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Driver Attributes - What do some of they mean/do?

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medal 5000
12 years 277 days ago
"Neil
I dont think talent is the right word for newbie drivers - top end drivers are talented.



Newbie drivers have "potential" that may turn into talent but then again might not.


There is no "I think". It's about language. And if we agree that a ball is a round thing without edges, talent is completely different from what you "think".
Give it a try a look into a dictonary. There it is explained and it's not said, that one might "think" about the meaning of expressions build out of letters in a specific order.

Otherwise I am typing now not on a keyboard, because I decided to think its called "crankshaft". It isn't.

Sorry for sounding so arrogant, but I really find it amusing, how one could "think" what a word does have to mean. Talent is talent and it is defined already. Clearly defined. Its a preposition. "PRE" - there is NO coincidence of whatever grows out of it and it has NOTHING to do with being good, top-notch or whatsoever.

Example:

A loaded gun is highly talented to kill you, but you won't die by standing in front of it, when there is no work done to fire it.
A dove is not talented to kill you at all, but when doing 300 mph when slamming in your face, your dead.
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medal 5000
12 years 277 days ago
No comment on the rest of your educational efforts but those examples are stupid.
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medal 5000
12 years 277 days ago
"Lord
To be arrogantly honest:
The devs have done great work with the driver abilities from my point of view.
I can think about the abilities meanng and their consequences in real life and mostly I find out sometime, that exactly that happens in terms of "pointing into that direction".
For me it works with a bit of empathy and knowledge about being a driver and which abilities are needed for what.
I could not be happier with that part of the game.

Why would it be an attribute then? I had two drivers, one was new(about 4 points more on talent) and the other was one who'd been trained to quite a good level. My talented one won and was consistently beating my other driver. Now that my original driver is gone I have an even more talented driver. Talent has turned out to be vital for me.
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medal 5000
12 years 277 days ago
"Roeland
No comment on the rest of your educational efforts but those examples are stupid.

Really? ;-)
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medal 5000
12 years 277 days ago
I am quite sure. :)
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medal 5000
12 years 274 days ago
Me 2 :-)
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medal 5000
12 years 274 days ago
"Frank

"Lord
To be arrogantly honest:
The devs have done great work with the driver abilities from my point of view.
I can think about the abilities meanng and their consequences in real life and mostly I find out sometime, that exactly that happens in terms of "pointing into that direction".
For me it works with a bit of empathy and knowledge about being a driver and which abilities are needed for what.
I could not be happier with that part of the game.

Why would it be an attribute then? I had two drivers, one was new(about 4 points more on talent) and the other was one who'd been trained to quite a good level. My talented one won and was consistently beating my other driver. Now that my original driver is gone I have an even more talented driver. Talent has turned out to be vital for me.

yes talent plays a big part in how good your driver is BUT there are other attributes that if high enough will make your driver just as gd or even better than a say 20 on talent. hours of working this out have help me to figure this out.
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medal 5000
12 years 274 days ago
"Norrie
yes talent plays a big part in how good your driver is BUT there are other attributes that if high enough will make your driver just as gd or even better than a say 20 on talent. hours of working this out have help me to figure this out.

+1 Its more about where talent[or any other stat] fits into the overall driver, no point in have 20 overtaking if your not fast enough to catch the car in front etc
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medal 5000
12 years 274 days ago
For me talent defines how good someone can be given a fixed amount of training.

A talented person will learn much more given a fixed period of training compared to a non talented person. But to be good you need both, talent and practice.
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medal 5000
12 years 274 days ago
"Ti
For me talent defines how good someone can be given a fixed amount of training.

A talented person will learn much more given a fixed period of training compared to a non talented person. But to be good you need both, talent and practice.

yes but it defines in the real world and on this game are for me 2 different things i had a driver with near 20 for all things speed but he only had 2 for talent. so i think it more natural ablity.
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medal 5000
12 years 274 days ago
Ofc, how talent works in this game we can only speculate.

P.S: does you driver lose any ability over time or once he reaches 20 he stays on this value?
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medal 5000
12 years 274 days ago
"Bty
Ofc, how talent works in this game we can only speculate.

P.S: does you driver lose any ability over time or once he reaches 20 he stays on this value?

4.5 Skill atrophy[All drivers in iGP Manager have an atrophy on their skills for every race they are contracted to a team. When a driver is not employed they do not atrophy.The older a driver is, the higher the rate of atrophy will be. This represents the struggle to remain competitive as a driver ages, and in their last seasons before retirement training may be doing more to maintain their current skill levels rather than improve it. Young drivers atrophy more slowly, and as a result training can be more effective and have longer-lasting effects for them.
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medal 5000
12 years 274 days ago
i know that, this is why I use balanced training. Just wanted to know from someone who has most of his skill on 20 what happens for real.
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medal 5000
12 years 274 days ago
"Ti
i know that, this is why I use balanced training. Just wanted to know from someone who has most of his skill on 20 what happens for real.

It happens after every race, if you make a note of your stats before and after you'll notice that some decrease, or if your train certain stats you'll notice that the blue bar actually decreases as atrophy is more than the 1 stat increase u get

Also on the talent debate..... I know of a 3 talent driver who just beat a lap record by over 1second 
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medal 5000
12 years 273 days ago
"Jack
Some people in this thread have the right idea. ;)


Who ? :D
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medal 5000
12 years 273 days ago
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And I do have an exact thought of what it means. :-)

And its still wrong, that talent makes your driver fast. It doesn't. Period.

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medal 5000
12 years 273 days ago
"Lord
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And I do have an exact thought of what it means. :-)

And its still wrong, that talent makes your driver fast. It doesn't. Period.

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i wonder about the things you say sometimes your lordship. we are all just putting our ideas forward. now  dont get me wrong your entitled to your opinion but having now done 4season on this and changing drivers on 8 seperate occasions trying different stats out it has become clear to me and pretty much everyone in my league that talent is a key factor in you driver choice, there are a few other but am not gona spill the beans on that, dont want to make the game to easy for ya.
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medal 5000
12 years 273 days ago
"Norrie

"Lord
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And I do have an exact thought of what it means. :-)

And its still wrong, that talent makes your driver fast. It doesn't. Period.

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i wonder about the things you say sometimes your lordship. we are all just putting our ideas forward. now  dont get me wrong your entitled to your opinion but having now done 4season on this and changing drivers on 8 seperate occasions trying different stats out it has become clear to me and pretty much everyone in my league that talent is a key factor in you driver choice, there are a few other but am not gona spill the beans on that, dont want to make the game to easy for ya.

+1 no offence meant to any1.......

But 3 wins in rookie doesnt give u the right to slag every1 else, tbf without playing the big I-AM, i'm in pro, 17th in the hall of fame, with 1 overall lap record [last race by over 1s] {4 races to go this season} and about to get promoted to the highest reputation elite league in IGP... my opinion has to carry some weight
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medal 5000
12 years 273 days ago (edited 12 years 273 days ago)
Gentleman:

I never said, that talent doesn't play a key role.
I said: It doesn't make you fast.

These are two completely different things.

Another stupid example:

You come with a loaded gun to a knife-fight.
Talent to win, I guess.
But that is completely meaningless and you will die within a second, if you do not have the skills that tell you how to fire it, how to aim precise and how to aim fast. Here you'll better have focus, anticipation (if targets move), reflexes, composure, decisions, workrate, experience might help.
You DO NOT need high aggression level when composure is low, bravery, charisma, feedback, influence, teamwork.
You better not have morale higher than 1 as well.

And yes, thats metaphoric. *grin*

Try about thinking not having the skills and just talent. What's it worth: Nothing at all. You can have it engraved on your stone. "Here lies a talented gun-shooter. Sadly two seconds too slow and not calm enough".

I do not need to win races to know that Jack defines talent as it is put down in the dictionary. That man can read. ;-)

And concerning my manners:
First: Everybody believes whatever he wants. I know nothing. You know nothing. Jack knows.
So lets have fun by guessing and don't take life so serious.
I am playing a strategy game. And I play my role also here. Of course I am not Lord Hesketh (you might have had that thought already).
But of course I am anyway always right. ;-)

I really think, that my postings are in a form you might understand. You can't take them serious, do you?
I once said "if you take me too serious, you need more help I can give you".
Thats still valid. Look at it as entertainment.

I might have a strange sense of humor, but thats another story. :-)

And David: Congrats! :-) But you really shoudn't care about what I think. Your opinion does count. Surely to much more people than mine. Take it as I do: Just don't care about.
Keep smiling.
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medal 5000
12 years 273 days ago
I'd like to give a hint, what talent might mean:

It might be a factor to one, some, all skills? Hmm....
It might set a "highest level" of one, some, all skills? Hmm...
It might reduce atrophy of one, some, all skills? Hmm...

It might, it might....there is more. Its just a try to activate that thing behind the forehead on your own. And if you think you have it, believe in it until you learn some new aspects. All you need to do is watching, exploring, comparing.

You do not need to win a hundred races. That won't help to find the circle references.

Its an invitation to leave the thought of "if I press here, than it might happen there". It doesn't work that way. Think out of the box and back into it. What is valid in life and how could it be done by Jack into software. There is a lot of hint in the postings of Jack. Think about the way he thinks.

Its a strategy game. Clicking fuel loads and developing a fast car to win races is maybe one aspect. But surely not the most interesting part.

And if the moon is full and the light of the rising sun is falling through your basement window on a tuesday morning, there is this slight chance to find out some other very interesting things that happen with those sponsor-ghosts! *buaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh*
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