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medal 5000 Super Mod
3 years 130 days ago
Anthony, I'm not a member of iGP staff so can't give you a time for the new system to be active. But Jack has made it clear on a number of occasions on this forum that he is treating it as high priority following the recent changes he made to prevent exploitation of the current system which has resulted in the problems we are all currently having in transferring drivers.
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medal 5000 Super Mod
3 years 130 days ago

Mark

These 4-6 auctions can be all monitored relatively quickly, well within the 4 minute timescale, to any potential villain managers to raise, or spite an auction price of a rival manager (The last 3 auction bidders have their names visible)

As mentioned again prior, some account holders on this game have considerable storages of Tokens, across a multitude of accounts (100+ accounts) The ordinary manager, who will have access to 100-300 Tokens, will simply not be able to compete in an auction, with these 100+ account holders, who have amassed over 10,000 Tokens.


Mark.

Do you have any evidence of managers with thousands of tokens intentionally driving up auction prices. Because there is nothing to prevent this in the system as it stands today and if you've no evidence of it happening at the moment what makes you believe it will happen with the new system Jack has outlined?

With a set of auctions taking place every four minutes (forget about the current 30 it may be many more) it would take an extremely determined and rather disturbed person to sit at their computer for hours on end monitoring every auction in the hope that a manager they want to target is actually bidding on someone.

Over the past few days you have made a number of allegations about high level managers with multiple accounts, I had to edit one such post because you even named a couple of well respected managers and unfairly accused them of inappropriate behaviour.

I find it somewhat amusing that you hide behind an account which you appear to have created with the sole intention of anonymously accusing other managers of poor behaviour. Do you see the irony of this? If you've got something to say and want to be taken seriously why don't you post with one of your accounts that would allow people to see who you really are?
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medal 5000
3 years 130 days ago
Kevin
Anthony, I'm not a member of iGP staff so can't give you a time for the new system to be active. But Jack has made it clear on a number of occasions on this forum that he is treating it as high priority following the recent changes he made to prevent exploitation of the current system which has resulted in the problems we are all currently having in transferring drivers.



I know you are not and I sincerely apologise if my replies came across as obtrusive. 


I will just hold on until we all know for certain what will happen to transferring drivers. As i mentioned, i am not willing to let a 15token driver go to someone I have not selected. In no way am I aiming this at yourself, just stating my opinion.
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medal 5000
3 years 130 days ago
Kevin
Do you have any evidence of managers with thousands of tokens intentionally driving up auction prices. Because there is nothing to prevent this in the system as it stands today and if you've no evidence of it happening at the moment what makes you believe it will happen with the new system Jack has outlined?

Actually, as it clearly appears you are not aware of how auctions in general work, particularly in this game or in Top Eleven, this driving up of prices does not exist currently in this game, as their is a direct buy option for 9 Tokens.

With a new auction system coming, if the auctioneering process is similar to the one in Top Eleven, ie. no direct buy option, prices can and will escalate very quick, particularly with excess multitude of accounts present in this game, including yourself may I add.

Whereas there is nothing wrong having 'x' accounts on this game, as I have said, it will lead to a very unbalanced new auction system, whereby managers with more accounts, and hence Tokens, will have an unfair advantage over managers who only have 1 or 2 accounts. I am assuming you are this defensive as you want to protect your inherent Token advantage to be protected, which is understandable.
Kevin
Over the past few days you have made a number of allegations about high level managers with multiple accounts, I had to edit one such post because you even named a couple of well respected managers and unfairly accused them of inappropriate behaviour.

I find it somewhat amusing that you hide behind an account which you appear to have created with the sole intention of anonymously accusing other managers of poor behaviour. Do you see the irony of this? If you've got something to say and want to be taken seriously why don't you post with one of your accounts that would allow people to see who you really are?

Again, I have correct you on your inaccurate statements. I have made one offending post, where I named 2 example managers who have, as is fairly common knowledge in the iGP Manager community, have over 100 accounts, and have a considerable stockpile of competitive Chief Designers stored in such accounts. These were given purely as examples of proof that this is a widespread problem, and not limited to few players. I have not said anything to suggest they are engaged in illegal behaviour, there is nothing in the rules that says you cannot have 'x' accounts, with 'y' Chief Designers, as you have conjured up.

I do also have to note, despite you being the Super Mod of the English Forum section, you do appear to use quite aggressive and combative language regularly to users you do not like.

I find this abhorrent, particularly as it can construed as bullying behaviours and language. An example of a few posts:
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This game is for everyone of all skill difficulties and experience, and it does not cost a penny to speak to someone with respect. Clearly this, and other examples around this period involving Luca Dahse, these basic courtesy and respectfulness when speaking to others was not met.
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medal 5000
3 years 130 days ago (Last edited by Dome Nico 3 years 129 days ago)
I didn't understand what the use of a CD collection is. maybe to attract girls? "Come home to me and I'll show you my CD collection".
when I was actively playing with 6/7 active accounts and with the old development system (much better than this) I had at most 10 CDs that I moved to the various accounts, now they don't even need. finally they have decided to change something that we have always asked for, I do not know if it will be the right solution the only thing I hope is that before doing this update it will be tried in depth and that it is not done in a hurry as has happened many times . then I go out a bit off topic but as soon as this work is finished, adjust the tire wear because seeing the Ss doing fast at 20% is horrible.
regarding the ridiculous bullying accusations against Kevin and Pisanu in another post I don't say anything otherwise somebody ban me.
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medal 6495
3 years 129 days ago

Mark
Kevin
Do you have any evidence of managers with thousands of tokens intentionally driving up auction prices. Because there is nothing to prevent this in the system as it stands today and if you've no evidence of it happening at the moment what makes you believe it will happen with the new system Jack has outlined?

Actually, as it clearly appears you are not aware of how auctions in general work, particularly in this game or in Top Eleven, this driving up of prices does not exist currently in this game, as their is a direct buy option for 9 Tokens.

With a new auction system coming, if the auctioneering process is similar to the one in Top Eleven, ie. no direct buy option, prices can and will escalate very quick, particularly with excess multitude of accounts present in this game, including yourself may I add.

Whereas there is nothing wrong having 'x' accounts on this game, as I have said, it will lead to a very unbalanced new auction system, whereby managers with more accounts, and hence Tokens, will have an unfair advantage over managers who only have 1 or 2 accounts. I am assuming you are this defensive as you want to protect your inherent Token advantage to be protected, which is understandable.
Kevin
Over the past few days you have made a number of allegations about high level managers with multiple accounts, I had to edit one such post because you even named a couple of well respected managers and unfairly accused them of inappropriate behaviour.

I find it somewhat amusing that you hide behind an account which you appear to have created with the sole intention of anonymously accusing other managers of poor behaviour. Do you see the irony of this? If you've got something to say and want to be taken seriously why don't you post with one of your accounts that would allow people to see who you really are?

Again, I have correct you on your inaccurate statements. I have made one offending post, where I named 2 example managers who have, as is fairly common knowledge in the iGP Manager community, have over 100 accounts, and have a considerable stockpile of competitive Chief Designers stored in such accounts. These were given purely as examples of proof that this is a widespread problem, and not limited to few players. I have not said anything to suggest they are engaged in illegal behaviour, there is nothing in the rules that says you cannot have 'x' accounts, with 'y' Chief Designers, as you have conjured up.

I do also have to note, despite you being the Super Mod of the English Forum section, you do appear to use quite aggressive and combative language regularly to users you do not like.

I find this abhorrent, particularly as it can construed as bullying behaviours and language. An example of a few posts:
Block Button


You find that Kevin explaining to me there already exist a mute button as bullying?????

This game is for everyone of all skill difficulties and experience, and it does not cost a penny to speak to someone with respect. Clearly this, and other examples around this period involving Luca Dahse, these basic courtesy and respectfulness when speaking to others was not met.

Are you secretly Mark Elljay? ?. He's probably the only one that still couldn't understand the post wasn't about a specific manager, same as you. Can you highlight where Kevin was disrespectful or uncourteous anywhere?


Please let's not digress and turn the post into complaints. The new system sounds promising.

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medal 5000
3 years 124 days ago

Jack
THE SOLUTION - The New Transfer System & Offices HQ

  • When you sell drivers or staff, instead of an auction period which lasts several hours, this will be a "for sale" period.

  • Every 4 minutes the Transfers list will create new auctions using "for sale" drivers and staff, rotating them every time. There will only be one countdown timer for the entire list. All auctions on the list will start and end at the same time, lasting 4 minutes.

  • "For sale" drivers and staff that are not on the transfers list will be available to purchase with the "buy now" button, which will replace the auction on their profile. If they are pulled in to the transfers list then the "buy now" option will become unavailable (the final nail in the coffin for scripts to exploit the transfers system. I'll explain later in the post)

  • We will return Tokens to managers that don't win auctions

  • The Offices & Hospitality HQ will produce talented young staff, in the same way the Young Driver Academy does for drivers.




May I suggest a "private selling" option aswell, using some of the principles of the "buy now" system that used only three tokens for teams that never had the staff member in their team before.

"Team A" owns "Staff Member A" and wants to sell it to a friend, "Team B", or anything like that so they use a different option to sell it privately to that friend. Then, the "Team B" buys it from said "Team A" paying a fee either of 3 tokens or paying some money to "Team A".

I think this would be a "quality of life" addition to the game by helping older players directly help newer players by, for example, selling good staff members to them or even making so older players trade between theirselves, therefore encouraging engagement between the community.

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medal 6091 Community Manager
3 years 124 days ago
Lukaz

Jack
THE SOLUTION - The New Transfer System & Offices HQ

  • When you sell drivers or staff, instead of an auction period which lasts several hours, this will be a "for sale" period.

  • Every 4 minutes the Transfers list will create new auctions using "for sale" drivers and staff, rotating them every time. There will only be one countdown timer for the entire list. All auctions on the list will start and end at the same time, lasting 4 minutes.

  • "For sale" drivers and staff that are not on the transfers list will be available to purchase with the "buy now" button, which will replace the auction on their profile. If they are pulled in to the transfers list then the "buy now" option will become unavailable (the final nail in the coffin for scripts to exploit the transfers system. I'll explain later in the post)

  • We will return Tokens to managers that don't win auctions

  • The Offices & Hospitality HQ will produce talented young staff, in the same way the Young Driver Academy does for drivers.




May I suggest a "private selling" option aswell, using some of the principles of the "buy now" system that used only three tokens for teams that never had the staff member in their team before.

"Team A" owns "Staff Member A" and wants to sell it to a friend, "Team B", or anything like that so they use a different option to sell it privately to that friend. Then, the "Team B" buys it from said "Team A" paying a fee either of 3 tokens or paying some money to "Team A".

I think this would be a "quality of life" addition to the game by helping older players directly help newer players by, for example, selling good staff members to them or even making so older players trade between theirselves, therefore encouraging engagement between the community.



Hello,

That’s exactly what we’re trying to prevent. The game wasn’t designed to create this unfair unbalance. Why some newbie players should be able to break the progression line in this way? Why the rest of the tier and competitors of the team receiving a much better driver should get this frustration?

Not something we want to incentivise, exactly the opposite. We want to make the game fair for everyone and avoid some teams getting better drivers or staff from experienced teams.
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medal 5000
3 years 124 days ago
Hi José,

Thanks for answering, but I don't think this would break the sense of progression of the game since we have the in game staff balancing system that prevent players from owning staff members that are 1+ level higher than that account current level.

Once again, thanks for answering.
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medal 6091 Community Manager
3 years 124 days ago
Lukaz
Hi José,

Thanks for answering, but I don't think this would break the sense of progression of the game since we have the in game staff balancing system that prevent players from owning staff members that are 1+ level higher than that account current level.

Once again, thanks for answering.



Hello,

It isn’t the same to get a perfect driver for your level just paying 3 tokens and getting him from a friend than researching in the marketplace, bidding wars or if you’re lucky buy now for 9 tokens. ?

The first is a very specific scenario witch is unfair for the rest, the second is the same for everyone with equal possibilities!
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medal 5002
3 years 124 days ago

José
Lukaz
Hi José,

Thanks for answering, but I don't think this would break the sense of progression of the game since we have the in game staff balancing system that prevent players from owning staff members that are 1+ level higher than that account current level.

Once again, thanks for answering.



Hello,

It isn’t the same to get a perfect driver for your level just paying 3 tokens and getting him from a friend than researching in the marketplace, bidding wars or if you’re lucky buy now for 9 tokens. ?

The first is a very specific scenario witch is unfair for the rest, the second is the same for everyone with equal possibilities!


Completely, agree Jose and said on another thread that I consider it a mild form of cheating

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medal 5000
3 years 124 days ago

Mitchell

José
Lukaz
Hi José,

Thanks for answering, but I don't think this would break the sense of progression of the game since we have the in game staff balancing system that prevent players from owning staff members that are 1+ level higher than that account current level.

Once again, thanks for answering.



Hello,

It isn’t the same to get a perfect driver for your level just paying 3 tokens and getting him from a friend than researching in the marketplace, bidding wars or if you’re lucky buy now for 9 tokens. ?

The first is a very specific scenario witch is unfair for the rest, the second is the same for everyone with equal possibilities!


Completely, agree Jose and said on another thread that I consider it a mild form of cheating



And i have previously said, there is now no point having a driving academy unless you can let your drivers go to who 'YOU' want them to go to. I have an academy full of drivers for release, but no way will I let them go to someone I don't know or not in my league.

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medal 5002
3 years 124 days ago (Last edited by Dick Dastardly 3 years 123 days ago)
Anthony

Mitchell

José
Lukaz
Hi José,

Thanks for answering, but I don't think this would break the sense of progression of the game since we have the in game staff balancing system that prevent players from owning staff members that are 1+ level higher than that account current level.

Once again, thanks for answering.



Hello,

It isn’t the same to get a perfect driver for your level just paying 3 tokens and getting him from a friend than researching in the marketplace, bidding wars or if you’re lucky buy now for 9 tokens. ?

The first is a very specific scenario witch is unfair for the rest, the second is the same for everyone with equal possibilities!


Completely, agree Jose and said on another thread that I consider it a mild form of cheating



And i have previously said, there is now no point having a driving academy unless you can let your drivers go to who 'YOU' want them to go to. I have an academy full of drivers for release, but no way will I let them go to someone I don't know or not in my league.



The Academy is designed for your use to provide you with drivers and not as a farm to give other drivers a shortcut.  If you decide to produce drivers you don’t need its your choice, but now the loophole of supplying to others is being closed.  If you don’t want to sell them in the open market where everyone is free to bid then you won’t need to produce as many going forward.


We will obviously never agree on this point so lets agree to disagree andwait and see what igp come up with


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