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medal 5000
4 years 258 days ago (Last edited by Jason Chen 4 years 258 days ago)
Peter Man is buying up all the drivers that hold Lap Records and renaming them to "Peter Man".

Why does this matter? Because one of those drivers used to be mine. I set the Race Lap Record around the old British track (see https://igpmanager.com/app/d=circuit&id=8&tab=overview) with my driver (link to the driver's page). It was a moment I cherished and was very proud of. But today, when I wanted to revisit this record and relive some good memories, instead I discovered that Peter Man, a distinguished member of the iGP community no less, would put his personal pride above those of other managers, and shamelessly deprive me of the enjoyment of my past accomplishments. Thanks to Peter Man, I am not even capable of remember what my driver's name was. I tried to look for old iGP emails, old screenshots, videos uploaded to Youtube, just to try to remember my driver's name. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that this piece of memory will never come back to me.

The same has happened to many other managers. None of the record-holding drivers were named "Peter Man" when they set the record (see circuit records for AustraliaChina, BahrainSpainBelgiumItalySingaporeBrazil, Abu Dhabi, and Britain '19, he bought and renamed all these drivers after the record was set). If you look at the details of each driver named "Peter Man", you'll see that they all set their Lap Records with another manager.

Peter Man, if you want to hold a Lap Record, please do it the legitimate way. Don't f**king ruin other people's accomplishments.



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medal 5000
4 years 258 days ago
Thankfully, I still hold another record (specifically, Malaysia Race Lap Record), which was set by Grace Kotei, who had already retired. Otherwise Peter would have also bought her and renamed her.
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago (Last edited by Vance Sim 4 years 254 days ago)
Note: I apologize for my ridiculing, trolling, and furious tone, as well as baseless accusations, in my additional posts further below on this thread. I have apologized for my behavior on the forums here and acknowledge that my display does not reflect what is acceptable by the iGP community.

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That's an interesting endeavor to expend one's efforts on. Don't know what else to comment but, dayum, that's a lot of drivers bought and renamed just for said endeavor.

There are quite a number of managers I've raced with, Jason Chen included, who enjoy the challenge of setting lap records and they take pride in them especially when they look back on their time spent playing the game. And some of these records are pretty old so naturally some drivers' names might have changed since they were set. But this is as subtle as... well subtle is the wrong word to put it mildly.

I'm not one to point and say Peter's doing this out of ill will. It may just be for the lulz and attention and fun for all I know. And I admit I'm not as concerned about records as I imagine other managers might be, but surely you're not going to get entirely unnoticed going on this shopping and renaming spree.

On another note, very hilarious to see "Peter Man" driving for managers like Joey Mclane, Marcel Smid, and Jason Chen. I cracked up the moment I opened the Australia link and saw the results. Having watched managers like Joey and Marcel race, it's quite something.

Drive hard, everyone. 
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago

Jason

Don't f**king ruin other people's accomplishments.
Nik
It may just be for the lulz and attention and fun for all I know.

On another note, very hilarious to see "Peter Man" driving for managers like Joey Mclane, Marcel Smid, and Jason Chen. I cracked up the moment I opened the Australia link and saw the results. 



Well Nik B has hit the nail on the head..I have bought a 'few' drivers up for laughs..at least one person can see the funny side, lol! xD

Jason, the lap record links your team name underneath, so everyone knows it is yours. Not many people will take notice normally of what a driver is named, only the team name and therefore the manager manager, counts.
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago (Last edited by Jason Chen 4 years 257 days ago)
It may be funny for some, at the expense of the managers that actually did set the records.

From now on I'll hold on to my exceptional drivers until they retire.

Edit: typo
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago
If the record meant that much to you, then that is what you should have done in the first place.

You are fully aware that once you release a driver, anyone can buy him/her up.

Your error, not mine.
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medal 5413
4 years 257 days ago
Tbh even if it's done for the laughs it's kinda making it look like it's your own lap record when it's someone elses. Let's say some rookie joins and sees the fastest lap is by Peter Man (driver) he'll probably think it's a whole different person who set it, if you know what I'm trying to say. So i guess I'm just gonna buy loads of them drivers, call them james atkins and then release them
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago
I agree that I shouldn't have released my driver. But I stand my ground that buying all of them up and changing their names to yours is selfish.
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago
I must admit that this thread made me giggle a bit, I think it was quite a funny and I would probably do the same as Peter if I had thought about it before. 

That being said, I DO feel for you Jason. But you shouldn't blame Peter for this really, because that is how the game is currently built and set up

A possible solution could be to add a history tab of every driver where you can follow each transfer and name change by date etc. Or perhaps a name change should only be able to affect all data created after that name change. The lap record should have kept your old name. But this is up to the devs 
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago

Chris
A possible solution could be to add a history tab of every driver where you can follow each transfer and name change by date etc. Or perhaps a name change should only be able to affect all data created after that name change. The lap record should have kept your old name. But this is up to the devs 

This would be a good idea for the future.
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago (Last edited by Vance Sim 4 years 257 days ago)
Will preface this unnecessarily long post by saying two things: 
(1) My initial post, while trying to be subtle, wasn't actually condoning what Peter Man did, and if anything I was laughing at him rather than with him. I have never seen anyone on any online racing management game think of trying to make this many lap records, or any record for that matter, seem like theirs rather than working for it themselves, especially when you consider you're basically taking other people's records and trying to pass your own name on them. Yes, this 'exploit' is partly because of iGP, but a good part also because of Peter. I don't mean to censure Peter, but I do find this endeavor rather silly and I can understand how some would find it rude as well. 

(2) Regardless of how much those records mean to Jason, I do understand his grievance and don't understand why anyone would put the blame on Jason or any of the other managers whose drivers got snatched up and renamed by Peter just for Peter CrisPy Man to flash his name on fastest laps he never achieved himself. I understand renaming 1 driver for the heck of it (but preferably not to my own manager name lest I come off as trying to snatch someone's record and passing it off as my own), but at this point, with 10+ drivers on the records list bought and renamed to "Peter Man", it really looks like a concerted effort, whether out of pride or spite or lulz only Peter CrisPy Man would know.

Peter
If the record meant that much to you, then that is what you should have done in the first place.

You are fully aware that once you release a driver, anyone can buy him/her up.

Your error, not mine.

I think this is very indicative of Peter's attitude more than anything. Yes, a lot of the drivers who set the lap records are either old or retired, and yes I venture most have been released, bought by others, and some have been renamed as well. But to buy at least 10 drivers that made it on the list of qualy & race lap records, rename them all to your manager name, where the driver's name does show up first (so you do see the name "Peter Man" first) and only the team name when you view the results, I don't think anyone else but Peter Man would have done that simply because I believe most if not everyone else would not bother, or even have the audacity to even think of doing it. So to shift the blame to Jason on this is rather ridiculous, as there is no way Jason or I or anyone else could have anticipated a manager as attention-seeking and arguably as shameless as Peter CrisPy Man. So Crispy Pete, if you're trying to pin the blame on Jason not anticipating your grand plan, please, stand down, it's not a good look. 


A prank or joke in good faith is more something like... maybe you could buy one driver that has a lap record, rename it to something fancy (but as I said before, I won't rename it to my manager name), and that's that. I wouldn't buy up as many drivers of managers I've probably never raced with before just because they're on the lap records list and rename as many if not all of them to my manager name, even if the game's system doesn't disallow it, because at that point I'm just teetering the line of shitting on the managers and drivers who got these records legitimately. I would feel as though I were taking a dump on their efforts and showing quite a degree of disrespect to them and the community, but that's me. I can't speak for how others would feel. 

There is a degree of how far you can take things before they stop being in good faith in people's eyes. This is in good faith as Esteban's a good friend of Dan Ruglio and I. Hey Esteban has a Joey Mclane driving for him too, and I distinctly remember Joey once having an "Esteban Ruglio". But it's easy to tell that this is out of fun and not a concerted effort to do something like put your name on as many of other people's records. 

On Jason's points, the only thing I have to pick on is that even if it's not "Peter Man", all drivers can still be renamed, and unfortunately it seems to only way atm to preserve your driver's name when they set their records is to hold on to them, or hope they retire while they're still with you. CrisPy Peteman's suggestion to have a history of driver names looks nice on paper, but I can't imagine what that'd do to the servers, and how efficiently the data would be sorted, but maybe it's not as much effort as I'm thinking it'd take after all. Not sure if this silly endeavor is something the devs, mod team, etc. would take serious notice of though. But once again, there is no blame that can be reasonably pinned on Jason for this.

I didn't mean to come off as taking the moral high ground, so I'll close my wall of text with this:

Yes, I do understand not wanting "Peter Man" to drive for your team, especially when I didn't sign any contract for his name to show up anywhere in association with me. I'd be ranting too!
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago
Yet another very foreseen bug that remains open for anyone to exploit.  

Is Peter Man on the hook for wrongfully representing himeself?    yes!  clearly!

However, if the game allows him, you and me to do the same then it`s not a bug....is it? 

And if indeed it is a bug, then let me be the 1st one to say that there`s nothing to talk about here other than perhaps philosophical moral and ethical individual values.  

I see some familiar managers`name here....so I presume most of you are aware of  the `manager that was allow to, by the game, to buy a higher level driver than he was as a manager` something we`re all aware is a no-no by iGP. However, a so called bug allowed him to.... and the story goes on....

All Im saying is; fix the bugs and let us race already!
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medal 5000
4 years 257 days ago
It's not a bug, but rather something exploitable just for some internet points with no bearing on game performance. So we're jerking our e-peens a bit here, but I don't imagine I'd be pleased having someone try to pass off my records as theirs.
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medal 5000
4 years 256 days ago
Lol, I just thought he bought the drivers for no reason 
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medal 5000
4 years 256 days ago
I can understand Jason's point and frustration. I wouldn't want that someone would rename my driver, if I were ever to achieve a lap record. The record belongs to them who made it and should stand as their's. 

I find Peter Man's idea however funny in itself and it was a good scheme to draw attention to himself. But in order to stay funny he should rename the drivers back to their original names or at least give them a name where it is acknowledged who did the lap record. Something along the lines of: Jason Chen, now bought by Peter Man. Although it still may not be exactly what Jason wanted, at least his effort would be realised by the people seeing the lap record. 
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medal 5000
4 years 256 days ago (Last edited by Vance Sim 4 years 256 days ago)
Self
Lol, I just thought he bought the drivers for no reason 

Yes, Peter SelfHelp Man. I'm sure you bought 10+ drivers with qualy/lap records, probably having had them on your wishlist, renamed all of them to "Peter Man", all costing 5 tokens each, for no reason. I believe you, genuinely. Sorry for being so irksomely rude, disagreeable, and full of baseless accusations of account alt-ing posing as different people for your convenience and ginormous e-peen, and baseless armchair philosophy-ing (yes, armchair psychology and philosophy is not the most productive use of free time. My bad.).

Johnny
I find Peter Man's idea however funny in itself and it was a good scheme to draw attention to himself. But in order to stay funny he should rename the drivers back to their original names or at least give them a name where it is acknowledged who did the lap record. Something along the lines of: Jason Chen, now bought by Peter Man. Although it still may not be exactly what Jason wanted, at least his effort would be realised by the people seeing the lap record. 

Yes, that's actually pretty nice and something I'm highly intrigued to see. Maybe in his grand plan, Peter the CrisPy SelfHelp Man would at the end of his stunt rename all of the drivers to the names of the managers who set those records. I'm sure he's stocked enough tokens to do so.


Peter's a good Man. But when he's not rubbing the right way, he rubs wrong, not criminally wrong but... inappropriately wrong if you know what I mean. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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medal 5413
4 years 256 days ago
Please can we have some response from iGP on this? It's a disrespectful act to do, attention seeking, and it's basically just taking the lap record from someone else. I saw the lap record in australia taken by Peter man, I actually thought he set that lap instead of the other person. Unfortunately, the game mechanics allow this. I hope peter can change these names back to their original. 
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medal 5000
4 years 255 days ago

James
Please can we have some response from iGP on this? It's a disrespectful act to do, attention seeking, and it's basically just taking the lap record from someone else. I saw the lap record in australia taken by Peter man, I actually thought he set that lap instead of the other person. Unfortunately, the game mechanics allow this. I hope peter can change these names back to their original. 



Even if he wanted to change them all back to their original names.....what are the chances he actually remembers their names? lol!!
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medal 5000
4 years 255 days ago (Last edited by Vance Sim 4 years 255 days ago)
James
I saw the lap record in australia taken by Peter man, I actually thought he set that lap instead of the other person. 

Yes, James. Since they show the driver's name first, it's easy to get the impression that "Peter Man" set those records if you don't look at the results. 

James
Please can we have some response from iGP on this? It's a disrespectful act to do, attention seeking, and it's basically just taking the lap record from someone else. 

I think if anyone has the greatest right to bring this up to the iGP staff or mods it's Jason Chen or any of the managers who had their drivers... forcefully renamed to Peter Man's likeness ifyaknowwhatimean ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°). I believe they could make something work for Jason Chen's records, but I'd personally like for the others to be renamed back to their originals too if possible, or at the very least something else, something that could not make "Peter Man" come across as the one who set those records. I can also try bringing it up to the mods but I'll let the managers affected decide first. 

If iGP wants a (relatively) hard rule put in place for cases like these, it can be a rule against impersonation, which, if it fits the definition, could include posing as having records or achievements you otherwise do not have and rightfully belong to other managers. Peter Man can argue all he wants, but to me his intentions are pretty clear, especially with how he tried to shamelessly push the fault onto Jason Chen. 

As an ardent Joey Mclane fan who believes Peter Man, while a somewhat good manager in his own right, is not even as good as Joey's pinkie (or even as good as Marcel Smid's toned legs, Jason Chen's handsome hair, Kim Pederson's sturdy back, and more for that matter, apologies for my inappropriateness and dollar store-level banter), I can't have the records of Joey and co. sullied like this! *enraged fanboy fist pumping while hopping in place furiously*

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P.S.: As for my somewhat unrelated accusations about Peter Man's account alt-ing to pose as different people and manipulating likes/dislikes among others (don't let likes/dislikes control your life, friends), maybe this also makes a good case for needing new accounts to be registered with a verified email, or Google or Facebook account, etc. Only downside I can think of atm is it'll stop us from having as many teams as we'd like.

I won't say it'll stop alt-ing and posing entirely, but it could help. Having multiple accounts to race with different teams is fine, preferably in different leagues unless your league says otherwise. To pose as different people is another story entirely, and frowned upon by most of the internet in general.

I may be wrong about which accounts Peter is alt-ing with, and I'll gladly apologize if I have gotten some of those accounts wrong, but I know he's been alt-ing for a while now and at the very least has a whole lot of other accounts. 

Not sure if he has as many accounts as the legendary Gary Collyer though. ( ͡ʘ ͜ʖ ͡ʘ)
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medal 5000
4 years 255 days ago
When you don’t have nothing good to say just don’t say it


Ps: with good I mean positive 
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