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medal 5239
3 years 270 days ago
I think another league is needed between pro and elite. I’m in a competitive league where when people get promoted to elite it’ll probably take 3/4 seasons to even get a point and I think after 5 or 6 races of finishing around 18th at best they quite often become demotivated and lose interest in the game. If there was another league between for maybe level 12-16/17 players then this could motivate them more and be more prepared for elite. Currently 32 car leagues mean your very unlikely to get points, if they had 4 leagues of 24 say that would be 96 cars in total (the same as 3 lots of 32) and would give more chance of points and increased motivation and getting them playing more. When I got promoted I stuck with it and took 4 seasons to get points and around 10 seasons to challenge the top 3. I have seen more level 17/18s challenging for the title as they get better research boost than a level 20, but a lot of these level 14/15s coming through haven’t quite got the understanding and also having to change staff more when they level up makes it more difficult for them to be competitive 
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medal 5001 Super Mod
3 years 270 days ago
On the one hand we have this thread suggesting another tier is needed to prevent the L13 teams from having to go up against the experienced L20 Managers because they can't compete.

On the same day another thread This needs to be fixed suggests that there is something wrong with the game because experienced L20 Managers are finding it difficult to compete with recently promoted L13 teams.

I wonder if it's just that some managers are better at this game than others. Maybe team level, although important, is secondary to managerial ability.

So glad I'm not a developer.
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medal 5000
3 years 270 days ago
I have to agree with Kevin in this one. Although it's really tought to get close to the top 10 with a lvl 13-15 team on a competitive Elite (I do 2 cars league, so it's less cars fighting for finishing position on the bottom), chances will appear over the course of a season and you may have to prepare for when they come.
On the other hand, the thread Kevin was referring showed a good qualifying from a lvl 13 team, but it was the 1st of the season (best shoot for them) to get an advantage with a possible track position favorable to do well and it can't hurt if it is Austria or Italy, for example. I will abstain from this one.
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medal 4998 Moderator
3 years 270 days ago
Apart from the actual performance difference between promotees from Pro and established Elite teams I see a further problem with it. Outside of well established leagues Pro is often already either dead or promotion desperately kept open by inactive and bot accounts. This new tier would split this already least populated tier of the game into two. There might be even the problem why unprepared managers promote. Two teams enter Pro and the best two go each season. That way no real competition can build up until the league becomes that strong that even good and active teams start to relegate from Elite. Once that happens actual competition can form, but unfortunately that's usually also the point ballast comes into play.

So I don't think a new limited tier for all leagues would be a good idea. However for well established and competitive leagues with completely filled Pro and Elite it might solve some problems, there another tier would help both the Pro ballast problem and add some more time for new teams to prepare for the highest tier. So perhaps let those leagues unlock a premier tier which for joining (if it can be joined directly) and team status classes as an Elite tier.
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medal 5000
3 years 269 days ago
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Apart from the actual performance difference between promotees from Pro and established Elite teams I see a further problem with it. Outside of well established leagues Pro is often already either dead or promotion desperately kept open by inactive and bot accounts. This new tier would split this already least populated tier of the game into two. There might be even the problem why unprepared managers promote. Two teams enter Pro and the best two go each season. That way no real competition can build up until the league becomes that strong that even good and active teams start to relegate from Elite. Once that happens actual competition can form, but unfortunately that's usually also the point ballast comes into play.

So I don't think a new limited tier for all leagues would be a good idea. However for well established and competitive leagues with completely filled Pro and Elite it might solve some problems, there another tier would help both the Pro ballast problem and add some more time for new teams to prepare for the highest tier. So perhaps let those leagues unlock a premier tier which for joining (if it can be joined directly) and team status classes as an Elite tier.


Nail on the head! Some leagues without the great depth could probably do well with going 2 up 2 down between Pro and Elite, where as some of the more established leagues have 6-7 teams in Pro who could easily be Elite teams. I don’t think an extra tier is the best way but it would be a great stepping stone for some teams in these leagues

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medal 5000
3 years 269 days ago
I think he meant reducing the leagues from 16/32 to 12/24 managers, so it becomes an even harder achievement to keep up on Elite and the remaining 4 would go back to the Intermediate tier between Pro and Elite. Would at least reduce the number of accounts per tier to keep promotion open, but would mean having an Elite A, Elite B, Pro and Rookie, taking longer to reach the Top Flight.
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medal 5000
3 years 269 days ago
If the host had the power to switch to 24-24-24-24 then that sounds like a great option! Obviously it would need a lot of planning and fault finding from the devs to make sure it would actually have a positive effect
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medal 5002
3 years 269 days ago (Last edited by Sam Martin 3 years 269 days ago)
I’m in your league James, and have just been promoted to Elite after one season in each of the previous tiers, I'm level 12 and I do agree it feels like I’ve promoted too soon. The only thing giving me hope of scraping a half way decent first season in Elite is is the two guys who were noobs last season and mid teen level managers and they both did well (they then left and joined a different league) 

Also not likely to be staying around if it is going to take anything like 3 to 4 seasons to see any top 10 finishes, or decent point scores! So I tend to agree the idea seems good. I’ll also agree with the statement of being glad the I’m not a developer, what a nightmare! 

But, in saying that I don't want another tier, as it will mess up my results thingy......

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medal 5239
3 years 269 days ago

Sam
I"m in your league James, and have just been promoted to Elite after one season in each of the previous tiers, I'm level 12 and I do agree it feels like I"ve promoted too soon. The only thing giving me hope of scraping a half way decent first season in Elite is is the two guys who were noobs last season and mid teen level managers and they both did well (they then left and joined a different league) 

Also not likely to be staying around if it is going to take anything like 3 to 4 seasons to see any top 10 finishes, or decent point scores! So I tend to agree the idea seems good. I"ll also agree with the statement of being glad the I"m not a developer, what a nightmare! 

But, in saying that I don't want another tier, as it will mess up my results thingy......



Hey man 😉 thats exactly my point, it’s too easy to win rookie and pro 2 seasons in a row and then come up to elite and your doomed. I’m pretty sure the people who have been promoted the last few seasons aren’t currently active as lost motivation from finishing like 20th at best. It will take you around 5 seasons to get a point, we probably have 12 level 20s in the league. If there was an in between league, youd maybe need to spend 2/3 seasons there (where you’d be getting points easier, to keep you motivated) and then by then maybe up to level 15/16 and able to compete more in elite. Just trying to suggest ways to stop people getting to elite then just quit pretty much  

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