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Setting Fuel on Grid

Hi,

Ive just had a race in Great Britain and an idea got into my head just before the race 
Is there any possibility of adding a feature that would allow you to change fuel on the grid (as you could with refuelling)
In my mind this would be a great addition and hope the develepors think about it

Thanks!

Remember, fuel usage isn't sensitive to weather conditions. Just figure out your refueling and set it any time throughout the week!

Except fuel usage is affected by PL, which is affected by temperature so setting fuel way before the race is a bad idea.

Yet it is the current way the game is created right now.

No it isn’t ?

I think that's a very good idea only for no refueling, because it's irrelevant whether you qualify in front or in the back.
Right now in no refuel races even if you realize the fuel load is clearly wrong you can't do anything to recover. A very punitive system in which the player may as well not participate in the live session.  

Also, as fuel load is fixed, there’s no way to change tactic in race and switch to a harder compound (example softs to meds) as push level would be higher and by consequence fuel consumption higher. 


Which is why i believe the better solution (imo better then being able to switch fuel load on grid) is simply to turn refuelling back on.

I mean, running out of fuel because you switched strategy is on you. My point was more about having the possibility to recover a race where you are for example 10-20L off your estimation because it didn't save or you forgot change it. 

Isn’t that the point of no refuelling?  You set your fuel load based on expected usage and your likely average PL based on temperature and track type plus a little bit extra for effect of boost  If you get this wrong you will be and should be penalised.  


It’s not exactly rocket science to work out what your expected fuel needs to be for a given race.  Some will take this right down to limit to be faster with a higher chance  of running out.  Others will add extra to give them a safety margin but at the risk of being slower.  This is essentially a strategy game that requires you to make decisions at the end of the day and all that is before you take into account the other managers in the race.  They set their fuel as per rules and you want to get the option mid race of changing your fuel load owing to making a mistake.  Where is the fairness in that?

I don’t see how you can know you have made a mistake until you are in the race so changing fuel on the grid would be pointless.  

Absolutely agree. The game must be played. I would add the 107% rule. Did not qualify in 107%, boxing entry. (DSC)

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In my opinion in no refuel races there isn't a valid reason for not enabling the refueling on the grid (before the race start) as you won't change fuel load because of quali position.
Imagine doing the strategy and car setup but forgetting to adjust the fuel in the advanced strategy. Now what? give up? and why? because your rivals don't want you in the race?

I agree that refueling on the grid is not an option for normal races as it could be exploited just changing the stints lengths based on the quali. Anyway the function has already been somewhat implemented. Why mixed weather is the exception? 

I’m sorry, I need to disagree. If you have a bad quali, you could resort to harder compounds in the strat, this would need more fuel (higher push level so more fuel required) so changing fuel on grid has valid reasons. 


Fuel is a decision more or less ‘on a knife’s edge’ so a good calculation could earn a win, a very similar one can make you run out of fuel and lose it all. Beeing able to recuperate from a very bad decision and still get a good result, this totally undermines the whole decision making and reward process behind it.

I see where your question comes from and I believe I understand the emotions behind it but I have to disagree. It’s a management game, bad decisions should earn you a bad result. The game can’t provide a back up for every bad decision a manager can make, regardless if the bad decision is caused by forgetting or not.

Take those races as a lesson and you’ll never forget to dubble check your advanced strat before race.

Then why it's alright for mixed weather? Wouldn't you change the strategy based on your quali? 


I still think having some flexibility would be better for the game experience. As you said you could use harder compounds in more stints to try recovering a bad quali, something that would be possible but still difficult, it's not like the others managers can't think for themselves, and if they don't then you're outsmarting them with a good strategy. wouldn't this be race management? And if you able to make a precise fuel estimation wouldn't this already be your advantage?

The less control we have and more it becomes an automated simulation.
With norefuel we have some not so wrong similarities with real F1 or motorsports, changing strategies because of quali position is nothing new.

I don’t agree.  If you break down your logic it’s  looking for a loophole to cover you if you make poor decisions or mistakes before qualifying and dressing it up as good strategy.  


Cars do change strategy in F1 ,  but they don’t change fuel once they are on the grid and neither should you in no refuelling races in this game.  Refuelling races are different and makes sense to change your fuels and fuel for each pit stop,  but not on the grid for first stint.  

Many managers makes mistakes, e.g. we have all forgotten to check weather prior to cut off and end up on dry tyres, sometimes we forget to save set up prior to qualifying etc   Should these be reset as well and if not why?  Making mistakes before the start of a no refuelling race is a pain I agree, but you need to take it on the chin and resolve not to repeat it.


Also qualifying position doesn’t have much impact on your finishing position if you have set the best strategy.  It’s not unusual to see a good experienced manager win races from a mid grid position since they usually are better at every aspect that affects their in race management.  You might change strategy mid race if things aren’t going well, but changing on the grid is a dumbing down of the game imo with the exception of dry to wet tyres or vice Versa.

Mixed weather is something totally different imo, as racing conditions can heavily change in the ten minutes between cut off and race start.


You ask for flexibility, in essence to get rid of the cut off for fuel. I personally don’t like this, I don’t like no refuelling as a whole but that’s my personal opinion.  If you look at ‘not so wrong similarities’ with real f1, respecting fuel cut off is also the right thing to do.

So it would become a sacrifice to real life similarities in order to provide a failsafe or backup for a bad decision, I’d say no thanks

Yeah I'd say this was a good idea. Plus there are a few bugs/special situations where your fuel level can be ruined even if you think you set it. And it will help people that might be running late for a race as well.

No reason not to do it really unless you are the sort of person to take pleasure in others misfortune.

Are you talking about running late to make setup and strategy changes, or running late for start of a race? In both cases train has already left the station.

No because you can do stratergy on the grid (other than starting tyre) that's actually not an issue or something you can't already do.


I mean you are for whatever reason held up with RL and have just a few min before qually. The fuel calc in no refuling is about 75% of the setup time. Just setting up your car and picking starting tyre only takes a couple of minutes if that.

If you don't set up the car, it won't perform enough for win. If you don't set up your strategy, you will have to do the qualifying with mediums, not very good qualifying tyre. You can change the strategy on fly, but you will still be on back of the grid if your league is competitive.