Thead closed ???

Honestly, forcing drivers to use both compounds would make things even more static than they already are. It would make things different yes, but less static - Not really. Strategies would become even more predictable and would essentially come down to fuel weight.

Everything atm seems to already come down to fuel weight cause with less fuel, the tyres come in faster and you get to have tyres that never drop off a cliff cause your always going to pit before they go bad. Doing 5 and 6 stop races are the way to go and unless the heatup time on the hards are reduced or they actually allow the driver to run lap times faster than bleeding 3+ seconds off the pace for several laps then maybe, just maybe the hards would be worthwhile but currently, there is no way of winning with the hards unless your already miles in the lead anyway.

That's not true Ethan. Hards are a very common choice at many tracks even in low temperatures, especially in 100% races. SHHHS and SHHHH are often much faster than SSSSSS or SSSSSSS, with the exception of a few tracks (Valencia, Monaco etc)

The only way hards work in cold temperatures are if you are controlling the race and you can block the rest with kers, or if everybody else on the grid uses hards too.

I've only seen the Hards be somewhat viable in extreme high temps  cause the Softs get npt even a lap of full push and they overheat. Monza is a track where if you quaify well somehow with hards (cause 9/10 Hards make you qualify outside or down the bottom end of the top 10) but if your trying to catch your rival on Hards, I've never seen it work and believe me I've tried.

@Rob. If thy keep op the good work as show here now I also will stay. I like the game and the nights we spend whit it. The update’s thy now let see are a good steps. So I look forward to the 16th. Hope it all works oke and we have a good race that night.

In my honest opinion, this is where I think hards work better than softs mid race (granted you are going heavier than you would on softs to try and turn a 5/6 stopper into a 4 stopper):

Aussie - 16 degrees
Malaysia - Hards work regardless of temp
China - 14 degrees
Bahrain - 28 degrees (many people will disagree here, but its just my opinion)
Spain - Hards work regardless of temp (even at 0 they are faster than softs over a whole stint - Even a 10 lap stint hards are better)
Monaco - Hards don't work
Turkey - Anything over 8 degrees
Britain - Not entirely sure about this one. I don't think I've ever (off the top of my head any way?) done a high temp race there.
Germany - IMO hards don't really work here, or if they do I've never found a temperature I like them at.
Hungary - Same as above.
Europe - Softs are generally always faster, but I've never driven here at anything over 24 degrees
Belgian - Anything over 12 degrees
Italian - 20 degrees
Singapore - I've never found hards to work here
Japan - Hards will work efficiently here even at 2 degrees
Brazil - Hards will be faster at anything over 15 degrees
Abu Dhabi - Hards are faster regardless of temp

I'm not saying any of this is fact or that I'm right, but that's my personal guideline that I'll use.

I find some tracks do need high temperatures for the hards to work properly. Some tracks you need to go heavy on hards to make them work efficiently. Some tracks you can stay light and use hards and they are still faster. Some tracks hards just don't work at all. Then ofcourse there is strategies, where going heavy on hards will help you get out of traffic if you qualify poorly and things of that nature. I generally find that regardless of temperature, some tracks where the softs strat to cool due to excessive wear (eg Turkey), hards are the better choice mid race even if it is cold.

I think we're going a bit off topic btw, maybe a mod (Edwin :D) can split it? Lol

What are you trying to say that England is always cold and wet. And that we only get 4 days of the year that are hot? Well let me tell you we sometimes get over 15c here!!!! :D Back on to what everyone is saying. I think I have seen this thread start a million times it always reverts back to the tyres. Back when this game was first started was there not a change made to the hards and if so can this not happen again. IMO it just needs a small tweek.

and tire warmers ;)

People complain that there is little or no work done. Okay, what position are you to declare that is the case? Do you develop the game? Are you actively testing the game several times a week, mailing and forming petitions on things that are not working? To put it simply, I see far too much accusations and no actual proof that this game is not moving forward. When in fact I've counted atleast a dozen or more new features that has been released by a team of two people who work full time jobs and have families to attend to. In which I find quite a few people completely selfish who are crying and kicking for what they want and are delivering no form of constructive assistance other than many other players who are helping them, are actually capable of have a constructive opinion on how the game is developing.

It is up to Jack and Andrew if and when any features they deem ready and suitable, aswell as if they wish for the feature to be added to the game. There has been alot of features that has been recalled cause it simply was not working. The biggest issue at the moment with the Beta Builds is that they lag considerbly. Once the issues are resolved, you will have alot of things to discover in the coming weeks. In the meantime, learn to bite your tongue, respect what the guys are doing for this game and look forward to the coming releases.

I find this extremely laughable that you of all people have posted this. I find your post's dismissive of other people ideas and find that you too often post too much information about the beta. Please going forward can we have a title just for David that say BETA TESTER because I personally don't post here because of his overall drivel. If this thread does get locked then it is down to a so called Beta Tester turning this thread into an argument between managers. Alot of people are upset of the undervelopement and by their own addmission lack of information from the devs.

Yes, David is right in this, it’s Jack and Andrews call when and what gets done.
I have respect for them and that they have a lot to do. But at the start of last year they promised to give ¼ year updates (Q-patches) which was then set to not be done in Q patches, bu tin little updates inbetween when it is ready. Ok, true we got some little inbetween things but still nothing on the bigger issues as example the design system they are talking about it I guess for close to a year now.
If it was a free to play game all would be fine, but most of the users bought it and spend money on it, with the nice option that it automatically renews because you need to pay it via PAYPAL. And if you don’t disallow this renewing, you pay and pay  and pay,…. .
In a game where money is spend on,.. users sure can be upset if things are not moving or super slow. At least that is what the end user sees.
Don’t get me wrong here,.. I know how much work all is I am also in the IT business. I am here now for a year I guess went up to position 2 on the world and quite for a while as it got boring and it was very buggy and races did not went off and and and,… . Then I came back reset my team and now I see several month later, Young driver is implemented and races are working,.. that’s all. Still a lot Java issues (I still use version 6 as all other does not work),…. So yes all I hear and read is we have more in BETA or in the background there happened a lot,..  . I am too long here to see that there is very little progress for the end user.     

Rene, I am the only person closing threads. I have closed 4 in my time as a mod. This is not often.

Feedback is actively encouraged, positive or otherwise. Threads are not closed because they are critical.

Completely agree. Everything I've seen hasn't re-assured us, the paying users that have been annoyed at the lack of  proper updates that make the game more fun, more engaging, increase depth, increase individuality and then fix and remove a lot of the broken stuff that ruins the fun and engagement this game could truly have as all they do is make us feel things are often random. We keep hearing about the stuff and keep hearing "Oh the BETA Testers are trying this stuff out but it isn't working right." Things don't work as they currently are.

Devs who don't post regular updates about how things are progressing about their game, especially a game that isn't in it's final state yet has an option for people to pay into, lose confidence in their audience and then end up losing them and a game without players might as well not exist. This game could get fixed soon with some really minor things that have been said they will fix soon yet haven't in over a year. Though at this point other than the complete die-hards who have several accounts, who will fund this game cause currently nothing is convincing me to continue to pay money into this when the return for me has become so minimal I would be better off spending time elsewhere and it's a real shame cause when I and no doubt everyone else heard of this game, they thought "Great, a fun manager game replicating F1." 

But unfortunately the promised updates to keep this game fresh and ones that would resolve some really obvious issues and flaws haven't happened. Meaning the game has become rather stale and the good this game has is heavily out weighed by it's faults that we can't keep having a blind eye to when were spending money on this. 

Jack and Andrew's lack of experienced in this area of the gaming industry suggested that they make promises that they could never keep.

If you have any experience, even college or university experience in developing programs and games, would understand that you cannot just release an update whenever you want to. Programming is very complicated and the mental drain on developing programs is very exhausting.

Let me give you an example of bad decisions and how it finally progressed into a good thing.

CBS sold licensing rights for a Star Trek MMO called Star Trek Online towards a number of Gaming companies, which after much juggling around with the idea and developing the game, it finally sat onto the developers at cryptic, but alot of time was lost. Cryptic was given a small timeframe to create and release the game which cam about in February 2010. Boy was that a bad day, The game was released with content extending to level 41 (Admiral Rank) and after that point, there was nothing to do, cause CBS was too demanding in having the game released as soon as possible, instead before it was ready. Star Trek Online has about 4million subscribers at release and it sank to less than a million couple of months later cause the game was rushed out and some features didn't work and there was nothing to do.

Lets place that into today's context in regards towards the Design System. Currently, the system works tremendously, and we've had tremendous mixes on results between teams, Drivers Championship was very colourful, so was the Constructor's Championship, however the simulator was having stability issues which caused it to crash, or lag tremendously.

Now the design system works, lets release it onto live and then the same issues that everyone has been crying about has came back with the simulator crashing left and right, people unable to connect and the cars are driving the wrong way and there is a gorilla in your winning car, driving away from the circuit, and someone brought bicycle tires instead of slicks to the circuit.

The point is, Software Development is extremely difficult business. Like cancer research, we pay for the research and we still haven't gotten the final result, it takes time.

Get yourself out of the clouds. Comparing this to cancer research. Why, why why!?

David do you understand what people are saying. This is what I mean listen, don't waffle. People are fed up of no information, ok the devs don't have time to post all the time but every 3 or months make the website look stale and boring and trust me after a year the game as Ethan has said is very stale. There are very two big differences in the game you mentioned above. 

1.CBS a major corp back a big IP to succeed it failed they lost a lot of money.

2. You are talking about a role playing MMO not a web/java based MMO.

People are not stupid they do understand this is not a major company behind this however its a year and things are getting boring! I don't want instability either but there needs to be more communication between us the paying public and the Devs or Steve.This has nothing to do with programming experience this is down to business and its starting to lose people from the game and not gain any new members.

I am not even going to say anything about Cancer resarch as im guessing David have not done any?

I'm still waiting for his explanation as to how qualifying is always entirely accurate.

Thats because its in the Beta that I m not supposed to talk about but will.