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Who’s Fault Was it?

Who’s Fault Was it?

75% (60)
Lewis Hamilton
25% (20)
Max Verstappen
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medal 5000
2 years 290 days ago
For me, it was Lewis's fault. He had enough space on the inside, even after Max was moving to defend, and then he just steered into the back wheel. But why did LH not ask if MV was ok? I know that you are at first angry because of the contact, but if you see such an impact, then you should ask if the other driver is fine. It is just fair. And Copse is clearly not the best corner for overtaking, and as I saw LH doing that stuff again, I was worrying, especially about Charles after he had to countersteer...
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medal 5001 Super Mod
2 years 290 days ago
Nico
But why did LH not ask if MV was ok? I know that you are at first angry because of the contact, but if you see such an impact, then you should ask if the other driver is fine. It is just fair.

I'm not taking sides here, I just want to point out that Lewis did ask if Max was OK over the team/car radio after the incident and before he came into the pits when the race was red flagged.
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medal 5000
2 years 290 days ago

Kevin
Nico
But why did LH not ask if MV was ok? I know that you are at first angry because of the contact, but if you see such an impact, then you should ask if the other driver is fine. It is just fair.

I'm not taking sides here, I just want to point out that Lewis did ask if Max was OK over the team/car radio after the incident and before he came into the pits when the race was red flagged.



I know, but it took a while. In my opinion, it should have been the first thing to check if the other driver is ok. Sorry to write that so complicated, English ain't my first language😅
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medal 5000
2 years 290 days ago
We can see Leclerc car camera how much slower Max and Lewis actually did hit that corner, still they hit them shelf. Could be even moore disaster end for both cars. if you remember, "Gerppen Director" Shumi & Senna the Champs what they did every time somebody start challengs them. No matter what is the sports, Champs will show you place when you play bad.
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medal 5000
2 years 290 days ago

Jenalyn

Mitchell
No re-read all the posts and will you see a few nationalities thought Verstappen was at fault

And I suggest you re-read Jenalyn’s post because what you say about him/her is not true



I am in conundrum here.


Thanks Mitchell for support on my comment, even if we disagree on a certain matter.

@Alfa, if you actually read properly you will see i am defending you. 

@Mitchell, Alfa was stating English fans will obviously support an English driver ( at no point in his comment is there a reference to race)




Sorry my english is not so good, i misanderstood 
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medal 5348
2 years 290 days ago

Nico
For me, it was Lewis's fault. He had enough space on the inside, even after Max was moving to defend, and then he just steered into the back wheel. But why did LH not ask if MV was ok? I know that you are at first angry because of the contact, but if you see such an impact, then you should ask if the other driver is fine. It is just fair. And Copse is clearly not the best corner for overtaking, and as I saw LH doing that stuff again, I was worrying, especially about Charles after he had to countersteer...



Yea it was a shame for LeClerc to be put in that position and slightly lose the car over the strip but i think that time and the previous time Lewis was actually far enough up alongside and further out from the barrier than the incident with Max. Those ones still rely on the driver being aware that the other car is there though otherwise for sure, it will end in a mess, but yes i agree it was more on Lewis the incident with Max, and the Stewards also thought so, which is why Lewis was penalized. Lewis was not going to make the apex probably due to the front tires not being up to temp and Max's car taking away some aero from the front wing of Hamilton's car, plus Lewis was on the dirty side of the track so 3 factors which meant less grip and more likely to understeer away from the apex than if Max's car wasn't there at all, if still taking that line into the turn. (for example). 
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medal 5173
2 years 290 days ago
I see many people saying racing incident but racing incident does not mean Max Verstappen in this poll...

This is why I cannot change opinion from my first post.

Those who talk about Italians should remember that latin countries don't have a strong nationalism like other countries and we are talking about Max CrashHappen e Luckys Hamilton who are both Ferrari opponents so I'm neutral from this view point.
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medal 5000
2 years 290 days ago

Chris

Nico
For me, it was Lewis's fault. He had enough space on the inside, even after Max was moving to defend, and then he just steered into the back wheel. But why did LH not ask if MV was ok? I know that you are at first angry because of the contact, but if you see such an impact, then you should ask if the other driver is fine. It is just fair. And Copse is clearly not the best corner for overtaking, and as I saw LH doing that stuff again, I was worrying, especially about Charles after he had to countersteer...



Yea it was a shame for LeClerc to be put in that position and slightly lose the car over the strip but i think that time and the previous time Lewis was actually far enough up alongside and further out from the barrier than the incident with Max. Those ones still rely on the driver being aware that the other car is there though otherwise for sure, it will end in a mess, but yes i agree it was more on Lewis the incident with Max, and the Stewards also thought so, which is why Lewis was penalized. Lewis was not going to make the apex probably due to the front tires not being up to temp and Max's car taking away some aero from the front wing of Hamilton's car, plus Lewis was on the dirty side of the track so 3 factors which meant less grip and more likely to understeer away from the apex than if Max's car wasn't there at all, if still taking that line into the turn. (for example). 



Agree with your point. The main reasons were just the response of the car to the track and aerodynamics which didn't match up to Lewis's expectations. But it was crazy to see him trying to do that again. Luckily, it all went well, but now imagine what would have happened if Charles would lose the car on that green thing next to the circuit. Another red flag caused by an overtake into Copse by Lewis. I mean, it all went well, but could have been much worse. Crazy the FIA equalises a ~300kph+ accident with crossing a white line twice not on purpose. They should maybe rethink their penalty system...
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medal 5000 Moderator
2 years 290 days ago
While I also put most of the fault on Lewis I won't clear Max either. Max was driving aggressively in trying to narrow the door for Lewis, as it turned out too narrow with Lewis going too wide with failing to hit the apex. In the end maybe 60:40, perhaps slightly closer even. Perhaps the stewards saw it similar and thus a rather mild penalty for Hamilton. However if they did it begs the question why not applying a point on Max' license as a wink to tone the aggressiveness down a bit.
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medal 5000
2 years 290 days ago
So it wasn't Ericsson's fault in the end! 🤣🤣

On a more serious note, I agree with Mika and Frank's post above. As Mika mentioned, F1 World champions, especially multiple championships (Senna, Schumacher) place and position their cars in situations where it relies on Driver B to be 'co-operative' when alongside, otherwise a collision will ensue.

Max Verstappen also drives and positions his car in a similar way, but at times, it appears to be to the complete disregard in safety for every other car (excessive weaving under the braking zones in his early days at Red Bull is a good example) 

Perhaps this is the legacy and symptom of the time Max has spent on sim racing, but you do not see the other 'Playstation' generation racers regularly collide with other competitors.
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