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Mark Eljay medal 6329
1 year 144 days ago
Thanks for that José, it's appreciated. I get that this will happen whether people like it or not, but I think a bit more explanation like you've done here can only help.

I think the suggestion from JNS is a great one, as that will mean that "farming" can't happen, so there will be no need for time to be spent shutting down accounts or investigating it moving forward.

I do think something could be written in the rules quite simply about it, as there will be a lot of players that have never heard of the term and may not realise it is wrong. 
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John Doe medal 5000
1 year 144 days ago
José
Based on the questions, I'll address the concerns and complaints about the game staff sanctioning accounts farming tokens:


  • Lack of Explicit Rule Against Farming:

    • While there might not have been an explicit rule against farming tokens previously, the Code of Conduct, specifically section H, prohibits participating in any action that "exploits" an undocumented aspect of the game to gain an unfair advantage over other users. Farming tokens can be considered as exploiting an undocumented aspect of the game, and thus falls under this rule.


  • Definition of Farming:
    The exact criteria for classifying an account as farming may not be disclosed to prevent cheaters from avoiding detection. However, multiple factors can contribute to an account being considered a farm account. The more criteria an account meets, the higher the risk of being classified as a farm account and facing suspension or sanctions.



  • Reviewing Historical Accounts:

    • We're reviewing accounts that didn't pay attention to the latest announcement, if farm accounts stopped after this they wouldn't get an investigation. But if they follow with that practice yes, we're sanctioning these too. It isn't a retrospective sanction since this has been always forbidden, I can attach you other topics of managers claiming in the past that they tokens were removed, just now we got more strict with this and we gave 7 days to managers to stop these practices. While the announcement might have given some players a grace period to stop such practices, those who continued or have previously engaged in farming are also being reviewed and may face sanctions accordingly. This is not a retrospective sanction, as farming has always been against the rules, but rather a stricter enforcement of the existing policy.


  • Deletion of Drivers from Farm Accounts:

    • It was mentioned that drivers created by farming accounts would be deleted even if they were later bought by other players. This action seems justified to maintain a fair competition among all players. It prevents the situation where someone gets an advantage by acquiring a maxed-out driver from a farm account, which is considered unfair to other competitors. This only happened once so far, both accounts admitted that this operation was coordinated even if at first one of the account said they were unaware (I have screenshots of this). The reason behind this is that you can giver a try to max out a perfect driver and only get the farm account sanctioned. I think we all can agree that's unfair for the rest of competitors if a manager gets a maxed out driver from a farm account. About your claim saying that the buyer team could be unaware that the driver is coming from a farm account, that doesn't happen, farm accounts aren't giving away drivers.



OK, I get it, at least something reasonable has appeared on this topic. But I don't understand why it is impossible to lay out the criteria by which the account becomes a farm account? In a good way, the criteria should be such that if the account doesn't match them, then it automatically becomes a normal account. Then it turns out that if someone wants to avoid a penalty, he will simply have to stop doing what is called "farming", which is what we are trying to achieve. That is, he must understand by these criteria what he can't do, and then he will be clean and won't violate anything. If the criteria aren't laid out, then perhaps they aren't completely finalized, because you are afraid that people will find workarounds and continue do "farming"...
And if the criteria are not finalized, then it is unclear how someone can be banned according to them...
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Fried Rice medal 5481
1 year 144 days ago
Orange
OK, I get it, at least something reasonable has appeared on this topic. But I don't understand why it is impossible to lay out the criteria by which the account becomes a farm account? In a good way, the criteria should be such that if the account doesn't match them, then it automatically becomes a normal account. Then it turns out that if someone wants to avoid a penalty, he will simply have to stop doing what is called "farming", which is what we are trying to achieve. That is, he must understand by these criteria what he can't do, and then he will be clean and won't violate anything. If the criteria aren't laid out, then perhaps they aren't completely finalized, because you are afraid that people will find workarounds and continue do "farming"...
And if the criteria are not finalized, then it is unclear how someone can be banned according to them...


I believe then it could lead to people still exploiting it by bypassing the set rules. For simplicity if they put out an announcement and say, any account that doesn't set up for 10 days in a row is classed as a "Farm Account", people might just login and purchase ideal setup on the 9th day. I know this is a layman criteria I gave, but the takeaway is if they announce the criteria, there will be workarounds.

The simplest solution at the moment seems to be that, if you do not have the capacity to actively setup, sign sponsors, staff etc, just drop out of a league, and let the account be.
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John Doe medal 5000
1 year 144 days ago
Fried
Orange
OK, I get it, at least something reasonable has appeared on this topic. But I don't understand why it is impossible to lay out the criteria by which the account becomes a farm account? In a good way, the criteria should be such that if the account doesn't match them, then it automatically becomes a normal account. Then it turns out that if someone wants to avoid a penalty, he will simply have to stop doing what is called "farming", which is what we are trying to achieve. That is, he must understand by these criteria what he can't do, and then he will be clean and won't violate anything. If the criteria aren't laid out, then perhaps they aren't completely finalized, because you are afraid that people will find workarounds and continue do "farming"...
And if the criteria are not finalized, then it is unclear how someone can be banned according to them...


I believe then it could lead to people still exploiting it by bypassing the set rules. For simplicity if they put out an announcement and say, any account that doesn't set up for 10 days in a row is classed as a "Farm Account", people might just login and purchase ideal setup on the 9th day. I know this is a layman criteria I gave, but the takeaway is if they announce the criteria, there will be workarounds.

The simplest solution at the moment seems to be that, if you do not have the capacity to actively setup, sign sponsors, staff etc, just drop out of a league, and let the account be.

Yes, what to do with an account instead of a farm is understandable. It is clear that when you return to the game, this account will lose to the rest due to the lag in development, you will lose races or donate. We have already discussed this, and this was the goal of the developers. 

I'm not talking about the fact that according to the article of the regulations specified in the explanation, you can ban everyone, the main thing is just to find the reason. It'll do for an excuse.
Okay, if they don't want to disclose the criteria, don't, it's just that some of the bans I've heard about were very strange and inconsistent. I think that enough has already been said on this topic, and this topic can be closed, preferably with moving the last message of Jose here in announcements, it is unlikely that everyone will read it here. Anyway, we won't hear anything new and no one will achieve anything. Let them introduce updates that will prohibit "farming" at the program level, and there will be no more problems and disputes. The action was very strange, but we are no longer able to change anything.
I believe that it is no longer possible to repeat such mass bans, so many players will leave the game in the near future
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Ghost Rider medal 5024
1 year 144 days ago
In my opinion, it should have been the design of the game to prevent players from exploiting in the first place. It seems pretty obvious the reason of the sudden change, after years of nothing. Why now?

Let's be real. no one cares what anyone else is doing, the game is designed to limit resources, of course people would have come up with other means instead of spending money. (also why is the quick race farm allowed?)



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John Doe medal 5000
1 year 144 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 1 year 144 days ago)
José
Based on the questions, I'll address the concerns and complaints about the game staff sanctioning accounts farming tokens:


  • Lack of Explicit Rule Against Farming:

    • While there might not have been an explicit rule against farming tokens previously, the Code of Conduct, specifically section H, prohibits participating in any action that "exploits" an undocumented aspect of the game to gain an unfair advantage over other users. Farming tokens can be considered as exploiting an undocumented aspect of the game, and thus falls under this rule.


  • Definition of Farming:
    The exact criteria for classifying an account as farming may not be disclosed to prevent cheaters from avoiding detection. However, multiple factors can contribute to an account being considered a farm account. The more criteria an account meets, the higher the risk of being classified as a farm account and facing suspension or sanctions.



  • Reviewing Historical Accounts:

    • We're reviewing accounts that didn't pay attention to the latest announcement, if farm accounts stopped after this they wouldn't get an investigation. But if they follow with that practice yes, we're sanctioning these too. It isn't a retrospective sanction since this has been always forbidden, I can attach you other topics of managers claiming in the past that they tokens were removed, just now we got more strict with this and we gave 7 days to managers to stop these practices. While the announcement might have given some players a grace period to stop such practices, those who continued or have previously engaged in farming are also being reviewed and may face sanctions accordingly. This is not a retrospective sanction, as farming has always been against the rules, but rather a stricter enforcement of the existing policy.


  • Deletion of Drivers from Farm Accounts:

    • It was mentioned that drivers created by farming accounts would be deleted even if they were later bought by other players. This action seems justified to maintain a fair competition among all players. It prevents the situation where someone gets an advantage by acquiring a maxed-out driver from a farm account, which is considered unfair to other competitors. This only happened once so far, both accounts admitted that this operation was coordinated even if at first one of the account said they were unaware (I have screenshots of this). The reason behind this is that you can giver a try to max out a perfect driver and only get the farm account sanctioned. I think we all can agree that's unfair for the rest of competitors if a manager gets a maxed out driver from a farm account. About your claim saying that the buyer team could be unaware that the driver is coming from a farm account, that doesn't happen, farm accounts aren't giving away drivers.




Thank you José. Now it is clearer, but it was not clear a week ago... and if you answered before to me, i could stop to do somethig that you considered farm. Si when i will receive back my teams ? 
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Roberto Valleri medal 5000
1 year 144 days ago

José
Based on the questions, I'll address the concerns and complaints about the game staff sanctioning accounts farming tokens:


  • Lack of Explicit Rule Against Farming:

    • While there might not have been an explicit rule against farming tokens previously, the Code of Conduct, specifically section H, prohibits participating in any action that "exploits" an undocumented aspect of the game to gain an unfair advantage over other users. Farming tokens can be considered as exploiting an undocumented aspect of the game, and thus falls under this rule.


  • Definition of Farming:
    The exact criteria for classifying an account as farming may not be disclosed to prevent cheaters from avoiding detection. However, multiple factors can contribute to an account being considered a farm account. The more criteria an account meets, the higher the risk of being classified as a farm account and facing suspension or sanctions.



  • Reviewing Historical Accounts:

    • We're reviewing accounts that didn't pay attention to the latest announcement, if farm accounts stopped after this they wouldn't get an investigation. But if they follow with that practice yes, we're sanctioning these too. It isn't a retrospective sanction since this has been always forbidden, I can attach you other topics of managers claiming in the past that they tokens were removed, just now we got more strict with this and we gave 7 days to managers to stop these practices. While the announcement might have given some players a grace period to stop such practices, those who continued or have previously engaged in farming are also being reviewed and may face sanctions accordingly. This is not a retrospective sanction, as farming has always been against the rules, but rather a stricter enforcement of the existing policy.


  • Deletion of Drivers from Farm Accounts:

    • It was mentioned that drivers created by farming accounts would be deleted even if they were later bought by other players. This action seems justified to maintain a fair competition among all players. It prevents the situation where someone gets an advantage by acquiring a maxed-out driver from a farm account, which is considered unfair to other competitors. This only happened once so far, both accounts admitted that this operation was coordinated even if at first one of the account said they were unaware (I have screenshots of this). The reason behind this is that you can giver a try to max out a perfect driver and only get the farm account sanctioned. I think we all can agree that's unfair for the rest of competitors if a manager gets a maxed out driver from a farm account. About your claim saying that the buyer team could be unaware that the driver is coming from a farm account, that doesn't happen, farm accounts aren't giving away drivers.



I'm the only one so far to have been deprived of a rider in the PL championship, precisely because it was taken from a friend's farm account, a pity that in the 7-day announcement that you published, this penalty is not foreseen.Nice work mate

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Alexi Ovechkin medal 5564
1 year 143 days ago
Thank you very much for all the clarifications on this topic. I have a question. I want to pause the game and come back in a few months, now there are important things to do. What should I do? Do I just leave the league or can I stay in it, periodically entering so as not to leave the league for inactivity? I want to know what to do so that my account and accumulated funds have not disappeared
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Kevin Bissell medal 5000 Super Mod
1 year 143 days ago
Artemi
Thank you very much for all the clarifications on this topic. I have a question. I want to pause the game and come back in a few months, now there are important things to do. What should I do? Do I just leave the league or can I stay in it, periodically entering so as not to leave the league for inactivity? I want to know what to do so that my account and accumulated funds have not disappeared

Judging by recent experience, the answer to your question is to leave the league. Your account will be in hibernation. You don't need to periodically log in because nothing will happen, driver, staff and sponsor contracts won't expire, so when you return to the game your team will be exactly as you left it... so about two or three levels lower than the people you currently enjoy racing against.

If you leave the team in the league and periodically log in to renew contracts you run the risk that your account will be considered to be farming. As a result you could lose all of the assets (tokens, game cash and XP) that you collected whilst absent from the game or worse, you may find yourself locked out of your account so would have to start afresh.
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Dick Dastardly medal 5001
1 year 143 days ago
Kevin
If you leave the team in the league and periodically log in to renew contracts you run the risk that your account will be considered to be farming. As a result you could lose all of the assets (tokens, game cash and XP) that you collected whilst absent from the game or worse, you may find yourself locked out of your account so would have to start afresh.



 Not criticising you Kevin, but your answer above just shows how ridiculously stupid and shortsighted this decision was.  


A couple of months ago owing to a family member being in hospital I had to leave my leagues temporarily as I was unable to race live or even set up for my offline league (so it was the right thing to do), but I still logged in to train my drivers and take daily rewards as there is nothing in the TOS that states I can’t do this and nor is there anything wrong with it.  If it had happened a few weeks ago I would have lost my account resulting in me deciding to terminate all my accounts and leave the game.  Is this what iGP really want players to do because they will in droves while this ill thought out policy is in force.
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Archie Bald medal 5000
1 year 143 days ago

Dick
Kevin
If you leave the team in the league and periodically log in to renew contracts you run the risk that your account will be considered to be farming. As a result you could lose all of the assets (tokens, game cash and XP) that you collected whilst absent from the game or worse, you may find yourself locked out of your account so would have to start afresh.



 Not criticising you Kevin, but your answer above just shows how ridiculously stupid and shortsighted this decision was.  


A couple of months ago owing to a family member being in hospital I had to leave my leagues temporarily as I was unable to race live or even set up for my offline league (so it was the right thing to do), but I still logged in to train my drivers and take daily rewards as there is nothing in the TOS that states I can’t do this and nor is there anything wrong with it.  If it had happened a few weeks ago I would have lost my account resulting in me deciding to terminate all my accounts and leave the game.  Is this what iGP really want players to do because they will in droves while this ill thought out policy is in force.



I know real life happens, but if you were able to log in to train and claim rewards, surely you'd be able to leave the accounts outside a league? I mean you'd know before hand the newly listed parameters.
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Dick Dastardly medal 5001
1 year 143 days ago
Archie

Dick
Kevin
If you leave the team in the league and periodically log in to renew contracts you run the risk that your account will be considered to be farming. As a result you could lose all of the assets (tokens, game cash and XP) that you collected whilst absent from the game or worse, you may find yourself locked out of your account so would have to start afresh.



 Not criticising you Kevin, but your answer above just shows how ridiculously stupid and shortsighted this decision was.  


A couple of months ago owing to a family member being in hospital I had to leave my leagues temporarily as I was unable to race live or even set up for my offline league (so it was the right thing to do), but I still logged in to train my drivers and take daily rewards as there is nothing in the TOS that states I can’t do this and nor is there anything wrong with it.  If it had happened a few weeks ago I would have lost my account resulting in me deciding to terminate all my accounts and leave the game.  Is this what iGP really want players to do because they will in droves while this ill thought out policy is in force.



I know real life happens, but if you were able to log in to train and claim rewards, surely you'd be able to leave the accounts outside a league? I mean you'd know before hand the newly listed parameters.


I did I left both leagues until I was able to play again, but still logged on to train and claim rewards as it took me less than 5 minutes.  It really feels like unless you are active in a league, set up every race and attend all races you will be accused of farming and lose everything.
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Archie Bald medal 5000
1 year 143 days ago

Dick

Archie

Dick
Kevin
If you leave the team in the league and periodically log in to renew contracts you run the risk that your account will be considered to be farming. As a result you could lose all of the assets (tokens, game cash and XP) that you collected whilst absent from the game or worse, you may find yourself locked out of your account so would have to start afresh.



 Not criticising you Kevin, but your answer above just shows how ridiculously stupid and shortsighted this decision was.  


A couple of months ago owing to a family member being in hospital I had to leave my leagues temporarily as I was unable to race live or even set up for my offline league (so it was the right thing to do), but I still logged in to train my drivers and take daily rewards as there is nothing in the TOS that states I can’t do this and nor is there anything wrong with it.  If it had happened a few weeks ago I would have lost my account resulting in me deciding to terminate all my accounts and leave the game.  Is this what iGP really want players to do because they will in droves while this ill thought out policy is in force.



I know real life happens, but if you were able to log in to train and claim rewards, surely you'd be able to leave the accounts outside a league? I mean you'd know before hand the newly listed parameters.


I did I left both leagues until I was able to play again, but still logged on to train and claim rewards as it took me less than 5 minutes




Then there wouldn't have been any issues.
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John Doe medal 5000
1 year 140 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 1 year 139 days ago)
José
Based on the questions, I'll address the concerns and complaints about the game staff sanctioning accounts farming tokens:


  • Lack of Explicit Rule Against Farming:

    • While there might not have been an explicit rule against farming tokens previously, the Code of Conduct, specifically section H, prohibits participating in any action that "exploits" an undocumented aspect of the game to gain an unfair advantage over other users. Farming tokens can be considered as exploiting an undocumented aspect of the game, and thus falls under this rule.


  • Definition of Farming:
    The exact criteria for classifying an account as farming may not be disclosed to prevent cheaters from avoiding detection. However, multiple factors can contribute to an account being considered a farm account. The more criteria an account meets, the higher the risk of being classified as a farm account and facing suspension or sanctions.



  • Reviewing Historical Accounts:

    • We're reviewing accounts that didn't pay attention to the latest announcement, if farm accounts stopped after this they wouldn't get an investigation. But if they follow with that practice yes, we're sanctioning these too. It isn't a retrospective sanction since this has been always forbidden, I can attach you other topics of managers claiming in the past that they tokens were removed, just now we got more strict with this and we gave 7 days to managers to stop these practices. While the announcement might have given some players a grace period to stop such practices, those who continued or have previously engaged in farming are also being reviewed and may face sanctions accordingly. This is not a retrospective sanction, as farming has always been against the rules, but rather a stricter enforcement of the existing policy.


  • Deletion of Drivers from Farm Accounts:

    • It was mentioned that drivers created by farming accounts would be deleted even if they were later bought by other players. This action seems justified to maintain a fair competition among all players. It prevents the situation where someone gets an advantage by acquiring a maxed-out driver from a farm account, which is considered unfair to other competitors. This only happened once so far, both accounts admitted that this operation was coordinated even if at first one of the account said they were unaware (I have screenshots of this). The reason behind this is that you can giver a try to max out a perfect driver and only get the farm account sanctioned. I think we all can agree that's unfair for the rest of competitors if a manager gets a maxed out driver from a farm account. About your claim saying that the buyer team could be unaware that the driver is coming from a farm account, that doesn't happen, farm accounts aren't giving away drivers.



Section H  cannot be applyed to team you canceled to me: 

There were no unfair advantage to my teams rispect other players
T20 Drivers with high salary
Cars repaired
Engine change (usually every 2 days)
Daily  access on game 
T30 drivers trained to be ready when T20 retired, when i will going to use them to compete with others

Well , sometimes i sold some t30 when i have more than 2.
During selling,  everyone could buy them.

My purpose  was only retiring my old personalized T20 that became unusefull, it was not increase token (I had teamd that had already more than 1000 token earned playing before creation of the league), cash, xp or level.

At beginning i would do this selling my drivers to some BOT and continue to play with my normal team, but they will lose their personalizations and I wouldn't!

So I made this and i run with only few teams that have not personalized or historical drivers.

Yes, I added  some Bot for add also historical drivers that were not  running since a lot of times , but they were historical for me to quick retiring of all drivers.

There were no gain in this: i only lost time for doing this. It was fair for me , but not Unfair  for everyone

The retiring was also near to be finish for a lot of drivers so the league was going to closure but you didn't let me do this.

I asked to you what I have to do, and now I have 11 teams ,also historical, closed.

This not exploit anything.

In the past was asked several times that it was possible having more than one account, and answer was always Yes!

A lot of players had league with only own teams and it was not a problem till 2 week ago, but you didn' clearify anything about farming.

I soon informed you about my situation: it was easy answer: "since now it is forbidden" but you didn't.

I understand that you have the possibility for doing this, and you are not obliged to give explanation. Because you wrote this in rule game (where there is section H).

However there is not sportmanship in this. Don't you think?

Now I am going to go in holiday... i hope that you are not going to close also the few playable teams you left me...


Ps: 1)in the past I was kick out of a league wihtout any real reason. Nothing was done to player kick out me. He is still playing...(even if he broke rule C of section V)
2) in the past someone stole some teams to Roberto Valleri. Ovih recovered them.
No one pay for this but I was penalized for retiring drivers...




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