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Dario Jp
1 year 347 days ago (Last edited by Dario Jp 1 year 347 days ago)

This will be as popular as Michael Jackson moving next to a school. I suggest making the set up for your car changes randomly every race, every season. You gain no revenue the way it currently is, as we all just write it down and use it next season. I like the idea of some managers not being on the ideal strategy giving the game a tiny bit more depth. This would increase revenue as most will use the 3 tokens to ideal setup.

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
1 year 347 days ago (Last edited by Kevin Bissell 1 year 347 days ago)

This is something that has been suggested before some time ago, I liked the idea back then and I still like it.

Edit:
BTW, assuming the current range of 1-25 Rookie, 1-50 Pro and 1-100 Elite it is possible to find the correct settings for Rookie and Pro in 5 practice laps without resorting to purchasing the ideal setup.

Elite you would get close but to guarantee the correct settings you would need an accomplice in a one-car league or be in a two-car league to get the settings spot on.

Skid Solo
1 year 347 days ago

Kevin

This is something that has been suggested before some time ago, I liked the idea back then and I still like it.

Edit:
BTW, assuming the current range of 1-25 Rookie, 1-50 Pro and 1-100 Elite it is possible to find the correct settings for Rookie and Pro in 5 practice laps without resorting to purchasing the ideal setup.

Elite you would get close but to guarantee the correct settings you would need an accomplice in a one-car league or be in a two-car league to get the settings spot on.

Isn’t that why this idea wouldn’t deliver as intended? Some managers would just buy tokens and others would work out a way (such as you describe above) to get round it meaning there would be little if any change to races.

Experienced managers would use the work arounds and inexperienced managers would probably do nothing with a few others buying tokens. End result? The experienced managers would have adapted and continue to win and the inexperienced managers would continue to struggle.

It isn’t that the idea is bad or unpopular, just that it wouldn’t provide the outcome desired by the OP, apart from a small increase in revenue for iGP assuming those who use tokens buy packs to replenish these. However, this not certain as you can earn 3 tokens per race and adding in the perfect setups you get from dailies you might not ever need to buy more packs.

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
1 year 347 days ago

For me it means there is another challenge. Something to think about and work out for yourself instead of just copying a set of known values which have been "helpfully" posted in the guide.

It's not so much about the revenue, personally I think a management game should be more complex and this would be a small step towards achieving greater complexity.

Antonio Ascari
1 year 346 days ago

Kevin

For me it means there is another challenge. Something to think about and work out for yourself instead of just copying a set of known values which have been "helpfully" posted in the guide.

It's not so much about the revenue, personally I think a management game should be more complex and this would be a small step towards achieving greater complexity.

Agreed, complexity may need some improvement but I would not do it in car setup as it’s not observed as a real thing, your car changing setup every time again. I know a lot of things are contrary to real racing in igp, but this would add a new level of weirdness imo

Frank Thomas Moderator
1 year 346 days ago (Last edited by Frank Thomas 1 year 346 days ago)

Not that weird though. While some things are more or less constant, like the layout of the track, other things are changing. Some slowly like the track surface and curbs, others rapidly like the cars, weather and overall conditions. We're seeing it currently in F1, despite all that assembled knowledge and experience with cars and engineering brain power and simulation data present they stumble occasionally completely in the dark when it comes to getting the setup right.

There's only one problem with iGP there, unlike design our setup is weirdly specific with wings and ride height. With bars like tolerant <-> precision, agility <-> stability and cornering <-> speed a setup for a track would and should still have a certain character but much more freedom for variation.

Steven Clift
1 year 346 days ago

I really dislike this idea. It devalues in-race management and just makes the races a roll of the dice as to who wins instead of people who take time to properly align their strategies

Don't see much logic here.

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
1 year 346 days ago

How does it devalue in-race management? Ideal setup would still be the fastest but instead of essentially copy/pasting values into the setup tab you'd actually need to run test laps and zero in on the ideal setup.

At the moment the setup tab is a waste of everyone's time. The best values for each circuit are always the same, the only time they change is if it rains or you use a different height driver from previous races at the same track. Even these are known offsets so TBH as it stands right now the setup page may as well default to the best settings because there's no skill in finding the ideal setup for each circuit.

We've been discussing this on the volunteer Discord server, there are a number of ways it could be implemented but if you don't like the idea, don't worry, I can't see it being implemented any time soon.

Steven Clift
1 year 346 days ago

Kevin

How does it devalue in-race management? Ideal setup would still be the fastest but instead of essentially copy/pasting values into the setup tab you'd actually need to run test laps and zero in on the ideal setup.

At the moment the setup tab is a waste of everyone's time. The best values for each circuit are always the same, the only time they change is if it rains or you use a different height driver from previous races at the same track. Even these are known offsets so TBH as it stands right now the setup page may as well default to the best settings because there's no skill in finding the ideal setup for each circuit.

We've been discussing this on the volunteer Discord server, there are a number of ways it could be implemented but if you don't like the idea, don't worry, I can't see it being implemented any time soon.

Alright, I'll explain my point for you.

The ideal setup would pretty much be irrelevant if the managers have no control and the setups are a roll of the dice. Yes, setups are sorta irrelevant but it's still worth it to set up and not have it be a game of whack-a-mole. The setup screen should be completely overhauled but I think it's still better to set up than make it random.

I respect people who disagree with my point but I'm sticking to my guns, it'd devalue strategy.

Archie Bald
1 year 346 days ago

Steven

Kevin

How does it devalue in-race management? Ideal setup would still be the fastest but instead of essentially copy/pasting values into the setup tab you'd actually need to run test laps and zero in on the ideal setup.

At the moment the setup tab is a waste of everyone's time. The best values for each circuit are always the same, the only time they change is if it rains or you use a different height driver from previous races at the same track. Even these are known offsets so TBH as it stands right now the setup page may as well default to the best settings because there's no skill in finding the ideal setup for each circuit.

We've been discussing this on the volunteer Discord server, there are a number of ways it could be implemented but if you don't like the idea, don't worry, I can't see it being implemented any time soon.

Alright, I'll explain my point for you.

The ideal setup would pretty much be irrelevant if the managers have no control and the setups are a roll of the dice. Yes, setups are sorta irrelevant but it's still worth it to set up and not have it be a game of whack-a-mole. The setup screen should be completely overhauled but I think it's still better to set up than make it random.

I respect people who disagree with my point but I'm sticking to my guns, it'd devalue strategy.

Maybe you misunderstood the wording.

Set up will be random as opposed to the already known values we have now. In case you did not know, there are set figures already established for every track and it’s public knowledge thanks to the hard work of some great managers.

You still need to set up but instead of just copying and pasting, now you will need to do practice laps to find the ideal set up.

John Doe
1 year 346 days ago

Setup is a flat area of the game. It needs a rework.
By looking track details you can guess in 5 attempts the best setup and if you take notes it becomes a boring waste of time.

The game could generate an ideal setup using race id. The developers could mantain a fixed part + a variable pseudo-random part for each setting (a low profile wing at Monaco would be weird as ideal setup). Temperatures could play a role, why not?

Steven Clift
1 year 345 days ago

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Steven

Kevin

How does it devalue in-race management? Ideal setup would still be the fastest but instead of essentially copy/pasting values into the setup tab you'd actually need to run test laps and zero in on the ideal setup.

At the moment the setup tab is a waste of everyone's time. The best values for each circuit are always the same, the only time they change is if it rains or you use a different height driver from previous races at the same track. Even these are known offsets so TBH as it stands right now the setup page may as well default to the best settings because there's no skill in finding the ideal setup for each circuit.

We've been discussing this on the volunteer Discord server, there are a number of ways it could be implemented but if you don't like the idea, don't worry, I can't see it being implemented any time soon.

Alright, I'll explain my point for you.

The ideal setup would pretty much be irrelevant if the managers have no control and the setups are a roll of the dice. Yes, setups are sorta irrelevant but it's still worth it to set up and not have it be a game of whack-a-mole. The setup screen should be completely overhauled but I think it's still better to set up than make it random.

I respect people who disagree with my point but I'm sticking to my guns, it'd devalue strategy.

Maybe you misunderstood the wording.

Set up will be random as opposed to the already known values we have now. In case you did not know, there are set figures already established for every track and it’s public knowledge thanks to the hard work of some great managers.

You still need to set up but instead of just copying and pasting, now you will need to do practice laps to find the ideal set up.

Okay I'll humor you mate.

Yes, I want to properly set up my car instead of it being completely randomized and risk being screwed out of a win.

So are you saying we should have 20 different winners? bc it seems like that's what you are saying.

I know there are set setups for every track but I think that's why the setup screen needs an overhaul - not enough to change for it to be random every race

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
1 year 345 days ago

Steven

You are completely misunderstanding what everyone is suggesting. There will always be an "ideal setup" for each circuit. What people are saying is that this ideal should change from season to season.

In this way you will not be able to simply copy a set of known values, as is the current case. Instead you will have to use your practice laps to zero in on the ideal setting, just like real life. This would add interest and complexity to an area of the game that has been dumbed down since being converted from browser only to one that is mobile friendly.

Here is a screenshot from this game before the August 2016 update...

Jacques Clouseau
1 year 345 days ago

Steven

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Steven

Kevin

How does it devalue in-race management? Ideal setup would still be the fastest but instead of essentially copy/pasting values into the setup tab you'd actually need to run test laps and zero in on the ideal setup.

At the moment the setup tab is a waste of everyone's time. The best values for each circuit are always the same, the only time they change is if it rains or you use a different height driver from previous races at the same track. Even these are known offsets so TBH as it stands right now the setup page may as well default to the best settings because there's no skill in finding the ideal setup for each circuit.

We've been discussing this on the volunteer Discord server, there are a number of ways it could be implemented but if you don't like the idea, don't worry, I can't see it being implemented any time soon.

Alright, I'll explain my point for you.

The ideal setup would pretty much be irrelevant if the managers have no control and the setups are a roll of the dice. Yes, setups are sorta irrelevant but it's still worth it to set up and not have it be a game of whack-a-mole. The setup screen should be completely overhauled but I think it's still better to set up than make it random.

I respect people who disagree with my point but I'm sticking to my guns, it'd devalue strategy.

Maybe you misunderstood the wording.

Set up will be random as opposed to the already known values we have now. In case you did not know, there are set figures already established for every track and it’s public knowledge thanks to the hard work of some great managers.

You still need to set up but instead of just copying and pasting, now you will need to do practice laps to find the ideal set up.

Okay I'll humor you mate.

Yes, I want to properly set up my car instead of it being completely randomized and risk being screwed out of a win.

So are you saying we should have 20 different winners? bc it seems like that's what you are saying.

I know there are set setups for every track but I think that's why the setup screen needs an overhaul - not enough to change for it to be random every race

Humor me? At least read to understand first before jumping...

John Doe
1 year 345 days ago

It was fantastic, much more complex than now. Why did they simplify it? Feedback had its sense, now they look like random placeholders on the screen. What a shame...

Steven Clift
1 year 345 days ago

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Steven

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Steven

Kevin

How does it devalue in-race management? Ideal setup would still be the fastest but instead of essentially copy/pasting values into the setup tab you'd actually need to run test laps and zero in on the ideal setup.

At the moment the setup tab is a waste of everyone's time. The best values for each circuit are always the same, the only time they change is if it rains or you use a different height driver from previous races at the same track. Even these are known offsets so TBH as it stands right now the setup page may as well default to the best settings because there's no skill in finding the ideal setup for each circuit.

We've been discussing this on the volunteer Discord server, there are a number of ways it could be implemented but if you don't like the idea, don't worry, I can't see it being implemented any time soon.

Alright, I'll explain my point for you.

The ideal setup would pretty much be irrelevant if the managers have no control and the setups are a roll of the dice. Yes, setups are sorta irrelevant but it's still worth it to set up and not have it be a game of whack-a-mole. The setup screen should be completely overhauled but I think it's still better to set up than make it random.

I respect people who disagree with my point but I'm sticking to my guns, it'd devalue strategy.

Maybe you misunderstood the wording.

Set up will be random as opposed to the already known values we have now. In case you did not know, there are set figures already established for every track and it’s public knowledge thanks to the hard work of some great managers.

You still need to set up but instead of just copying and pasting, now you will need to do practice laps to find the ideal set up.

Okay I'll humor you mate.

Yes, I want to properly set up my car instead of it being completely randomized and risk being screwed out of a win.

So are you saying we should have 20 different winners? bc it seems like that's what you are saying.

I know there are set setups for every track but I think that's why the setup screen needs an overhaul - not enough to change for it to be random every race

Humor me? At least read to understand first before jumping...

I read it but I disagree.

Read what I wrote - but I respect your opinion

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
1 year 345 days ago

Giovanni

It was fantastic, much more complex than now. Why did they simplify it? Feedback had its sense, now they look like random placeholders on the screen. What a shame...

They wanted to offer the game to a wider audience. Back in 2016 even the largest mobile phones had pretty small screens and the browser screenshot I posted above would probably have been too much to be functional given the hardware limitations.

Steven Clift
1 year 345 days ago

Kevin

Steven

You are completely misunderstanding what everyone is suggesting. There will always be an "ideal setup" for each circuit. What people are saying is that this ideal should change from season to season.

In this way you will not be able to simply copy a set of known values, as is the current case. Instead you will have to use your practice laps to zero in on the ideal setting, just like real life. This would add interest and complexity to an area of the game that has been dumbed down since being converted from browser only to one that is mobile friendly.

Here is a screenshot from this game before the August 2016 update...

I'm saying the ideal setup shouldn't be randomized - so technically you don't really understand what I'm saying. Read what I said again - but I respect your opinions

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
1 year 345 days ago

Technically it makes no difference if the simulator still uses the same ideal values and all the players see is a different offset either based on some variable like design or temperature or even a randomised offset.

It will not affect races which appears to be your argument for not liking the idea.

You misunderstand the concept and I appear to be incapable of explaining it in a way that you can understand so best all round if we drop it.

Dario Jp
1 year 345 days ago

I'm with Kevin here, I do not understand the disagreement for the idea except you can't be bothered to find the ideal setup, and would rather just copy paste.

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