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Tyre Temp

Tyre temp needs to be more meaningful, tyres that are as hot as they can go are still very fast if it had more a slowing affect when they are too warm it might balance the tyres out a bit more.

What he said.

I agree that tyres should be affected by not being in the optimal temperature range. This is already true for cold tyres, as they last longer but provide slower lap times. The only thing overheating tyres do is wear slightly quicker and fall off pace by a bit when slightly above the optimal temperature range.

Well, on my level it seems to be okay, as i notice when my tyres arent in the optimal temperature range.

Tyres should lose performance when overheating and increase sliding around leading to greater wear and driver errors, they should also lose temperature as they wear out as well.

the whole tyre system should be looked at some more really, tyre wear, the type of tyre you can use, the operating range of tyres, the performance gaps between the tyre ranges may not be as big at some tracks where others the differences are very large and finally track temperatures can have an adverse affect on harder tyres.

i mean running hard tyres around monaco at 15'c should be impossible because the track temps are too low for the tyres to work outside their operating range and the tyres are too hard to provide any use anyway.

or running super softs on a 35'c track with high wear should not only shred the tyre up more quicker due to the extra wear, but the tyres would be next to useless at the wrong temperatures, well above the operating range.

oh and wet and intermediate tyres need their lifetime usage to be reduced, they act like hard tyres in those conditions, they last far too long. the rubber blocks on the surface start breaking down after a number of laps and eventually these tyres won't be as effective over a duration as they won't be able to funnel that water through the treads as effectively. and when a track starts drying out the wets especially should be overheating before that point is reached and all performance is lost. intermediates could last a few laps on a dry track but they will lose a lot of their performance on a dry track, potentially wearing out very fast.

well said jason

The tyres do cool with wear, what i'm talking about is that a cooked tyre is faster than an optimal heated tyre, surely that is just wrong!?

As for tyres not working at different temps I would have to disagree.
When you look at F1 they a forced to run a set of tyres that don't match the temp and the teams have to try and set the car up as best they can to deal with it.

Hard tyre running on 15 degree track works, tyres are slow for 8-9laps until the tyres get up to optimal temp, they dont wear too much and it allows you to use them longer and longer than the life of the tyre is expected, but for us as we have refueling that's difficult to calculate as the tyres might only start coming to life just before we are pitting for fuel losing out on the effectiveness of the tyre over the longer stint.

Super soft running on 35 degree track does work, tyres are fast for 2-3laps then they slow down as they are too warm, but once they start to wear and cool the performance starts to come back into the tyre allowing you to use the tyre longer as it is keeping heat. Again refueling can upset the apple tart as the tyres might just start coming to their best just as your pitting for fuel. (Think of Abu Dhabi F1, 23-25 laps on ss at 38degrees)

But that is neither here nor there, we have refueling and we have to guess what the tyres will do and what they are capable of doing. The main thing is they don't have too hot or cold running as fast as optimal temp.

- temp indicator: as i think, this indicator shows the ideal range for each compound (the zone between red and blue). that should not be the same temp for every compound so, when i put new H, the indicator shouldn't start in the middle of the ideal range. those tyres should be cold, until we manage to get them in to the right temp. the needle should be down into blue on that first lap.
for SS, maybe those are already in the good range but as i see in F1, M and H need to be warmed during at least 1 lap to get the best performance.

- tyre wear for W seems too little in general.
- tyre wear for W should be increased a lot when the track is ready for I (+/-) (i see the temp is in the sky but my tyre wear still almost the same)
- tyre wear for I should be increased a lot when the track is ready almost dry (again, temp rises but tyre wear is almost the same as when the track was really wet)

My experience is that i have ran ss tyres near their lifetime per stint and have not noticed any significant change in tyres losing heat. so wherever the change is, is clearly either at the end of the lifetime when the tyre wear is total to 100%. it should be much more noticeable sooner.

in formula one pirelli bring the compunds they feel is best for the track taking into consideration of various factors, teams don't get to decide that part, so they have to work with what is there, for example the ultra soft tyre is only open to use at some tracks where tyre wear is non existent and the track is narrow and on streets, on the other hand US tyres don't work on a traditional track because after 1 lap the wear would be considerable.

i just think certain tyres like super softs on a high deg track for instance shouldn't be a useful choice, and especially one where track temps are higher than expected. in cases like that, the preferred tyre is softs instead where they can at least withstand the temps better and still provide enough grip and tyre life where the SS tyres can not.

unfortunately the hards on colder tracks do work, and they should not.

i have noticed recently that the SS tyres can be used to counter other strategies all too well with a 3-4 stints on those tyres regardless of the track, even overheated they continue to provide much faster times which they should not be doing when overheated, even 15'c track temps can overheat the tyres. so 34'c temps should make the tyres useless very quickly and force you to pit on softs or mediums.

Away at the start before a lot of other changes
SS was 4stops 5stint race
S was 3stops 4stint race
M was 2stops 3stint race
H was 1stop 2stint race

I dont know what has changed but the way things are now is back to the way it was in the old version where 6, 7 or 8 stops on SS is taking control of the races, we used to be rewarded for doing less stops now we are back to the more stops the faster you are.

Well i tried running softs vs super softs as a comparison to another team that recently caught up to me last season, the softs are losing too much time for them to be a viable option to counter ss tyres, roughly a second or more a lap in lost time over a lap, the other team tried the same sort of strategy as well and i was running ss only, and easily built up enough advantage to take care of a 2 stopping soft tyre runner.

the hard tyres can lose alot of time compared to those running ss tyres, so hard on 1 stop isn't even viable. the problems is that the car has to carry the extra weight in fuel as well, so potentially a driver could losing 5 seconds a lap compared to those running for 5-6 laps on ss tyres. enough to come out ahead and stay ahead.

it is what i am getting at, the tyres needs to be more dynamic on all sorts of factors at this point. make the whole thing more interesting. i am pretty sure even on a high deg track that the supersofts can run 8-10 laps before they must be pulled in, that is enough to go from a 4 stop to a 3 stop and save 25 seconds from needing to be in the pits.

" i am pretty sure even on a high deg track that the supersofts can run 8-10 laps before they must be pulled in"

I've just finished a full test season. 2 teams similar drivers and cars, using all 4 compounds and 50ltrs for first stint. (ss p1 s p2 m p3 and h p4). Luckily, every race was dry which gives me data for all tracks.

In every race, ss were ahead after at least 8 laps (apart from Spa which was 7). Monza was a surprise, after 13 laps ss were still ahead despite tyres being down to 11%

Yikes full wets and inters too you can overheat them and lose no pace

i have to revert my oppionion:

the effects of weared tyres (below 50%) and not optimal temperatures (hot & cold) should be increase.

i was able to do a 2 stop strategy at chinese igp with high tyre wear and was fast with it (oh it was with the other account at the same league as you Jack)