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Drivers are manually pitting one lap earlier of a scheduled pitstop

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medal 5000
8 years 113 days ago
This issue should be fixed now. The problem was the sim not taking into account fuel economy level when calculating the distance to the garage. Consequently, the higher your level, the bigger the discrepancy.
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medal 5000
8 years 110 days ago
May I add another suggestion to this issue?
Why won't we be allowed to set pit stops and fuel level separately?

For example I'd like to define:
Stint 1: S - 6 laps
Stint 2: M - 11 laps
Stint 3: M- 10 laps

Where the number of laps is NOT defined by how much fuel I put. Then I can guess how much fuel I need (probably my engineer or tech director can help - whether it's accurate depends on their XP).

This way I can tackle the case where a track is fuel-demanding or my car fuel efficiency is bad by putting more fuel than needed (otherwise early pitstop of coz!). I also got the chance to experiment and learn with respect to my car the tyre wear rate (same principle, if the stint is too long for a tyre - early pitstop)...

Please comment :)

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medal 5000
8 years 110 days ago
Part of the problem might of been that if you use a calculator with fuel usage your told here:



After setting the amount of fuel needed for the next stint, the estimated laps shows 1lap less than you fueled for.
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medal 5176
8 years 110 days ago
Vincent
May I add another suggestion to this issue?
Why won't we be allowed to set pit stops and fuel level separately?

For example I'd like to define:
Stint 1: S - 6 laps
Stint 2: M - 11 laps
Stint 3: M- 10 laps

Where the number of laps is NOT defined by how much fuel I put. Then I can guess how much fuel I need (probably my engineer or tech director can help - whether it's accurate depends on their XP).

This way I can tackle the case where a track is fuel-demanding or my car fuel efficiency is bad by putting more fuel than needed (otherwise early pitstop of coz!). I also got the chance to experiment and learn with respect to my car the tyre wear rate (same principle, if the stint is too long for a tyre - early pitstop)...

Please comment :)



There was a lot of push back earlier this year when it was revealed that fueling would be determined by laps and not by litres.

This would give a slight upper hand to managers who can't live manage and takes away some of the technicality of live managing at the same time.

On the other hand, one could argue that a manager who isn't live managing can't do much.
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medal 5000
8 years 110 days ago
I guess my point is either way (live or offline manager) I'd like to have the flexibility to specify the two unrelated aspect separately (number of laps / fuel level), I can live with my guess being wrong and had to pay the pit lane an extra visit :)

Right now the most annoying problem for is me is if I want a short stinct I need to use fuel level to define it...
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medal 5000
8 years 110 days ago
Vincent
I guess my point is either way (live or offline manager) I'd like to have the flexibility to specify the two unrelated aspect separately (number of laps / fuel level), I can live with my guess being wrong and had to pay the pit lane an extra visit :)

Right now the most annoying problem for is me is if I want a short stinct I need to use fuel level to define it...


You have a choice use fuel or laps??.

Want to use fuel you get it from here:

11x3=33


11Laps

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medal 5000
8 years 110 days ago
But then my question would be why can't I have the choice of 35L or even more fuel but still run 10 laps? (let's just say I want to push harder or put it in reality there is track conditions that substantially increase fuel consumption during race so I wanna stay safe)
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medal 5000
8 years 110 days ago (edited 8 years 110 days ago)
Using my example above you would select 11.8 laps if you wanted extra fuel to push harder it's an extra 2litres on top of the extra 2litres you already have.

As for wanting to do 10laps with 35L you would need to at the race to tell the driver to pit
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medal 5000
8 years 110 days ago
Since the race time is always when I am at work and corporate firewall seems to be blocking the live viewer, that's why I need such flexibility when planning the strategy for offline racing :(
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medal 5000
8 years 110 days ago
Vincent
Since the race time is always when I am at work and corporate firewall seems to be blocking the live viewer, that's why I need such flexibility when planning the strategy for offline racing :(


Could you not change league to one with a more suitable time or even use your own tablet or phone?
I don't know if there is any restrictions on internet speed, but you could get a dongle for very little and take your own laptop to work.
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medal 5000
8 years 109 days ago
If you wanted to run a ten lap stint and push hard, fuel for 12 laps, after ten laps you'll have used your fuel and pull in to the pits anyway. As you can only change push level when you are present this technique will work fine.

Personally I wish you could pre-manage push levels, ie lap 1 - 9 take it easy, lap 10 push hard (before pitstop), lap 11 - 19 take it easy... But I'm not even going there when so much basic stuff needs tweeking first. However, point being, you pit when you've used your fuel, and you're locked into one push level when you're not live, so do the maths.
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medal 5176
8 years 109 days ago
Alex
If you wanted to run a ten lap stint and push hard, fuel for 12 laps, after ten laps you'll have used your fuel and pull in to the pits anyway. As you can only change push level when you are present this technique will work fine.

Personally I wish you could pre-manage push levels, ie lap 1 - 9 take it easy, lap 10 push hard (before pitstop), lap 11 - 19 take it easy... But I'm not even going there when so much basic stuff needs tweeking first. However, point being, you pit when you've used your fuel, and you're locked into one push level when you're not live, so do the maths.


Allowing pre-management of push levels would take away from the live management aspect of the game.

That's why the mobile app is up next in the pipeline, so that live managing doesn't require a PC when one isn't available.
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medal 5000
8 years 109 days ago
And when I'm working in a different time zone, no technology available at all? Why should I be penalised for working? If this game was available 25 years ago, when I was at school, college, uni, I'd happily have turned up for every live race. Now, I have a life, it's awkward. It should, with careful predictions and pre-management, be possible to race successfully without sitting in front of technology for an hour many times a week.
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medal 5785 CEO & CTO
8 years 108 days ago
Alex, I'm in the same boat as you, I used to be happy to play games any time (because I had the time), but now I don't. I totally understand your predicament and am trying to build iGP in such a way that both groups are catered for. However, we can't do anything which renders attending pointless, since the main draw of the game is the live races and there should be an incentive to attend. At the same time, we want everyone to be able to be competitive.

As far as I know, it is possible to be competitive without attending, in fact the teams who weren't there were sometimes getting an advantage until our setup patch today.
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medal 5000
8 years 107 days ago (edited 8 years 107 days ago)
Alex
If you wanted to run a ten lap stint and push hard, fuel for 12 laps, after ten laps you'll have used your fuel and pull in to the pits anyway. As you can only change push level when you are present this technique will work fine.
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For offline manager, the problem with this approach is it will still pit at pre-defined lap after the emergency stop, so in this example my car will pit at lap 10 (out of fuel) but again at lap 12 (pre-defined)... that's what I meant by wanting to define the stint by number of laps while allow freedom in fuel level etc...
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medal 5000
8 years 107 days ago
Jack, sorry for the rant, and it's nice to see that you appreciate the difficulties and cater for all.

Vincent, maybe I misunderstand you. Currently laps cannot be set. When fuel runs out you pit. Thus if you fuel enough for 12 predicted laps, run push hard, then at lap ten your driver will pit. He will not pit again, regardless of the initial prediction, until his tank is back down to one lap of fuel.

If you mean that you want to carry enough fuel for ten laps and pit after five, then it is true it's not possible, however, it's also not desirable as fuel is weight, and more weight is slower laptime.
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medal 5000
8 years 105 days ago
hi Alex, yes I understand too much fuel is no good, i just want a bit extra to play on the safe side, not sure if you can see this:
https://igpmanager.com/app/d=resultDetail&id=2811343

On lap 7 my car pit for fuel (my guess - fuel from 4.7 back to 54) but pit again on lap 8 (scheduled), correct me if I m not reading the result right, that's what started me on talking about how to define a stint :)
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medal 5000
8 years 105 days ago
The common solution to avoid those problems is to add 1L if you are too close to the limit (less than 0.2L), you can do the same by taking 0.5L to be safe.
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medal 5000
8 years 105 days ago
Vincent, I can see your image fine, but it says you stopped on lap 7 (as you start on lap 8) and then again much later in the race. It is not showing two consecutive stops.
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medal 5000
8 years 104 days ago
Alex
Vincent, I can see your image fine, but it says you stopped on lap 7 (as you start on lap 8) and then again much later in the race. It is not showing two consecutive stops.


Hmm, someone please enlighten me how to read those then :)
After lap 6 I m running low on fuel and from lap 7 laptime i just guess i've been pitted for fuel and tyre (you guys probably can't see it but here both are fresh - from 45%/4.7L -> 99%/54L). But then on lap 8 i pitted again (from the laptime)... same cycle happened later in this race.
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