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Again: Call to pits in the final lap

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medal 5000
9 years 237 days ago
"James

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Jack! It is easy to see It's the Auto Pit value that's causing the problem.

Cicchitto was called to pit because he was on 5.0

Sahlstrom wasn't called to pit because he was on 5.1

Could you try changing Auto Pit from 1 to 0.9

see it that makes a difference?

But there is no real fix for it, no matter what value of Auto Pit has it is going to effect someone.

Only thing would be to remove Auto Pit altogether.

Changing the Auto Pit value to 0.9 would of meant in that race if Cicchitto was on 4.9 before reaching sector 1 he would still of been Auto Pitted so maybe 0.8 or 0.7 would be better


Sorry James, but you are completely wrong:
Cicchitto had 1,9l left at finish.
Sahlstrom had 1,5l left at finish.

At the point of the screenshot Sahlstrom was more then 10 secs behind - when he had reached the position of Cicchitto he had around 4,6l left...

So I have had enough fuel for both drivers...
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medal 5000
9 years 236 days ago
Sorry James, but you are completely wrong:
Cicchitto had 1,9l left at finish.
Sahlstrom had 1,5l left at finish.


That's Cheating :D

4.3 per lap
Cicchitto had 5.0 starting last lap would of left 0.7 at the end of the race
Sahlstrom had 5.1 starting last lap would of left 0.8 at the end of the race

What short-cuts did Cicchitto take to finish with 1.9 & what one of the short-cuts did Sahlstrom miss to have 1.5 at the finish?
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medal 5000
9 years 236 days ago
"James

Sorry James, but you are completely wrong:
Cicchitto had 1,9l left at finish.
Sahlstrom had 1,5l left at finish.


That's Cheating :D

4.3 per lap
Cicchitto had 5.0 starting last lap would of left 0.7 at the end of the race
Sahlstrom had 5.1 starting last lap would of left 0.8 at the end of the race

What short-cuts did Cicchitto take to finish with 1.9 & what one of the short-cuts did Sahlstrom miss to have 1.5 at the finish?

You misunderstood the screenshot and the fuelinfo:
Fuelinfo gives the actual fuel left - not the fuel when crossing finish line!
March told in post #16 that the screenshot has been taken 1 sec before chicchitto crosses splittime#1so he has 5l left for the remaing lap - what would be around 2/3 of a lap!
You see in the screenshot, that driver #9 wood - who was 29 secs behind - has just crossed the finish line for the final lap. That verifys the position of Chicchitto.
So no shortcut here - just the normal way around. 
:)


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medal 5000
9 years 236 days ago (edited 9 years 236 days ago)
Ok so how does this compare with his real data? started last lap with 6.5???

Chicchitto. Fitted Soft tyres & added 28 Litres of fuel
21 1:40.192 + 0:04.209 208.65 3 - - -28-4.3 = 23.7
22 1:32.102 + 0:06.766 226.98 3 - - 23.7-4.3 = 19.4
23 1:31.582 + 0:06.669 228.27 3 - - 19.4-4.3 = 15.1
24 1:29.444 + 0:04.045 233.72 2 - - 15.1-4.3 = 10.8
25 1:28.994 + 0:01.096 234.91 2 - - 10.8-4.3 = 6.5
26 1:30.768 + 0:00.034 230.31 2 - - 6.5-4.6 = 1.9
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medal 5000
9 years 236 days ago
"James
Ok so how does this compare with his real data? started last lap with 6.5???

Chicchitto. Fitted Soft tyres & added 28 Litres of fuel
21 1:40.192 + 0:04.209 208.65 3 - - -28-4.3 = 23.7
22 1:32.102 + 0:06.766 226.98 3 - - 23.7-4.3 = 19.4
23 1:31.582 + 0:06.669 228.27 3 - - 19.4-4.3 = 15.1
24 1:29.444 + 0:04.045 233.72 2 - - 15.1-4.3 = 10.8
25 1:28.994 + 0:01.096 234.91 2 - - 10.8-4.3 = 6.5
26 1:30.768 + 0:00.034 230.31 2 - - 6.5-4.6 = 1.9


Just for your satisfication:

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But that has nothing to do with the primary problem - it just blows up the thread...
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medal 5000
9 years 236 days ago
"Jack
This is a very strange issue and I'm surprised we haven't heard more about it before. Perhaps it was introduced by one of the recent updates to the service, given that discrepancy. Although, it still seems to be a very rare occurrence when it does happen, most people are not experiencing it.

Please keep posting as much information as possible and details about the circumstances surrounding any occurrences and this will help us to pin down the cause.

@Jack:
What about my idea, that the extensive KERS use in the lap before the final lap may cause that?
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medal 5859
9 years 236 days ago
I really don't think KERS would cause that. You are blowing through that lap so fast if you use all your remaining KERS on the final lap that your fuel consumption should be ever so slightly less.
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medal 5000
9 years 235 days ago
Not just for my satisfaction :)

"J

But that has nothing to do with the primary problem - it just blows up the thread...


Can you be 100% sure you didn't accidentally tap the mouse pad on it, while moving your cursor across the screen?
Starting a lap with 6.4 Litres is far too much fuel for Auto pit to come on before sector one.
If Auto Pit was to blame it wouldn't light up to halfway through the lap plus it would of turned on the other driver as well.
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medal 5000
9 years 235 days ago (edited 9 years 235 days ago)
"James
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Can you be 100% sure you didn't accidentally tap the mouse pad on it, while moving your cursor across the screen?

Starting a lap with 6.4 Litres is far too much fuel for Auto pit to come on before sector one.

If Auto Pit was to blame it wouldn't light up to halfway through the lap plus it would of turned on the other driver as well.


See my post #1:
"J

[...]That thread has been started for the devs.
Please no comments like: you pressed the PIT button - I did not!


That was the 3rd time that happened to me - and yes I'am 100% sure, and I have no mouse pad. And I feel, that puzzling around is just waste of time.
The real data shows, what did happen.
Only the devs can solve that issue by finding a systemic in all incidents, and looking into the code.
The more others report the same bug, the easier it will be to find a systemic occurrence.

What I found out is that in all 3 incidents that happened to me:
-) I had used 50% - 100% KERS in the lap before the final lap...
-) I was in second position, when the PIT signal came up
-) It allways happens to the same driver
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medal 5000
9 years 134 days ago
Got this 3 times in the actual season.

Allways the same situation:
I used most KERS for the second placed driver in the lap before the final lap, to close up to 1st position.

Then the green pitting button appears. two times it stayed in status 'pitting', one time it falled back to normal status.

So I agree to March, that it has to do with extensive use of KERS in the lap before the final lap...
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medal 5000
9 years 134 days ago
Rookie here, Lv4 atm, just DRS, no KERS. Oddly, this happened at Nurburgring after I hired a new Technical Director (who was coincidentally German); was running a double podium with one of my m8s rite behind me, then this Aussie just behind both of us. Then, on LL, both of us pit apparently due to underfueling even tho we had sufficient fuel to finish, giving the Aussie the win.

I AM 100% SURE I DID THE CALCULATIONS RIGHT; I FOLLOWED EXACTLY WHAT MEASUREMENT MY TECHNICAL DIRECTOR GAVE ME. I DID NOT UNDERFUEL FOR THE FIRST 2 STINTS EVEN THO UGHTHE LAST ONE WAS BASICALLY A REPEAT OF THE FIRST ONE.
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medal 5000
9 years 134 days ago
A screenshot of your race analysis might be helpful.
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medal 6098 CEO & CTO
9 years 134 days ago
Sorry, I don't think we saw this when J posted it (thanks for bumping).

The KERS lead might be useful. Thanks for the information, I will get this investigated.
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