Response to Forum Thread#26723

Time to respond. First off, and I have always said this from the start, it was done as a joke, with no malicious intent towards Jason Chen or any other managers. As I have said in a prior post, all team names are underneath, so anyone can see who set those respective times.

I can see Jason Chen's point of view, and I believe he can see my point of view, that the rules did not disallow this which enabled this joke/prank.


I am going to respond now to some of Nik B's accusations from the now closed thread.

Nik B : Post #11
"I'm just teetering the line of s******g on the managers and drivers who got these records legitimately. I would feel as though I were taking a dump on their efforts and showing quite a degree of disrespect to them and the community"

The irony here is truly amazing. I will post another link to explain:
igpmanager.com/forum-thread_4/18975 (Posts #43, Post #44)

So Nik B, have you apologised to all the league hosts you have shitted on and disrespected, when poaching and stealing managers from? My guess would be a no, the list would be far too long to respond from.

Maybe you didn't like the fact I stood up to you? I will strongly stand by my stance, that poaching and stealing managers is disrespectful to all the league hosts who work so hard in building up their leagues. Disgraceful to all the iGP Manager community.

Nik B : Post #16
"Peter's a good Man. But when he's not rubbing the right way, he rubs wrong, not criminally wrong but... inappropriately wrong if you know what I mean. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)"

What is that suppose to mean? I will let everyone else here interpret this one. It says a lot about Nik B psyche to accuse someone of this. I will not give a long psychology lesson, but rather you to read what Nik B wrote "inappropriately wrong if you know what I mean. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)" and link it to Nik B's psyche.

Nik B : Post #19
"As an ardent Joey Mclane fan who believes Peter Man, while a somewhat good manager in his own right, is not even as good as Joey's pinkie (or even as good as Marcel Smid's toned legs, Jason Chen's handsome hair, Kim Pederson's sturdy back"

On a slightly lighter note, this post made me laugh! I'm trying to understand where this fundamental anger from Nik B is coming from to say this. This issue with Jason Chen appears to be a prelude to him to insult and bully me online.

I will explain to you all some history in iGP and between myself and Nik B, so you can see the bigger picture, and not just from crazed Nik B's words.

The issue here could be that I have told directly to Nik B, that I have broken all his records in another league, Iron Horse iGP. As I have read in Nik B's prior post, he doesn't seem to care much about the records (although if you read his posts from end to end, you can see him contradict himself frequently to suit the situation)

Iron Horse records (Note: All of Nik B's old records were either broken by myself, Paolo and James. These times were all set with the old Hard tyre. None of Nik B's records stand.
http://ironhorseigp.com/

So records out, perhaps he feels threatened by me, as a faster manager? Only Nik B will truly know this answer.

Nik B : Post #23
"I'm not going to let you bully Jason especially with your alt accounts"

First off, Chris Py and Self Help are not me. To drag innocent Forums users into your crazed rant is despicable to say the least. These are newer players, and you are giving them a very poor, bullying experience in iGP Manager.

And could you quote on which post or phrase I said that was "bullying" towards Jason? The only bullying that anyone can see here, is from you, Nik B towards me and others you think are me, through all your posts. It will explain why the original post was close after your last bullying post.

To summarise, I will not stoop so low to make false accusations, but present everyone facts and quotes, so you can see the bigger picture. I have said earlier, this was a silly joke, but with no malice. Unlike what Nik B has been writing all in the prior posts.

So Nik B, why are you so angry? I have to say, it looks very much like a Jacques Villeneuve style rant. You have recently stopped racing, and I guess to stay relevant, you have to stir on Forums. But, it is not even stirring what Nik B has wrote, it is just plain bullying.

Or possibly perhaps, the anger stems from losing to Paolo and Franceso in iGP SuperLegend league? Paulo is a very fast manager, he was very close to me when I raced with him at the same level (within +5.0s of me in 100% distance) and the 2nd fastest manager I have raced against. You lost convincingly to Paolo, even with a higher level account, and then subsequently quit the league. Does the anger stem from losing to Paolo?

Finally, I respect Joey McLane, Marcel Smid, Kim Pedersen and Gary Collyer. But I do not respect you Nik B/Boomer Kid, after these last few days of your bullying episode against me.

You are a disgrace to iGP.

Peter, the point is it still makes it look like you set that lap when actually someone else did. We all see the driver instead of the actual team when looking at the fastest lap unless we view the race results. The fact that you try to make it jasons fault too says a lot about you. I have no opinion on the account alt-ing thing it might be your accounts might be not. 

@James I understand your point of view, but with the prior names, do you think managers thought that was driver was real, and they had actually set the time? Of course not, they were fictional names generated by RNG, so you had to look through the team, to see who set it.

That still remains the case. The team name can not be, correctly, changed. Only the correct team name links to the manager.

Perhaps having the manager name underneath/besides the changeable driver name could solve this issue. That way, everyone can clearly see which manager set which time more clearly, without having to do 2 clicks.

Although you have no opinion, I have to clarify, Self Help and Chris Py are not my accounts. These are newer players, who Nik B assumed were me, and subsequently bullied.

And do you condone this tone and language of Nik B's posts?

A good solution is not having the drivers name coming up for the fastest lap thing. We can have the manager and team name instead for it. That would help a lot. I have nothing against nik b, but i do think he wasn't accepting peoples opinions. Chris and self help are on your side (idk) and the others are on the other side. Just because people agree or whatever or think it's more funny it doesn't mean they are the same person. But by the game mechanics it looks like you set the lap instead of the person who actually set it. That's why a change would be good. 

2 iGP Heavyweights squaring off..

Beer ✔️ 
Popcorn ✔️
Refresh key close to hand ✔️
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First off, I'd like to apologize for my false accusations towards Peter and other managers I've wrongfully called out regarding account alt-ing. I stand by my point that Peter has at least alt-ed in the past, which I'll expand on further below though only briefly as I don't want to push any more accusations, especially potentially false ones, too far, and once again if I'm mistaken with those accusations I'll apologize. I also apologize for my aggressive and condescending tone in those forum posts that Peter has taken the time to outline, which can be interpreted as me trying to provoke a response, or in other words, me trolling. Regardless of the points I was making and intentions behind my sometimes condescending, sometimes sarcastic and jocular, sometimes furious tone, I agree I didn't come across as particularly tolerant, forgiving, or nice so all I can say to that unflattering display is sorry (some of the banter and jokes seemed funny at the time, but at the expense of Peter, so my apologies). This will be a rather long post, but I'd appreciate if you could bear with me.

I believe I've made most if not all my points regarding the whole lap records debacle clear enough. To summarize, I maintain that regardless of whether Peter did it as a joke, it's still a form of masquerade and I don't imagine most managers would be pleased to have other people claim their records as theirs, especially if Peter intends to keep those driver names. I also maintain that Peter didn't respond appropriately to Jason's grievances, especially with how he tried to put the fault on Jason, though I understand Peter could have reflected on his actions since then and come to a different understanding of the situation.

I think the rest of Peter's post is in response to my hard, furious assaults, of which I concede a good part of my remarks were uncalled for. I can easily say I made the more ridiculing comments in jest but I won't bore you all with such a cop-out defense (I honestly believe that Peter is one of the better managers out there. At the moment not as dominant as those I'd consider great but still a distinguished manager in the iGP community and with great potential nonetheless, so all the banter like how he's not as good as Joey's pinkie shouldn't be taken too seriously, and if Peter can find that funny too then I'm sure he's not gravely affected by that one). I apologize if my ridiculing comments were offensive, and I won't hesitate to admit that part of the reason for the ridiculing tone is to get back at Peter, on which once again I'll expand on further below, not to justify my tone but to give some background as to why my attitude towards Peter is as so.

The main reason for the tone I've taken towards Peter is my perception of Peter's attitude and behavior, not just in the lap records debacle but also influenced by a little incident we've had in the past that, while inconsequential to the present day looking back at it, left me disgusted with Peter back then, who I otherwise thought (and still think to some degree) is a decent bloke. I'll talk more about the little incident in a bit. I won't deny that it should be left in the past, and I've done my best to keep it in the past until recently, but seeing Peter not only pull his latest stunt, but also attempt to fault Jason and escape responsibility, probably using some of his other accounts to manipulate the value of 1 or 2 likes/dislikes again (once again this can be contested. I concede that some if not all the dislikes I or others have received are legitimate, but don't let dislikes control your life, fam), and I thought that nah, this time I'll give it to him harder, especially remembering his previous conduct.

But prefacing my story of the little incident that happened between Peter and I, I'll respond to Peter's understandable lambasting of my character (I actually think Jacques Villeneuve, in spite of all his s**t-stirring, was pretty great until somewhere round the middle of his BAR stint, I was rather impressed with him both in CART and F1 up to that point. Unpopular opinion, but I think Jacques was a better racer than his father Gilles, and Gilles was a pretty spectacular driver as most of you know, but I digress). 

Anyway, back on topic. Peter and I have never raced in any league, and I don't mind if he beats me should we race (even though of course I'd aim to beat anyone). I've been beaten by plenty of great managers before, Paolo, Francesco, and Dome Nico from IGP Super Legend included, and you're free to speak with the managers of IGP Super Legend to ask of my conduct there. I'm not racing atm as I'm taking a break from racing activities on iGP, at the moment not being able to commit to the race times as I would've liked without some sacrifice, with my ability and form being secondary (though of course I'd like to be at my best but I can't win them all). That doesn't mean I'm away from the forums though. Also, I wasn't aware I held any records that Peter could beat until he told me, and I'm glad for his achievements and those cannot be taken away from him. I do remember responding something to the effect of, that while race times, lap records, and so on could be a good indicator of a manager's pace, comparing each other's race times is not a wholly reliable indicator of whether you'll surely beat this manager or not as the race could be a different story entirely. Various conditions could affect lap times and race times from car design to track temps, and of course the player's own choices of strategy and push levels and tactics, traffic and more. I might not have said all of that, but something to that effect. If Peter took that as a sign (surely not the only sign in Peter's view) of me being threatened by an up-and-coming manager (of which there are many. I take occasional breaks on this game and every time I come back, the competition is only getting ever stronger), then okay, that's understandable. If I didn't feel somewhat threatened I don't think I'd be able to have a competitive enough mentality to compete with some of the best managers on this game. Still, when it comes to competition, I try to do most of my talking in the race. 

So really the only history I've had with Peter, in my view at least, has to go back to when I was scouting for managers for a new private league I was creating with some of my friends, and gives some indication as to why my attitude towards Peter Man is so. The following content on this post will be discussing that, and those reading are free to have their own opinions and stances regarding the issue. All I can do is share my point of view below. My testimony if you would:

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Sometime in June/July this year, I planned to create this new private league and shared this idea with friends on this game like Gary Collyer, the long-time iGP legend who is munching on popcorn and taking swigs of beer on the post right above mine. We wanted a league with as many competitive managers as possible, preferably some of the best managers currently active on this game, which was the reason for creating it in the first place. Thus it was our plan to invite managers we considered competitive and most likely would enjoy the league's format, and we would invite them via private messages, which is not something I haven't done before. I've mentioned Paolo, Francesco, and Dome earlier, and they were among the few we'd sent invites to as well. Anyway, Gary and co. and I would share which managers we were inviting as we were going about our scouting for the new league. Back then we had a reputation criteria, but amended it to having no reputation criteria sometime after we tried to invite managers like Peter Man.

I happened to be the one inviting Peter Man. My message to him was rather enthusiastic in tone, maybe overly friendly, but I was excited about the new league at the time. I explained to Peter that we were starting a new private league, that aims to have a field of competitive managers, some of the best managers on this game if possible, and that he was gladly invited. I understand Peter Man is running a league of his own too, and one of the members of his league was also someone on our wishlist and we'd also sent that manager an invite. That manager was Bastian Ba, who I'd also sent a message to at the same time as Peter. I believe this is one of the contentious points of this incident looking back at it now. I won't play dumb and say that nah, I'm not aware both of them were in the same league and I didn't know that as I was scouting them. I knew, and that's why in my invite to Peter, I notified him that we've sent Bastian a league invite as well. Likewise to Bastian, I'd notified him we were inviting Peter. I was aware Bastian had at least 2 accounts, and if he's interested in our new league he'd have to enter with one of them, and I am aware that a number of experienced managers have multiple accounts on this game. Still, I didn't want to come across as stealing managers from Peter's league, or anyone's league for that matter, hence my notification to Peter about any managers from his league we have also invited, understanding that managers like Bastian have multiple accounts and that I have no intention of coming across as stealing them from his league. If Peter wanted to join our league he has multiple accounts to do so as well. 

Bastian accepted the invitation to our new league. Peter rejected, but rejected politely with no hint of ill feeling that I could read from his message then, though his message had quite a hint of pride that I found amusing at the time; it's nice for iGP to have some characters after all. I won't share his message as I didn't archive it and it's gone now unfortunately, but Peter's reply was by far the most prideful of all the managers I've sent leagues invites to through my 3 or so years of playing this game, and I don't deny that I can be a little prideful myself. He wasn't rude, just prideful. It was not the first bunch of league invites I've sent either. I think the earliest I've sent a league invite was back in late 2017. I send all league invites through private messages, whether I'm the host of the league or not, mostly to managers whom I believe are looking for competitive leagues. 

So yeah, Peter and I were cool then, and during the introduction of Quick Races, we even found ourselves in a QR together. Valencia iirc. For some reason the chat wasn't disabled (as it is now on Quick Races), so we chatted, and he was a friendly bloke. He talked about his league quite excitedly, talked about his plans for livestreaming his league's races, iGP Youtube, which has some of the better production quality among the iGP manager videos you can find, and I wished him all the best with it and that I was looking forward to it. I talked a little about IGP Super Legend and other stuff, most which I can't remember at the moment. I remember Peter talked about how on QRs, you stop getting parts wear after a certain point, and I made a joke that went "Self-repairing cars. Biotech has come far", which got a laugh out of Peter. Yes, everything seemed fine between us then. 

At the time I was hosting another league, League of Legends (I am not its current host now, or the host of the league I started with Gary for that matter; Gary's its host now). League of Legends is not the league I was creating with Gary, so yeah, seems unrelated to Peter for now, but you'll see. The original host of LoL had left to create basically another League of Legends as the schedule and time of the original was difficult for him to make it. League of Legends is also a private league and from the very beginning often recruited members through invites through private messages as well, while also having a forum thread. I was not on this game when the first season started, but when I returned to the game early this year I joined the league mid-season, having received invitat

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You weren't joking were you? :)

Thank you Peter, you are one of the three fastest managers (Boomer and Marco Italiani the other two) I've ever raced against.

As you said, I was close to you (about 5.0s) until Bahrein, when I had a weaker car, as I had just joined Iron Horse. You left the league after I won three races out of the following four, I never understood why. Anyway, I read my name and I answered, just to be more accurate :)

Results in iGP Super Legend don't matter too much in my opinion, by the way. That league is very "weird".

Edit: I forgot Lucas Senna, another very fast manager!

Thank you Paolo..would like to race against you again sometime :))

There was an issue with Pun over there after Bahrain, if you recall, he accused me of promoting another league. After that, a very sharp drop off in my performances as you saw, very sharp drop off as I did not want to be in a league, where I get accused of things wrongly.

Shame, but you should always be happy in-game, in my opinion. My mistake was not leaving straightaway after the false accusation, after Bahrain, and hoping I could somehow forget about what was accused. Every race after that, I got worse and worse! I couldn't forget what was said, sadly. Only at Monaco, when Pun was off for the race, I won. You may remember, I barely spoke in the race viewer chat after Bahrain, when Pun was on. Before I would talk a lot..probably too much!

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EDIT:

I believe the only way me and Nik B/Boomer Kid will sort this out, is on the track :-)

So I will say now @Nik B/Boomer Kid: When you come back from your break, let us, and anyone interested, race in the same league :)

I am sure after this popcorn show, the masses demand we race! ^_^

The results of those races maybe say something else, you still gave 10 - 15s to the other managers, and in Silverstone I remember me and Marco having an insane pace. But I can understand that you weren't at your 100%. We can sort it out racing against again! I'm in for your challenge to Boomer :)

@Nik B, I might have forgiven you, but I and other managers won’t look at you in the same way, like Peter man said, you are a disgrace to this community witch is sad, it will take a long time to sort things out

@Peter man, dang thanks for defending me and Chris but you should calm down a little so you accidentally start bullying Nik B and become what you just criticised 

@James Atkins I wasn’t in the side of anyone in that case, I just tried to say don’t make it a big deal it was a good joke but it wasn’t something that important to everyone to FREAK OUT like that, so let’s just put that in the past

@kevin Bessel THANKS FOR SORTING THINGS OUT

How is it not a big deal? Joke or not it ain't funny to basically make someone elses lap record look like your own. I'm sure peters a nice person he just made the wrong move by the looks of it. But now i hope that he won't do this again, and if possible rename the drivers to their original state, or just rename them to the managers name. 

lol could make a movie out of it

Where does one reserve spots for the show?

After my Name is fallen its Time to take Part. 
At first i am good with both Peter and Nik and enjoyed racing against both, both are Part of the strongest managers IGP has to offer.
I really like the idea that you want to solve your issue on the track, would like to be part of that league:) in my eyes that is the best solution, because you can't say who is better without racing a couple of seasons against each other, because of race dynamics, random factor(qualifying when all performance stats are maxed) blocks, DRS usage and so on....
i personally need 2-3 seasons to get used to a league.

Regarding renaming drivers and league advertisement by pm i don't see an issue, whatever is allowed is legal in my view.

in case of renaming i hope the devs read it and adjust the lap times, that it is possible again to set new records, then this conflict would lead to a positive outcome. So there would be no need to rename old drivers.
in case of adverising i got plenty of them from plenty of leagues, some better like Niks some worse from managers i will not mention like"come join my league"
honostly i am thankful for these active hosts who take the time and write a personalized message, because from that message you can find out if you fit in. especially when you are a top manager, i have been in plenty of leagues and just 3 were good enough for me:)
one is peters which i found in the forum and the others were via pm one is IGP F1 and one is German Elite League. By the way if Simon from GEL would not have messaged me i would have stopped playing in December after one other league host complained too much about my speed.

Thanks, Peter Man. Once again apologize for my conduct from before, and I apologize to Self Help and Chris Py too, both of whom I've sent short personal apologies to. Obviously I've had my disagreements with you, but I'm willing to put those aside and hopefully have some more fun and chill times on this game. Whether I or other managers still take issue with some of your stunts, or mine for that matter, we'll deal with them whenever appropriate. But for now I'm glad that things can be cleared up. 

I'm grateful for the offer to race against you. Maybe in a newly created league? Or even a league hosted by someone other than us, newly created or not. I'd like to hear your thoughts. I was thinking if I should private message you about plans for racing together or just post it here, but I'll tease a bit of my ideas here first if that's all right. Anyone is free to comment as well. 

I cannot make any promises on when I can return to racing in leagues, especially on a set schedule, but when I'm ready to return racing I'll hit you up. I want to be able to commit to at least 2-3 seasons. There's also the issue of what times we can race together but that can be discussed in due time.

I also remember that managers like Paolo di Giovanni and Lucas Senna would like to be in the same league again, with Lucas once approaching me (while I was inviting him to iGP F1) with the idea of him, Paolo, and me in a league together, and I'm sure they'd love to race with you as well, as evidenced by Paolo's posts here. In the middle of writing this I suddenly remembered the AOR league which you've won the first championship of. I don't think I can commit to a schedule of racing once per week over 17 weeks so unfortunately that's not on the table for me atm, even though I do like to try out for the opportunity to be part of an official league. I think when AOR started this year I hadn't returned to the game yet.

If we were to race in the same league I'd prefer if we could have a competitive field to go with it, so if you can agree to inviting other managers if need be, for once you'll have to get your feet wet in the realm of scouting for managers if you haven't done so already, but if you don't want to that's all right, we can discuss something. We can do 100% distance, 2x speed (Lucas and Paolo may prefer that too) unless you'd prefer a different format. I haven't done 100% in a while, especially with the new tires (which I prefer over those from the Hards Dominance era), but 100% is what I started iGP with and I've always been competitive with it. Some of my favorite races on iGP were done on 100% distance, especially back in 2017 when I raced against Gary Collyer for the first time (actually if Gary has time to spare, he could use one of his many accounts to join us too in the same league). I've raced and had some success in almost every format on iGP; 1-car, 2-car, every distance except 25% (I haven't raced 25%), every speed too, so I'm okay with anything. 

Enjoy your day.

Edit: You're free to join us, Bastian! Peter would definitely like that too. 

I really doubt that would be necessary, i have been following, the threads, since they started, and if i was anywhere near a top manager i would want to be in that league, i am sure there are a few top managers who have been following the thread like me who would want to be part of that league. If it ever does happen, let me know the league details so i could at least spectate.

Interesting, actually not really. 

It`s hard to stay on topic reading such long and some times very off topic posts... Make your point before the reader fall asleep.

What started as misrepresentation topic is now a who`s-the-better-manager topic?  lol!! 

There was a wrong doing, however intended...  Joke or no joke.  

What was the resolution on the original post? Who knows!! and some of you would say; who cares!  It was closed by a MOD, why, if not resolved or expired? 

:) ?

A 4102-word post! Nik B, can you write my college essays for me?