)
I apologise if this is a redundant or repeated suggestion, I played the game around 5 years ago and know that tyres were a huge point of contention then and seem to still be an issue.

From the last month of racing, and looking on the forums, it seems that only 3 of the 5 dry compounds are actually usable at all, being Super Soft, Soft and sometimes Medium. Hards & Super Hards almost never work, yet new players often run these tyres, see how shockingly bad they are, and have a sense that the game is heavily unbalanced.

The fact that only 3 of the 5 tyres being usable is actually quite co-incidental, however, as this opens an opportunity to pull the compounds in-line with the 2019 compound change in F1. Scrapping the Hard & Super Hard compounds, and renaming the remaining 3 compounds to Soft, Medium & Hard, will help newer players without limiting strategy options (considering that Hards/Super Hards have no strategic use anyway), as well as help new players who may have only known recent F1 rules get used to the game.

Again, apologies if this is already in the pipe-line/already rejected, I had went through the last 4 months of suggestions and couldn't find anything! 

Edit: No idea where I got Super Hards from!
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medal 5000
2 years 201 days ago
Super Hards?  There are no Super Hard tyres ?

There are just SS, S, M, H plus Inters and Wets
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medal 5000
2 years 201 days ago

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Super Hards?  There are no Super Hard tyres ?

There are just SS, S, M, H plus Inters and Wets



Lol, was also confused.
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medal 5188
2 years 201 days ago
Tyres have always been an issue, as it is now I would remove the Hard and make the working tyre temperature more relevant. I think the problem is that at any temperature you can use the SS and as expected they are faster than the softs and the softs are faster than the mediums.
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medal 5026
2 years 200 days ago
I want to continue this thread because I noticed a weird behaviour. Quick race, hungary, sunny, 5 celsius, only one opponent: after 8 laps my opponent was 50 seconds behind and already did his stop. I had enough gap to test what happens when rain stops and I remain on Intermediate for 6 laps.

Unbelievable: I was 1 second faster than my best lap in first stint with medium tyres and the tyre degradation was comparable to a soft tyre.

Tyres need a fix!!!
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medal 5000
2 years 199 days ago

Giovanni
I want to continue this thread because I noticed a weird behaviour. Quick race, hungary, sunny, 5 celsius, only one opponent: after 8 laps my opponent was 50 seconds behind and already did his stop. I had enough gap to test what happens when rain stops and I remain on Intermediate for 6 laps.

Unbelievable: I was 1 second faster than my best lap in first stint with medium tyres and the tyre degradation was comparable to a soft tyre.

Tyres need a fix!!!

Inter faster than dry tyres in the dry? That is mad


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medal 5000
2 years 199 days ago (Last edited by Harry Redhead 2 years 199 days ago)
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Super Hards?  There are no Super Hard tyres ?

There are just SS, S, M, H plus Inters and Wets



Ah I'm being daft! Yeah, just the Hards!

Ghost Rider

Tyres have always been an issue, as it is now I would remove the Hard and make the working tyre temperature more relevant. I think the problem is that at any temperature you can use the SS and as expected they are faster than the softs and the softs are faster than the mediums.


That's what I was thinking, if the tyres were more situational, so Super Softs/Softs didn't work in 30C-35C heat, which they shouldn't, it would promote the use of other compounds.
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medal 5293
2 years 199 days ago (Last edited by Amelia Lyons 2 years 199 days ago)
Tyres are way too stretched out. In 100% no-refuel races, I can't see the Hards benefiting even in Malaysia/China in the height of summer. They're just too slow.

In regards to Temperature and wear levels they should operate where in certain temperatures they do not grip at all or have accelerated wear where far too hot. For example is an example from Pirelli on their C1-5s



Lets Benchmark the Soft Tyre (our C2) to last 20 laps on average and give relative simple Durability and pace expectancy to the other tyres allow an idea how they are to operating/durability/pace difference. 


Tyre | durability difference per laps | Time difference per 1s relative to % | Operating Temp Low to Operating Temp High

Super Soft | 12-15 Laps (-25% to -40%) | -0.4s to -0.6s | 85C to 115C
Soft | 20 Laps (100%) | 0s | 90C to 120C
Medium | 25-32 Laps (+25% to +62.5%) | +0.4s to +0.8s | 105C to 135C
Hard | 28 to 35 Laps (+40% to +75%) | +0.7 to + 1.2s |  110C to 135C
Super Hard | 30 to 40 Laps (+50% to +100%) | +1s + 1.5s | 110C to 140C*

This makes that there is 3 tyres always relative, quick enough and competitive with each other but some having more advantage than others *and threw in Super Hards merely for reference if iGP were interested in adding it.




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medal 5000
2 years 199 days ago

David
Tyres are way too stretched out. In 100% no-refuel races, I can't see the Hards benefiting even in Malaysia/China in the height of summer. They're just too slow.



I agree, often Mediums are 1-1.5 seconds slower than Softs, yet Pirelli's 2018 tests had Mediums at just 0.6-0.8 seconds slower than Softs, which allowed them to be usable.
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medal 5293
2 years 199 days ago

Harry

David
Tyres are way too stretched out. In 100% no-refuel races, I can't see the Hards benefiting even in Malaysia/China in the height of summer. They're just too slow.



I agree, often Mediums are 1-1.5 seconds slower than Softs, yet Pirelli's 2018 tests had Mediums at just 0.6-0.8 seconds slower than Softs, which allowed them to be usable.



Updated post with an idea :P

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