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New: 'Advanced strategy' toggle (off by default)

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medal 7048 FOUNDER & WEB DEV
97 days ago (Last edited by Jack Basford 97 days ago)
A new 'toggle' has been added for advanced strategy options, whereby you must first activate them before they will come in to effect. If you don't select anything on advanced strategy, it won't be used.

Additionally, we continue work on the update which will introduce the option to change tyres before the start of a race.

This latest change (the introduction of a toggle switch) is in response to feedback from numerous managers that wanted more control and clarity over how the system worked. For many, it was proving confusing in this interim stage of updates to the system that advanced strategy was used for the race start, but not from the point at which you attend the race. This way, we have the best of both worlds. You can control whether it is used at the race start, and during the race.

Note: This update does not modify the previous one (mentioned as the 'first stage' in my blog). Even if you activate advanced strategy, it will still be deactivated from the point at which you join the race and manually take control within the race viewer.

WARNING: This update my require a cache clear or 'hard refresh' on desktop browsers in particular before it will be visible.
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medal 9156
97 days ago
Thank you very much Jack.
You already mentioned that the advanced strategy will work in the same way as it does now if I choose to activate it.

So my remaining question(s) is(are):
What will happen if it's wet when I choose to deactivate adv. strategy?
Will inters still be fitted as it would be with the default adv. strategy on or do we have to take care of that from now on, too?
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medal 7048 FOUNDER & WEB DEV
97 days ago
If you saved a strategy with advanced strategy 'off' then everything is 100% manual. You must account for everything in your normal strategy. It will start on your chosen tyre regardless of the weather conditions.
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medal 9156
97 days ago
Thank you for clarifying that, Jack.
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medal 8238
96 days ago

Jack
If you saved a strategy with advanced strategy 'off' then everything is 100% manual. You must account for everything in your normal strategy. It will start on your chosen tyre regardless of the weather conditions.


Can we add an option for inters and wets in advance? With wets taking preference? 


So inters if 1mm wets if 4mm.  Wets will win when it’s met?
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medal 7904
96 days ago
Have you not got this the wrong way round? Should it not be "on by default" with an option to turn it off or there could be a lot of cars driving on dry tyres in wet conditions
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medal 8353
96 days ago
I have a question about this toggle.

In advance strategy, one can also configure default push level.
When the toggle is off, one cannot change tyres but still change the push level.
It's all grey but still available, it's a bit confusing.

So will changing the push level but keeping the toggle off still apply the default push level ?

Thanks for the answer and for the work done.
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medal 8238
96 days ago
How about this for a thought? you can save a default strategy (I am not sure I ever change mine unless I know its going to be VERY unpredictable) and this is then how it is set till you change it. 

Below is a mock up. there is no need to have anything other than inters or wets. maybe SS but thats where you should be setting up a good default strategy. 

But with the mock up you can choose to turn on only some features. (personally I set my laps to more than the race as I don't like it choosing the change but I see how it is useful. and if you never want to use wets or inters then turn that one off. 

The highest mm match wins. also if you want no strategy but just push level then set all toggles to off but the top all off. 

Thoughts?

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medal 7904
95 days ago
Antony Pugh - that wet weather setup is exactly what we need
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medal 8338
95 days ago
I am struggling to understand how this works. Today at a race in Singapore. I do my set up toggle the advanced set up on set up wet tires for 3mm. Join the race and I have qualified on S tires and started the race with soft tires when the track was 3.2mm wet from the start.
How should I set up the new system when I know it is going to be wet?
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medal 7904
94 days ago
My race ruined because of this update, it's a joke. I dd a wet setup then it put me on dry tyres for the next 3 stints. You now have cars driving around  on dry tyres in wet conditions. This is making your game gone from brilliant to looking silly. I think you should seriously rethink this. If it's wet then cars should be on wet tyres regardless of setup
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medal 7751
93 days ago
This new settings has given an advantage to all the players that regularly attend their races.

As Antony suggested, the advanced strategy should have a separate option for inters and wets for the depths.
Although realistically those settings should always be the same.
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medal 9270
90 days ago
Can someone please explain tome,what is the diference of previous version and this one when you have toggle on? Isnt it the same thing? Why would I turn it off? If its dry,your set up will work as usual,and when its rain it will put you on the tyres you choose for rain.. Im really failing to see what is the point of this!? It didnt change anything
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medal 7751
90 days ago
It's made it worse for those that watch the part of the race but had to leave.
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medal 8495
81 days ago
Isn't visible for me
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medal 5659
74 days ago
thank you
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medal 9400 MODERATOR
73 days ago

Antony
How about this for a thought? you can save a default strategy (I am not sure I ever change mine unless I know its going to be VERY unpredictable) and this is then how it is set till you change it. 

Below is a mock up. there is no need to have anything other than inters or wets. maybe SS but thats where you should be setting up a good default strategy. 

But with the mock up you can choose to turn on only some features. (personally I set my laps to more than the race as I don't like it choosing the change but I see how it is useful. and if you never want to use wets or inters then turn that one off. 

The highest mm match wins. also if you want no strategy but just push level then set all toggles to off but the top all off. 

Thoughts?






It's a brilliant idea, but it removes the possibility of the manager's error, which is what's currently happening. Many get confused with the Advanced Options and blame the game for an error, etc. The real mistake is the manager who doesn't know how it works.
I admit that before it worked with errors, but now that it does it without problem many managers still believe that it works as it was before and there is the problem.
There is no double chance in the rain tyre, you risk using Intermediate or Full Wet. That happens in Formula 1 races (which so many managers want it to be similar to iGP with F1).

If a team starts the race with an "M" in water conditions on the track, it means they DID NOT MAKE THE STRATEGY. Having in the Main Strategy the predefined tyre "M", and the advanced options disabled, "the game" will place "M", it is the only tyre available.
If, for example, a manager in the main strategy places "SS", "S" or "M", and activates the Advanced Options button, in the case of water on the track the predefined tyre is the "I" for 0.0mm, so in the case of water on the circuit he will use "I".
If it is established that, in the case of track water, the tyre to be used is W when it exceeds 3.0 mm, then if the water reaches or exceeds 3.0 mm it will use W, otherwise it will go out on the track with the compound of the main strategy, i.e. "SS, S or M".
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medal 9400 MODERATOR
73 days ago

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I am struggling to understand how this works. Today at a race in Singapore. I do my set up toggle the advanced set up on set up wet tires for 3mm. Join the race and I have qualified on S tires and started the race with soft tires when the track was 3.2mm wet from the start.
How should I set up the new system when I know it is going to be wet?


If you look at the rain gauge and it indicates more than 3.0mm of water on the track, I recommend you DO NOT ACTIVATE the button of advanced options and place in the main strategy the tires "W", with that I guarantee you will make qualy and start the race with "W". If it stops raining during the qualy, you will start the race with "W" unless you enter the race live and choose the right tyre for the occasion. Keep in mind to make the change before the traffic light appears.
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medal 8238
71 days ago

Facundo

Antony
How about this for a thought? you can save a default strategy (I am not sure I ever change mine unless I know its going to be VERY unpredictable) and this is then how it is set till you change it. 

Below is a mock up. there is no need to have anything other than inters or wets. maybe SS but thats where you should be setting up a good default strategy. 

But with the mock up you can choose to turn on only some features. (personally I set my laps to more than the race as I don't like it choosing the change but I see how it is useful. and if you never want to use wets or inters then turn that one off. 

The highest mm match wins. also if you want no strategy but just push level then set all toggles to off but the top all off. 

Thoughts?






It's a brilliant idea, but it removes the possibility of the manager's error, which is what's currently happening. Many get confused with the Advanced Options and blame the game for an error, etc. The real mistake is the manager who doesn't know how it works.
I admit that before it worked with errors, but now that it does it without problem many managers still believe that it works as it was before and there is the problem.
There is no double chance in the rain tyre, you risk using Intermediate or Full Wet. That happens in Formula 1 races (which so many managers want it to be similar to iGP with F1).

If a team starts the race with an "M" in water conditions on the track, it means they DID NOT MAKE THE STRATEGY. Having in the Main Strategy the predefined tyre "M", and the advanced options disabled, "the game" will place "M", it is the only tyre available.
If, for example, a manager in the main strategy places "SS", "S" or "M", and activates the Advanced Options button, in the case of water on the track the predefined tyre is the "I" for 0.0mm, so in the case of water on the circuit he will use "I".
If it is established that, in the case of track water, the tyre to be used is W when it exceeds 3.0 mm, then if the water reaches or exceeds 3.0 mm it will use W, otherwise it will go out on the track with the compound of the main strategy, i.e. "SS, S or M".


So the trick is that depending on temp and circuit. The wets vs inters are different.  Choosing a tyre the same way every time then will be unpredictable.  How ever. A good starting point 

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medal 8940
70 days ago
Nice one
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