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John Doe
2 years 28 days ago

Hello. I’ve noticed the wet tyres are too good for the conditions it is used. It doesn’t really match to real f1 races because it is only 5 seconds slower on a full wet track compared to slicks on dry. It should be like 20 or more seconds slower to the best on slicks.
Also I don’t understand why the slicks on a wet track are only 5-7 seconds slower while it should be f.ing impossible to drive at all…
I guess the developers know about that but don’t care?

Andy Thorpe
2 years 27 days ago

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I guess the developers know about that but don’t care?

Why profess to 'guess' what the developers are doing because it doesn't suit your narrative? A very one eyed view of things.

Antonio Ascari
2 years 27 days ago

Andy

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I guess the developers know about that but don’t care?

Why profess to 'guess' what the developers are doing because it doesn't suit your narrative? A very one eyed view of things.

It is very one eyed. Also, would you really want it to be that slow in wet races? I mean the only change you get is a wet race lasting a lot longer. This is a game, it’s not a simulation of reality

Patrick Majetić
2 years 26 days ago

Antonio

Andy

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I guess the developers know about that but don’t care?

Why profess to 'guess' what the developers are doing because it doesn't suit your narrative? A very one eyed view of things.

It is very one eyed. Also, would you really want it to be that slow in wet races? I mean the only change you get is a wet race lasting a lot longer. This is a game, it’s not a simulation of reality

If we will be realistic, then slicks on wet track would be undriveble, and do we want that? Also, being rude to developers won't do anything good.

Dick Dastardly
2 years 26 days ago

Patrick

Antonio

Andy

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I guess the developers know about that but don’t care?

Why profess to 'guess' what the developers are doing because it doesn't suit your narrative? A very one eyed view of things.

It is very one eyed. Also, would you really want it to be that slow in wet races? I mean the only change you get is a wet race lasting a lot longer. This is a game, it’s not a simulation of reality

If we will be realistic, then slicks on wet track would be undriveble, and do we want that? Also, being rude to developers won't do anything good.

Why is everyone so obsessed with realism? Are these the same people who complain about 0 or 1 stopping on wets ( frequent occurrences in F1, not that this is an F1 game)? Realism doesn’t equate to enjoyable gameplay.

John Doe
2 years 26 days ago

Patrick

Antonio

Andy

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I guess the developers know about that but don’t care?

Why profess to 'guess' what the developers are doing because it doesn't suit your narrative? A very one eyed view of things.

It is very one eyed. Also, would you really want it to be that slow in wet races? I mean the only change you get is a wet race lasting a lot longer. This is a game, it’s not a simulation of reality

If we will be realistic, then slicks on wet track would be undriveble, and do we want that? Also, being rude to developers won't do anything good.

We don't want be realistic, we want interesting and enjoyable game. That change changes nothing (no one was be on slicks on full wet track, no one will be on slicks on full wet track)

John Doe
2 years 15 days ago

It's not even about realism. In some cases wet tyres are useless because time loss to the softs is less than needed so pitting for wets is no sense. It will actually change everything because now inters dont give enough time gain on starting/ending rain.
For example, run a random dry race, one takes hards, the other inters, you will see there is only 1 second difference between them. this is just stupid!
Using wet tyres on dry and the opposite is stupid! a driver should crash

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
2 years 15 days ago

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Hello. I’ve noticed the wet tyres are too good for the conditions it is used. It doesn’t really match to real f1 races because it is only 5 seconds slower on a full wet track compared to slicks on dry. It should be like 20 or more seconds slower to the best on slicks.

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It's not even about realism.

Is your argument about realism or not about realism?

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For example, run a random dry race, one takes hards, the other inters, you will see there is only 1 second difference between them. this is just stupid!

Is it about wet tyres being too fast in the wet (the title) or Inters being too fast in the dry (above)?

Ultimately, Wets are faster than Inters when the water level is above about 3.2mm and Inters faster than Wets when the level is below 3.0mm.

Slicks are slower than Inters on a wet track and Inters slower than slicks on a dry track.

Whether or not you decide to change tyres if the weather changes all depends on how many laps you would need to run on the "wrong" compound and whether the time lost equates to more or less than the time you will lose in the pits.

Сопо

Using wet tyres on dry and the opposite is stupid!

I agree, don't do it.

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I guess the developers know about that but don’t care?

They do care, they just don't think the balance is so far out to cause problems in gameplay.

John Doe
2 years 14 days ago

Kevin

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Hello. I’ve noticed the wet tyres are too good for the conditions it is used. It doesn’t really match to real f1 races because it is only 5 seconds slower on a full wet track compared to slicks on dry. It should be like 20 or more seconds slower to the best on slicks.

Сопо

It's not even about realism.

Is your argument about realism or not about realism?

Сопо

For example, run a random dry race, one takes hards, the other inters, you will see there is only 1 second difference between them. this is just stupid!

Is it about wet tyres being too fast in the wet (the title) or Inters being too fast in the dry (above)?

Ultimately, Wets are faster than Inters when the water level is above about 3.2mm and Inters faster than Wets when the level is below 3.0mm.

Slicks are slower than Inters on a wet track and Inters slower than slicks on a dry track.

Whether or not you decide to change tyres if the weather changes all depends on how many laps you would need to run on the "wrong" compound and whether the time lost equates to more or less than the time you will lose in the pits.

Сопо

Using wet tyres on dry and the opposite is stupid!

I agree, don't do it.

Сопо

I guess the developers know about that but don’t care?

They do care, they just don't think the balance is so far out to cause problems in gameplay.

I want it to be realistic as much as possible though I guess the game has its own way and I agree with that. The general complain of mine is in the title “wets are a way too fast” the difference between slicks and wets is not enough in my opinion, nobody wanna hear that it is stupid. Nobody wanna hear they go on wets on dry and still go fast enough because it’s a game and not a real life…. Ok put a pony on track I bet it should win f1 car so nobody cares what is reality…

Can you walk with sneakers on a rainy day? I don’t because it will be drown. Why can I race on slicks then ? Stupid

Gonza Rodriguez
2 years 14 days ago

I think that wet on dry or slicks on wet is not the problem.... we Just need accidents or DNF when using slicks on +2 or 3 mm of Rain. That should be the way.

Dick Dastardly
2 years 14 days ago (Last edited by Dick Dastardly 2 years 14 days ago)

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Kevin

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Hello. I’ve noticed the wet tyres are too good for the conditions it is used. It doesn’t really match to real f1 races because it is only 5 seconds slower on a full wet track compared to slicks on dry. It should be like 20 or more seconds slower to the best on slicks.

Сопо

It's not even about realism.

Is your argument about realism or not about realism?

Сопо

For example, run a random dry race, one takes hards, the other inters, you will see there is only 1 second difference between them. this is just stupid!

Is it about wet tyres being too fast in the wet (the title) or Inters being too fast in the dry (above)?

Ultimately, Wets are faster than Inters when the water level is above about 3.2mm and Inters faster than Wets when the level is below 3.0mm.

Slicks are slower than Inters on a wet track and Inters slower than slicks on a dry track.

Whether or not you decide to change tyres if the weather changes all depends on how many laps you would need to run on the "wrong" compound and whether the time lost equates to more or less than the time you will lose in the pits.

Сопо

Using wet tyres on dry and the opposite is stupid!

I agree, don't do it.

Сопо

I guess the developers know about that but don’t care?

They do care, they just don't think the balance is so far out to cause problems in gameplay.

Can you walk with sneakers on a rainy day? I don’t because it will be drown. Why can I race on slicks then ? Stupid

Of course I can walk with sneakers on a rainy day and do ??.

Hello. I’ve noticed the wet tyres are too good for the conditions it is used. It doesn’t really match to real f1 races because it is only 5 seconds slower on a full wet track compared to slicks on dry.
This statement just makes no sense in the context of the game. No one uses wet tyres in dry races and in wet races everyone will aim to use wet tyres so it doesn’t matter what the lap times are compared to using slicks on a dry track since they are two completely mutually exclusive events.

I do struggle with your argument and don’t see any issues with slick tyres and frankly only an idiot would choose slicks in dry conditions because they are only 5 secs slower! Lets be honest about it you claim the difference between slicks and wets is not big enough, but If car A chooses wets and car B chooses dry tyres in wet conditions then car B will be lapped

John Doe
2 years 14 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 2 years 14 days ago)

Gonza

I think that wet on dry or slicks on wet is not the problem.... we Just need accidents or DNF when using slicks on +2 or 3 mm of Rain. That should be the way.

No, it is not a problem. These are the problems I see:

1. Wets are too fast compared to slicks on dry
2. Slicks are too fast compared to wets on wet.
The lap time difference between 1 and 2 is not enough
It is obvious don’t you see? It should be like 30 seconds per lap.
3. Wets are too fast compared to slicks on dry!!!!!
4. Inters are only 1-1.5 seconds slower than slicks on dry

In real conditions on a wet track slicks would be impossible to drive at all, if it is drizzling inters are at least from 5 to 10 seconds faster than slicks. Remember Sochi 2021 Norris Hamilton?

If we change these mechanics we will make iGP great again
Thanks

Cole Trickle you didn’t get my point. The issue is in the title. The difference is not big enough. There’s not a big problem if one takes slicks on wet or the opposite. But if the difference between them it not enough there’s no sense to put for example inters when it started to rain because its difference is less than you can gain in time. If one can go on slicks till it’s raining enough it’s not fair and makes its game strategies weird and unrealistic. We do copy most from real f1 races and world physics but in this case we say it is a game, isn’t it stupid ?

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
2 years 14 days ago

You said in your second post in this thread "It's not even about realism" yet you continue to make comparisons with real life F1 with statements like "Remember Sochi 2021 Norris Hamilton".

Forget about real life, real life doesn't run with refuelling allowed, real life doesn't race with 5mm of standing water on the track, real life doesn't have the option of 25%, 50%, 75% and 100% race length. All of these variables will make a difference with regards to the best race strategy in iGP, especially when the weather conditions change mid-race.

It's not about blindly replicating real life regardless of the gaming experience, it's all about a decent gaming experience and IMHO the current balance between slicks, Inters and Wets is not bad:

For a wet race with water depth >3.2mm the only viable compound is full wets.
For a wet race with water depth <3.0mm the only viable compound is Inters.
For a dry race the only viable tyres are slicks.

For a race with changeable weather, the tyres you use and when/if you pit to change tyres will depend on the race length, the number of laps remaining, the pit loss, the water depth, how fast the water depth is increasing or decreasing, the temperature, the tyre wear rate, etc.

There would be absolutely no benefit in the Devs wasting valuable time rebalancing the tyres when there are other far more important issues to resolve.

Regarding crashes, there are other threads where this subject has been debated at length.

Skid Solo
2 years 13 days ago

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Gonza

I think that wet on dry or slicks on wet is not the problem.... we Just need accidents or DNF when using slicks on +2 or 3 mm of Rain. That should be the way.

No, it is not a problem. These are the problems I see:

1. Wets are too fast compared to slicks on dry
2. Slicks are too fast compared to wets on wet.
The lap time difference between 1 and 2 is not enough
It is obvious don’t you see? It should be like 30 seconds per lap.
3. Wets are too fast compared to slicks on dry!!!!!
4. Inters are only 1-1.5 seconds slower than slicks on dry

In real conditions on a wet track slicks would be impossible to drive at all, if it is drizzling inters are at least from 5 to 10 seconds faster than slicks. Remember Sochi 2021 Norris Hamilton?

If we change these mechanics we will make iGP great again
Thanks

Cole Trickle you didn’t get my point. The issue is in the title. The difference is not big enough. There’s not a big problem if one takes slicks on wet or the opposite. But if the difference between them it not enough there’s no sense to put for example inters when it started to rain because its difference is less than you can gain in time. If one can go on slicks till it’s raining enough it’s not fair and makes its game strategies weird and unrealistic. We do copy most from real f1 races and world physics but in this case we say it is a game, isn’t it stupid ?

Lol you try to race in wet conditions on slicks and see how many times you get lapped. Kevin’s last post suns everything up succinctly.

John Doe
2 years 13 days ago

Ricky

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Gonza

I think that wet on dry or slicks on wet is not the problem.... we Just need accidents or DNF when using slicks on +2 or 3 mm of Rain. That should be the way.

No, it is not a problem. These are the problems I see:

1. Wets are too fast compared to slicks on dry
2. Slicks are too fast compared to wets on wet.
The lap time difference between 1 and 2 is not enough
It is obvious don’t you see? It should be like 30 seconds per lap.
3. Wets are too fast compared to slicks on dry!!!!!
4. Inters are only 1-1.5 seconds slower than slicks on dry

In real conditions on a wet track slicks would be impossible to drive at all, if it is drizzling inters are at least from 5 to 10 seconds faster than slicks. Remember Sochi 2021 Norris Hamilton?

If we change these mechanics we will make iGP great again
Thanks

Cole Trickle you didn’t get my point. The issue is in the title. The difference is not big enough. There’s not a big problem if one takes slicks on wet or the opposite. But if the difference between them it not enough there’s no sense to put for example inters when it started to rain because its difference is less than you can gain in time. If one can go on slicks till it’s raining enough it’s not fair and makes its game strategies weird and unrealistic. We do copy most from real f1 races and world physics but in this case we say it is a game, isn’t it stupid ?

Lol you try to race in wet conditions on slicks and see how many times you get lapped. Kevin’s last post suns everything up succinctly.

You don’t get the point. I’m saying that wets lap time on wet is too fast compared to slicks on dry. The difference is not enough to make it real so the strategies become weird
For example dry track slicks 1.20, wets on wet 1.25 while it should be at least 1.40 on wets on wet

Skid Solo
2 years 13 days ago (Last edited by Skid Solo 2 years 13 days ago)

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Ricky

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Gonza

I think that wet on dry or slicks on wet is not the problem.... we Just need accidents or DNF when using slicks on +2 or 3 mm of Rain. That should be the way.

No, it is not a problem. These are the problems I see:

1. Wets are too fast compared to slicks on dry
2. Slicks are too fast compared to wets on wet.
The lap time difference between 1 and 2 is not enough
It is obvious don’t you see? It should be like 30 seconds per lap.
3. Wets are too fast compared to slicks on dry!!!!!
4. Inters are only 1-1.5 seconds slower than slicks on dry

In real conditions on a wet track slicks would be impossible to drive at all, if it is drizzling inters are at least from 5 to 10 seconds faster than slicks. Remember Sochi 2021 Norris Hamilton?

If we change these mechanics we will make iGP great again
Thanks

Cole Trickle you didn’t get my point. The issue is in the title. The difference is not big enough. There’s not a big problem if one takes slicks on wet or the opposite. But if the difference between them it not enough there’s no sense to put for example inters when it started to rain because its difference is less than you can gain in time. If one can go on slicks till it’s raining enough it’s not fair and makes its game strategies weird and unrealistic. We do copy most from real f1 races and world physics but in this case we say it is a game, isn’t it stupid ?

Lol you try to race in wet conditions on slicks and see how many times you get lapped. Kevin’s last post suns everything up succinctly.

You don’t get the point. I’m saying that wets lap time on wet is too fast compared to slicks on dry. The difference is not enough to make it real so the strategies become weird
For example dry track slicks 1.20, wets on wet 1.25 while it should be at least 1.40 on wets on wet

I get the point, but the sad thing is you think two mutually exclusive events are relevant in a game

John Doe
2 years 13 days ago

Well, since it’s been declined the topic should be closed, there’s no more to discuss. Let’s live in Charlie and the chocolate factory

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2 years 13 days ago

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