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medal 5000
3 years 354 days ago (Last edited by Lai Yong Liang 3 years 354 days ago)
Jack, is it a joke that having hall of fame in the game?? (Luckily I didn't put this kind of words into the title of topic otherwise someone will say that I'm clickbait the thread)

Currently our reputation calculation system are,
1. If the capacity of the league higher, then you will gain higher reputation.
2. if an average player joins a high reputation league, he will raise his reputation even if he never wins or score any podiums. And if a strong manager joins a low reputation league, his reputation will stay low even if he wins lots of races and championships.

The problem is,
1. Many managers didn't even know the hidden tip of the game (they just only know activating DRS in every laps), but they were still able hitting 10000 reputation easily and reached top 300 in the hall of fame if they were playing in a high reputation league.

What I suggest on our reputation calculation system are:
1. If the capacity of the league higher, then you will gain higher reputation. (this calculation is actually pretty nice so you can force managers not trying open a new league if they don't have any relationship with other managers in the game)
2. The league average reputation is depend on the average reputation of managers. [sorry Joao, this's that one Edited]
3. The manager reputation need to depends on our finished race times (how many times that we finished in 50%, 75% or 100% length races).

Conclusion,
This will show that DRS is not the only way to let you become faster in the game. There're still a lot of hidden tips in the game and bugs in selected track (ex: Interlagos) and the change of calculation system will force everyone to figure out more about the game.

Regards,
Lai.

In 1st Race Of Season (Elite Tier):
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sochi Autodrom (2 Cars League): 46:04:000
Then you will get 60 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sochi Autodrom (2 Cars League): 46:34:000
Then you will get 30 reputation from the race.

In 20th Race Of Season (Elite Tier):
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): 43:32:000
Then you will get 60 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): 44:02:000
Then you will get 30 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): >44:32:000
Then your reputation will started getting deduct.

p/s: Every level managers will have different reputation calculation system.
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medal 5001
3 years 354 days ago
So you suggest making reputation depending on the number of races you finish, regardless of the place you finish in? So beeing last or beeing first would gain the same amount of reputation?
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medal 5000
3 years 354 days ago (Last edited by Lai Yong Liang 3 years 354 days ago)
Slo
So you suggest making reputation depending on the number of races you finish, regardless of the place you finish in? So beeing last or beeing first would gain the same amount of reputation?



Depending on you & everyone finished race times, instead of the position that you have finished, and your race objective.
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medal 5001
3 years 354 days ago
Lai
Slo
So you suggest making reputation depending on the number of races you finish, regardless of the place you finish in? So beeing last or beeing first would gain the same amount of reputation?



Depending on you & everyone finished race times, instead of the position that you have finished, and your race objective.


Wouldn’t that favour 22 race seasons? Their cars are better developed at the end of the season so they will always have faster times and/or smaller gaps
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medal 5000
3 years 354 days ago
It wasn't easy to propose a worse reputation system and you did it!!!
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medal 5000
3 years 354 days ago (Last edited by Lai Yong Liang 3 years 354 days ago)
Slo
Lai
Slo
So you suggest making reputation depending on the number of races you finish, regardless of the place you finish in? So beeing last or beeing first would gain the same amount of reputation?



Depending on you & everyone finished race times, instead of the position that you have finished, and your race objective.


Wouldn’t that favour 22 race seasons? Their cars are better developed at the end of the season so they will always have faster times and/or smaller gaps



Maybe develop team can make a balance for that, so that 20++ races season won't get favour on it.
Ok, I think you don't really understand so let me give some examples:

In 1st Race Of Season (Elite Tier):
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sochi Autodrom (2 Cars League): 46:04:000
Then you will get 60 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sochi Autodrom (2 Cars League): 46:34:000
Then you will get 30 reputation from the race.

In 20th Race Of Season (Elite Tier):
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): 43:32:000
Then you will get 60 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): 44:02:000
Then you will get 30 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): >44:32:000
Then your reputation will started getting deduct.

p/s: Every level managers will have different reputation calculation system.

Sorry, Joao. something I've written wrong on the thread so I'm editing my thread again now.
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medal 5001
3 years 354 days ago

Lai
Slo
Lai
Slo
So you suggest making reputation depending on the number of races you finish, regardless of the place you finish in? So beeing last or beeing first would gain the same amount of reputation?



Depending on you & everyone finished race times, instead of the position that you have finished, and your race objective.


Wouldn’t that favour 22 race seasons? Their cars are better developed at the end of the season so they will always have faster times and/or smaller gaps



Maybe develop team can make a balance for that, so that 20++ races season won't get favour on it.
Ok, I think you don't really understand so let me give some examples:

In 1st Race Of Season (Elite Tier):
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sochi Autodrom (2 Cars League): 46:04:000
Then you will get 60 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sochi Autodrom (2 Cars League): 46:34:000
Then you will get 30 reputation from the race.

In 20th Race Of Season (Elite Tier):
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): 43:32:000
Then you will get 60 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): 44:02:000
Then you will get 30 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): >44:32:000
Then your reputation will started getting deduct.

p/s: Every level managers will have different reputation calculation system.

Sorry, Joao. something I've written wrong on the thread so I'm editing my thread again now.



Sorry, I cant see how this would prove to managers that DRS is not the only way to be fast as you say.
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medal 5000
3 years 354 days ago
the system of calculation of the current Reputation is completely wrong .... just look at the first page and above all the first in the ranking Lucas is one of the strongest managers I have ever met on this there is no doubt he is a manager that I respect very much and that I had the honor of having in my league and in my opinion bringing that accaunt to 10000 in 40 races he has wanted to demonstrate the uselessness of that ranking ..... many of those who are on the front page a manager like Joao can beat them without even using his hands ..... now I do not say that this idea is better but that something should be changed yes
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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago (Last edited by Lai Yong Liang 3 years 353 days ago)
Slo

Lai
Slo
Lai
Slo
So you suggest making reputation depending on the number of races you finish, regardless of the place you finish in? So beeing last or beeing first would gain the same amount of reputation?



Depending on you & everyone finished race times, instead of the position that you have finished, and your race objective.


Wouldn’t that favour 22 race seasons? Their cars are better developed at the end of the season so they will always have faster times and/or smaller gaps



Maybe develop team can make a balance for that, so that 20++ races season won't get favour on it.
Ok, I think you don't really understand so let me give some examples:

In 1st Race Of Season (Elite Tier):
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sochi Autodrom (2 Cars League): 46:04:000
Then you will get 60 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sochi Autodrom (2 Cars League): 46:34:000
Then you will get 30 reputation from the race.

In 20th Race Of Season (Elite Tier):
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): 43:32:000
Then you will get 60 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): 44:02:000
Then you will get 30 reputation from the race.
Your Finished Time in 50% Length Race at Sepang (2 Cars League): >44:32:000
Then your reputation will started getting deduct.

p/s: Every level managers will have different reputation calculation system.

Sorry, Joao. something I've written wrong on the thread so I'm editing my thread again now.



Sorry, I cant see how this would prove to managers that DRS is not the only way to be fast as you say.



There will have some varation of race times (the system need to balance and adjust itself) once the temperature, weather condition have changed.

Even though my idea is not the best but surely the current reputation calculation system need to change as what Dome said. At least I've pointed out all of the mistake of our current reputation calculation system. If you have better idea of changing the reputation calculation system, plz committing below and let we discuss together, not just keep giving dislike to my thread but can't think a better suggestion than mine!

Regards,
Lai.
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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago
you could start by removing a point from the reputation of those who are not active in the league .... the problem is not solved but at least there will be managers active in the top places of the ranking
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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago
Dome
you could start by removing a point from the reputation of those who are not active in the league .... the problem is not solved but at least there will be managers active in the top places of the ranking



Nope, the reputation can't depend on the activity of managers. Many 10000 reputation managers around the hall of fame whose understand how hidden tips working had chose to retire their team when they reached 10000 reputation (Example: Kevin Bissell, Team PeterMan 1st Team) and basically they will not let the game to drop their reputation every day if they're inactivity. The game doesn't have any permission to deduct manager reputation when manager chose to retire his team.

Regards,
Lai.


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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago
Lai

Many 10000 reputation managers around the hall of fame had chose to retire their team when they reached 10000 reputation.

This is a problem!! Too many people reach 10000 and change accounts. 

Lai
The game doesn't have any permission to deduct manager reputation when manager chose to retire his team.

Why not?? Do you decide the game rules?
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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago

Joao
Lai

Many 10000 reputation managers around the hall of fame had chose to retire their team when they reached 10000 reputation.

This is a problem!! Too many people reach 10000 and change accounts. 

Lai
The game doesn't have any permission to deduct manager reputation when manager chose to retire his team.

Why not?? Do you decide the game rules?


But some of the peoples don't like to manage 2 teams at the same time (most of them force to manage their team again if the game has deducted their reputation due to inactivity). On the other side, some of them won't manage their team again when they hit 10000 reputation although the game deducted their reputation after they chose to retire the team. It actually depends different opinions from different managers (the dev team must balance this issue by itself or we can have a vote for that).

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medal 5001 Super Mod
3 years 353 days ago
Lai

The reason that I no longer use this team for racing is that I only have time to manage one team. This is the first team I created and is linked to my Moderator account. I would be more than happy to allow my team to drop in reputation because I'm not actively competing in a league. In fact it must have been over a year ago that I suggested either:


  • Reputation for teams not actively competing should decay every month or

  • A filter button is placed on the HOF page, by default inactive teams would be hidden but pressing the button would unhide the inactives. In this way legendary managers such as Joey McLane who no longer play the game wouldn't lose their place. 



Lucas has successfully demonstrated that it is possible to exploit both of these solutions by creating your very own "Reputation Farm". So tweaking the current system is never going to work, what we need is a new system. The challenge for the devs would be to create a system that accurately identifies the very best managers in the game but is not open to exploitation by a few very inventive individuals.

All I can say to them is... "Good luck with that" LOL 
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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago (Last edited by Lai Yong Liang 3 years 353 days ago)
Kevin
Lai

The reason that I no longer use this team for racing is that I only have time to manage one team. This is the first team I created and is linked to my Moderator account. I would be more than happy to allow my team to drop in reputation because I'm not actively competing in a league. In fact it must have been over a year ago that I suggested either:


  • Reputation for teams not actively competing should decay every month or

  • A filter button is placed on the HOF page, by default inactive teams would be hidden but pressing the button would unhide the inactives. In this way legendary managers such as Joey McLane who no longer play the game wouldn't lose their place. 



Lucas has successfully demonstrated that it is possible to exploit both of these solutions by creating your very own "Reputation Farm". So tweaking the current system is never going to work, what we need is a new system. The challenge for the devs would be to create a system that accurately identifies the very best managers in the game but is not open to exploitation by a few very inventive individuals.

All I can say to them is... "Good luck with that" LOL 



There're different type of people in the world. Basically Asian managers will consider to manage their first team again and keep maintaining 10000 reputation if their reputation need to get deducted after choosing inactivity although they don't have enough free time. And European are more consider on managing 1 team if they don't have many free time focusing on this game and they probably don't mind their reputation to get deducted after retired their team.


Ok, due to iGP Manager has more European managers instead of Asian managers so I will change my side and agree on Joao's suggestion.

Conclusion:
"Balancing" every players opinion is the most important thing for super moderator, moderator & developer teams .

I think we need to have a brand-new reputation calculation system (which able to identifies the very best managers in the game) instead of changing our current reputation system (it's not possible to change current reputation calculation system so I was totally wrong when I suggested to change our current reputation calculation system). So hope that devs can create a reputation system that accurately identifies the very best managers in future. That's all, thanks.

Regards,
Lai.
p/s: From Kevin's word, we can understand that the suggestion of renew reputation calculation system (not changing our current system) has been approved.
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medal 5001 Super Mod
3 years 353 days ago
Wow, that's a very broad generalisation about individuals from different continents. Please enlighten me, how do North American, African, South American and Australian managers prefer to play the game?

The reason I only have time to manage one team is so much of my time is taken up moderating this friggin' forum. (joke)
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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago

Kevin
Wow, that's a very broad generalisation about individuals from different continents. Please enlighten me, how do North American, African, South American and Australian managers prefer to play the game?

The reason I only have time to manage one team is so much of my time is taken up moderating this friggin' forum. (joke)



haha, only people from North & South Americas, African & Oceania are able to reply your question that what they actually want.
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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago

Lai

Kevin
Wow, that's a very broad generalisation about individuals from different continents. Please enlighten me, how do North American, African, South American and Australian managers prefer to play the game?

The reason I only have time to manage one team is so much of my time is taken up moderating this friggin' forum. (joke)



haha, only people from North & South Americas, African & Oceania are able to reply your question that what they actually want.



And..you think one thing -> all Asians think the same thing..wow, right?
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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago

Joao

Lai

Kevin
Wow, that's a very broad generalisation about individuals from different continents. Please enlighten me, how do North American, African, South American and Australian managers prefer to play the game?

The reason I only have time to manage one team is so much of my time is taken up moderating this friggin' forum. (joke)



haha, only people from North & South Americas, African & Oceania are able to reply your question that what they actually want.



And..you think one thing -> all Asians think the same thing..wow, right?



basically but not all, ok??
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medal 5000
3 years 353 days ago
If retired teams have 10000 forever, where is the challenge to reach 10000 if you will be always one of many and not one of few, even when you are, for example, one of the best 10 managers in the game? Why should I "fight" to be the 357th with 10000 rep? 

Ah, sorry, there are Asians that want to retire teams without losing reputation, so, no challenge for everybody!!
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