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Changing max participants

You are misguided in your opinions as why people suggest a level cap.  It has nothing to do with maintaining the status quo or preventing people’s fun as you call it.  When a level 12 ends up in a Elite tier with experienced level 20’s they get destroyed often lapped twice or more.  They then react “what’s the point?” and quit.  There is no point in being in Elite when your race times are 4 minutes slower than those you are hoping to compete with (at least for the majority of players).


Yes there is a massive issue with Pro tiers and introducing more tiers will make it worse not better.  Personally I would go further and not just introduce caps for entering a tier,  but also on who could start public leagues.  Too many times I see low level players with anything from 5 to 20 races experience try to set up leagues.  This just results in bad leagues, provides a poor experience and drains the flow of new players into leagues with healthy structures. You mention relegated elite ruining Pro tiers? In what way?  If they are inactive they should be easy to beat and if they are active then that just demonstrates that the others aren’t strong enough for Elite or do you mean they ruin them in some other way? 

It has been suggested before that iGP should host all rookie and Pro leagues enabling managers who earn promotion (and yes a suitable level) to join Public Elite leagues.  This won’t be popular with either players wanting promotion or indeed leagues hosts trying to make their leagues successful, but it is not about protecting a league’s integrity or maintaining status quo/spoiling fun etc.  it’s about enabling newer players to grow in a environment where they are competitive.  It is difficult to do this under current system as frankly they are too many leagues relative to the size of the active player base. 

I understand why everyone wants to get to Elite asap it’s human nature, but many people desire this without really thinking about whether they are going to be competitive and enjoy the game.  Of course under the current system it’s their choice and they can always move to a Pro tier in  another league where promotion is active.

And yes I agree with you that these threads are always full of polarised viewpoints and I doubt that will ever change since there isn’t really an answer that works for everyone.

I just don’t understand how level caps would make it better. I can see a level 15/16 getting upset because they earned a promotion and can’t move up because of a level cap.

It does, pro tiers will remain full and your lapped car won't help the elite leader causing the rage of p2 player ?.


Seriously, I think that rookie and pro should be replaced by more "global" tiers managed by the game itself (a ladder of 5/7 tiers) and their purpose is just to make experience. You can make experience at a faster rate than now till level 20(30)?

As a new player you will feel satisfied by looking at your progress and you will learn against active players.

Once you are promoted to elite (or reach level 20) you can join elite public leagues. When there are too many players in the same league, it autosplits in groups. Players in group 2, 3 or N are not demoted, it means that you are simply in a lower group of that elite league. You can try to find your way to progress from group N to group 1 or you can join a smaller league in its group 1 or even a private league with your friends.


The most competitive leagues will have more groups/players and won't claim to be such by claiming to have the best rated players as of now.
The best league will have more players/tiers and each tier will be populated by players with similar skills.

That's my suggestion.

Good observations. I don't imagine these tiers linked among them. You subscribe to the tier that you prefer: days/timezone/length/rules then when the season ends you can subscribe to another tier depending on your level/achievements and you will find new opponents.

The transition from current system to a new one must be done sooner or later. How to make it in the best way it's iGP's problem and must be done.

Rookies getting promoted through to Elite very quickly is a different issue and another problem which the developers should ideally resolve. 

If newcomers to the game join a league with an active and experienced Elite tier, they spend two or three seasons -competing against inactives and filler accounts in Rookie and Pro then get promoted to Elite at L12 and are totally destroyed by experienced L20 Managers.

They become demoralised and quickly lose interest because they are running around a lap or two behind the leaders with no hope of getting a top 10 finish.

I don't disagree with increasing the number of teams that promote but this should be done in tandem with setting a minimum level for promotion. Maybe something like L10 to promote from Rookie to Pro and L16 from Pro to Elite. This way, when the inexperienced managers get promoted, they at least have a team which is capable of competing if it is well managed.

My league is pretty dedicated, and the members are still happy even tho they are lvl 9 accounts in Elite. That’s because they are still fighting for points sometimes and because they level up really quickly due to the highest lvl account (me, lvl 18) is boosting their level quickly. Since my league has strict activity requirements players will never be up against AFK accounts for multiple seasons. But since most leagues are, i think promotion/relegation should be left up to the league coordinators themselves where they can set the amount of managers that promote/relegate each season to best suit their league.