scumbag weather forecast

This has to change -.-

2 minutes before the lock it's heavy rain and I'm fititng full wets - qualifying is done and I lose 3 seconds because it's cloudy. 

The people that didn't prepare are now in front of the grid. This element of randomness brings nothing to the game. 

That's good to hear :)

Good to hear Jack.

Jaap, if you go into the advanced strategy and set your "if it rains" setting to full wets you don't have to worry about the "real" strategy. It will put you on full wets for the rain and if it stops you start on drys.

Yes but that would make me qualify on dry tyres in heavy rain if it continues raining, no?

I have no idea, if this is a disadvantage - yesterday we had a race at monza with heavy rain all the day, so - for testing - I set one of my drivers with a rain setup on wets and the other with a setup on hard tires. The one with the hard tires setup quallified 7 positions better than the other and even finished better on heavy rain...
That's why I hate wet races - it's just a gamble.

But anyway: in hope it will work some day there should be saveable setups, so we can manage it on our own - just one saved setup from last season is BS.

It's done it AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's dried up AGAIN during qually.. Really really getting fekked off with this now.

This has happened 3 times in the last 10 races.

This has messed up the race tonight and tbh. I would like it to be postponed.. As we want fair racing and not like it is.

A forcast is a forcast... live weather is... well... live.  If you are trying to use a forcast to do live weather you are missing something.  You need to check the local weather map to accurately(ish) gauge weather for qualy and race. The instant weather feed will not tell you what it will be like in 30 minutes, it tells you the 'live' weather and the forecast page is only going to show you the % of chance of rain ect.

You will have to guess if it will rain or not, which is the same as real F1 teams.  They can't slap slicks on 1 minute before the green flag.

So in a nut shell, I need to go outside the game to know what is going on in game... Makes sense. lol.

I just hope that this new system has some sort of solid base. I don't care if it's basic for the short term, anything is better than how it is now.

@ Chris. F1 teams are abele to chance some off the setup Before the race if it is raining and the qualy was dry. We can’t do a thing. Changing the tires, right height and the wings would be nice.
Ore hold the weather the same after lock down and at the start off the race
 

Forcasts and in-game live weather and real live weather do not match up at all.  Forcast yesterday for Imola was showing sunny and cloudy for the next 4 days with nothing nearing rain.  Half way thru the race it started raining, and when we checked real forcasts for the Imola area it was sunny with no rain.  How is it that we supposedly have real world weather in the game but it never matches the real world weather?

I understand that the feed is taken directly from Google weather. Perhaps that service is not as accurate as some others?

That would explain a lot since Google is killing off the weather api.  Jack and Andrew will have to re-do the game weather no matter what.  I'd suggest they just create their own random weather generation with % chance of rain at any given time and give a better weather forcast for the managers to use.

http://thenextweb.com/google/2012/08/28/did-google-just-quietly-kill-private-weather-api/

A weather engine built just for this game will reduce the chances of weather changing after lock down and reduice the chances of silly results. Like say all but 1 team for a league logs in and makes a very wet setup before lockdown cause that is the forecasted weather. The one team who didn't log in is given the default dry weather setup.

By the time quali happens, the track is bone dry and the one manager who didn't log in has taken pole by over 2 seconds due to a lack of wing cause they are on a dry setup as supoose to the rest of the field who are running maybe twice as much wing. 

Then as expected, during the race those 2 cars gallop away from the field and lap all but 6 cars in a 18 car field all because they didn't make a setup for the forecasted weather, while those who believed in the weather system not being ass, got royally screwed.

I understand that the weather can change and you have to adapt to that.  I have no problems with weather changes and how it affects the races.  My problem is that this is supposed to have real live weather being used but it often is raining for a race when in real life there is no rain at the track or near the track.

Thank you for that Jack. Correction noted

Yes Jack, but we don't get the opportunity to switch tyres once lockdown happens for quali. Could you tell us how quali works for what tyres are used? Say when someone did their setups it was on a done dry track cause thsy did their setups 30mins before lickdown, so their cars are planned to do quali on Softs.

Then another manager waits till it is 10mins before lockdown and when they do setups, it's raining so their setup will b e completely different. They plan to do the quali session on full wets. So when the quali results are up, the manager that waited longet gets pole cause it was wet. But what tyres would the other manager's drivers do quali on. Slicks or is it down to advanced strategy tyre selection?

Then we come to the race and the track is again bone dry. Now in F1 this wouldn't be much of a problem, qualifying and the race are rarely held on the same day, but for us they are, within 30mins of each other. Are you telling me the weather can be well over 25C with sunshine, then switch to heavy rain, then switch back to sunny to the point where the track switches from being best for Softs, to Full Wets and then back to Softs all in a time frame less than 30mins? The amount of rubbish this sounds is amazng and I live in Scotland and the weather isn't even that sparatic here.

Were ALL fed up of races being decided in that 30mins where we have zero control. In real life F1, you very rarely see driver heading onto track for a quali run with Slicks on when it is chucking it down and vice versa, but from what I see, that happens in iGP. 

Added to that that in F1, just cause quali was wet the day before, doesn't mean that the teams have to use the Full Wet when lining up for the start of the race, yet here in iGP that exact thing does happen cause we lose control in those 30mins between the start of lockdown and the race starting.

Enough is enough, this random factor needs to go.

Jack's main point was that that the compound you set as the compound to use when it start/stops raining is what will be used if the weather has changed since you did your initial setup.  This applies up until the point your cars actually line up on the grid.  I.e. if you were on a dry strategy, but it starts raining anywhere up to 10 minutes before the race, your cars will start with whatever you have set for the rain-start compound.  This applies to qualifying as well.  Your cars will use the weather strategy compound for qualifying if the set strategy doesn't suit the weather.


They would use the advanced strategy selection in this case.


The track's weather state is simulated (in accordance with real weather sources) whether or not there is a race running on it or not.  So just to clear one thing up - the track should definitely not suddenly change in wetness based only on the weather reading from the feeds at the start of a race.  However it may be that the tracks dry up and/or get wet too quickly.  This was adjusted with the aim of making the races themselves more engaging, we didn't take the pre-race delay into consideration while designing this.  So it could perhaps do with some adjusting.  However we have some changes already in development that will significantly alter this whole process anyway so I am tempted to leave this alone until the next update.


It is a real problem, we are not dismissing the concern.  As mentioned though, there are some changes coming that address this directly.


So long as it stopped raining 10 minutes before the start of the race, this shouldn't happen.  If it is still happening that's a serious bug and I will get it fixed.


Agreed, but only to an extent.  Several people have been asking that we create our own, fully fictional weather system.  But that is at least partly because they want the forecasts to be bang on accurate.  If we were to model the weather and forecasts ourselves I would explicitly include a "random factor" such that the forecasts were never 100% accurate.  I would do this because it would be more realistic that way.  So, I argue there should always be at least some randomness and uncertainty here.  The main problem is simply the 30 minute lockout where your hands are tied, and the 10 minute period in the main races where your cars are stuck with whatever compound they line up on the grid with.

I hope this helps.

Andrew can you please clarify something for me and Edwin because it has been a long running suspicion we've had in our league due to some VERY bizarre qualifying results.

A few races we have had where it is completely dry before the race, we all set up for a dry race with all of us having FULL WETS being the tyre of choice in the advanced strat. Now it starts raining before qualifying, and when the qualifying results come through we notice some teams are up to 6 seconds a lap faster than others.

Considering we all have very similar drivers with similar stats and similar talent and we all chose the same wet tyre, the only way this makes sense to me is that some qualified on slicks and some qualified on full wets (EG some qualified before it started raining and some qualified after). So with that, do teams qualify at different times throughout the qualifying period? This is literally the only logical explanation for the bizarre results we've had in the past.