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medal 5002
3 years 186 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 3 years 186 days ago)
Cosa hai provato a fare?
I tryed same strategy but different advanced strategy,for  understanding better how it works in different condition:
Situation:
Race of 43laps
strategy with intermedium tyre
Qualify and Race dry.
(Condition when Someone  made strategy during rain, bit it finished before qualify)

Cosa è successo invece?
Case 1)  strategy 11I 11I 11I 11I 11I ( 55laps even if race is 43laps)
Advanced strategy: Put S after 10,11,12 lap
Results: all the race with I
Case 2) strategy 11I 11I 11I 11I
Advanced strategy : put S after 10, 11, 12 laps
Results: race with Intermedium like strategy till lap 34. At lap 34, car made a further  pit stop for putting  Medium
Case 3) strategy 11I, 11S 11S,11S
Advanced strategy : put S after 11laps
Results: after 1 lap, pit stop for putting S, at lap 34 pit stop and put  M tyre




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Android

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Può essere riprodotto il bug?
Yes, i tryed in different circuit: pit stop at lap 34 changes: the pit stop is always one lap after the last stint with I or W.

Commenti addizionali:
It  happened also with strategy like this 11W 11I 11S. It made 1 lap with W,1 lap with 1 and after S...
It is clear that further stint are always with M, but  other situation are unreasonable
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medal 5002
3 years 180 days ago
is it possible have an answer?
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medal 6019
3 years 158 days ago
in which langauge I have to write about this bug for receiving an answer?
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medal 5003 Super Mod
3 years 158 days ago
Sorry, I missed this when you first posted. Are you saying that for a dry race you intentionally set the main strategy to run the entire race on Inters (strategies 1 & 2) or qualifying/stint 1 on Inters (strategy 3)?

If so, I don't imagine the interaction between main and advanced strategy was ever designed to cope for such an unusual and counter-intuitive set of scenarios.

Apologies if I've mis-understood your post.

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medal 6636 Super Mod
3 years 158 days ago
I'd like to see race results (can you paste their links here?) and if possible, the information about weather conditions and water level.
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medal 5000
3 years 158 days ago (Last edited by Juanito Jones 3 years 152 days ago)
I think he is asking what would happen if he had set a strategy to race only on Inters or Wets while raining on practice and set an advanced strategy to go to Softs (S) if it stopped raining mid-race. But he said if it actually stopping before would it mean he would go to S straight away and stay on them until the end of the race.

And the answer is no, you won't start on S and would run with Inters until either they had a puncture, you ran out of fuel before the end and it puts you on Mediums (M) or the tyre of the 5th stint in case you pit more that, or you entering the race to change it.

The advanced options has only 1 water level reaction setting, so you need to choose your strategy carefully:

If you are expecting it to be a dry race with a possibility of rain or an intermediate rain and stay below 3mm, then you need to put S in the main strategy, set Inters to be fitted in case the water level is above 0mm and then select the amount of laps you expect it to be appropriate to go back to S depending on the weather, current water level and lap time length. So you would run S-I-S-S or I-S-S

If you are expecting a medium or heavy rain, then you need to set S or M, depending on the PL, in the main strategy, set Wets when above 3mm of water and set Inters to be fitted in when it stops for a few laps. So you would run W-I-S or W-I-M in case it stops raining, even if the track isn't completely dry yet.

Advanced options are quite confusing, too simple to handle changeable conditions and it need more options to be at least decent enough to be trustful. 
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medal 5003 Super Mod
3 years 158 days ago
Thanks Juanito and I agree the AS is sometimes confusing and IMO doesn't give enough flexibility for off-line managers to cater for all weather scenarios.
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 3 years 157 days ago)
Kevin Bissel,
thank you for your answer , 
yes,  the situation is what Juanito re-wrote: practice with rain, but qualify and race dry

There is an addition:  I normally chose "put Intermedium when water is over 1,0mm", it works if rain increases before starting race, but if rain increases during race, sometimes it wait the pit stop for putting Intermedium and sometimes not; whlle if I chose "put intermedium when water is over 0mm" it works always....

Gustavo Heiden:

you can find below link of the races:

https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=28903914&tab=race
teams to check: 
BOT2 BOT9 BOT14 BOT15 and BOT18

https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=28903920&tab=race
teams to check:
BOT2 BOT3 BOT6 BOT7 BOT9 BOT 11 BOT14 BOT18 and BOT15

The purpose of the tests was checking how works advanced strategy in "crazy weather race", but it didn't happened in those races, but only in this race:

https://igpmanager.com/app/d=result&id=28903926&tab=race
weather conditions was raining with 1.8mm of water
during lap 3/4 rains stopped and water reach 0mm at lap 33
Unfortunately I missed lap when water was 1mm

If you need I can send you detailed advanced strategy of all of these races : i had them in excel file
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medal 6636 Super Mod
3 years 157 days ago
I didn't have time to check race results, but I can answer something about this:
"put Intermedium when water is over 1,0mm" - Water level increases in a different rate from track to track, so that's why it not works as you want for every track, whereas "put intermedium when water is over 0mm" will pit your drivers when first drops of rain fall =)


What really intrigued me was that case your drivers came from pit with medium tyres. What was your "if starts raining" tyre for Case 2 ?
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medal 6019
3 years 157 days ago
Advanced strategy was " Put S". 

However the reason of putting M, is very clear: If you choose a strategy with 3 pit stops, but because of the weather  change you have to do more pit stops, since the fourth  if it is not raining,  they tyre Chosen  is always M.

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medal 6636 Super Mod
3 years 156 days ago
oh of course! I thought you had set all slots.
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medal 6019
3 years 156 days ago
Gustavo Heiden,   "case 1" written  in my initial post is enough to avoid putting M, but the problem is case 2 and case 3 that has no sense....which is the reason of waiting  lap 34?
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medal 5073
3 years 156 days ago
We in our league struggle with that for a while, too.
Some managers are able to Switch tires some not.
I for example qualied once on Medium, while i set nowhere Mediums, repored it here and it has been ignored.

I first step would be to explain how the advanced Option works in detail, when you can change, when not, why some qualify in other tires....
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medal 6636 Super Mod
3 years 156 days ago
Correct me if I'm talking nonsense, but in all cases Simone is doing offline only strategy, so he never tried to change tyres during the races.

Let me try to understand cases 2 and 3 better

Case 2) strategy 11I 11I 11I 11I M ?
Advanced strategy : put S after 10, 11, 12 laps
Results: race with Intermedium like strategy till lap 34. At lap 34, car made a further  pit stop for putting  Medium

Did you pit in first lap? What was your tyre for "if starts raining"? See my possible explanation below.


Case 3) strategy 11I, 11S, 11S, 11S, M ?
Advanced strategy : put S after 11laps
If starts raining I (0mm) ?

Possible explanation:
As it was 0mm it followed your main strategy which was Intermediate, it then realised a dry compound could be fit, and it pits in lap 1. After that in lap 34 it needs to pit again and puts medium for last stint.
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medal 6019
3 years 156 days ago
"As it was 0mm it followed your main strategy which was Intermediate, it then realised a dry compound could be fit, and it pits in lap 1. After that in lap 34 it needs to pit again and puts medium for last stint."

I made the same reasonament and I thought that it was correct, so I tried a different strategy ( and it is written in addizionale comment) : 11w 11I 11S. 
If your thinking was right, driver should  make 11w 1i 11 S 11M.... but it made 1W 1I 11s 11M 11M... so it made 2 pit stops in 2 laps! 
This means that game made a pit stop after 1 lap If there is a different (not only dry) compound .

Probably this is not a bug, it's something of the game that is totally wrong
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medal 6636 Super Mod
3 years 155 days ago
Ok, main strategy 11W 11I 11S 11M M

How did you set up Advanced Strategy ?
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medal 6019
3 years 155 days ago
If there is a dry race, advanced strategy doesn't work...it made always 1W 1I 11S 11M 11M....
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medal 6636 Super Mod
3 years 152 days ago
Excuse me if you think this is a dumb question, but What is the objective of setting wet tyres in the main strategy?

When I have to setup offline teams I always leave wet tyre for the Advanced Strategy. It's not able to cover all possibilities, but at least it doesn't do any unexpected behaviours.
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medal 5000
3 years 152 days ago

Gustavo
Excuse me if you think this is a dumb question, but What is the objective of setting wet tyres in the main strategy?

When I have to setup offline teams I always leave wet tyre for the Advanced Strategy. It's not able to cover all possibilities, but at least it doesn't do any unexpected behaviours.


"(...) it doesn't do any unexpected behaviors"

Sorry for that,  but...
https://igpmanager.com/forum-thread/39980

Just kidding 😂

Anyway, Simone, could you read my other message here where I explained what you need to do so the driver(s) swaps to appropriated tyres for when it just started raining or if it's a thunderstorm.
If you continue to set Inters and Wets on the main strategy they will start on those, even if the conditions aren't optimum for them, unfortunately.
Hope you understand this complex tool which can save your race or throw it into the bin depending on the weather unpredictability and your strategy. If you need more information on it, I can post a race I had recently in Canada which I won doing 7 pit-stops (Inner Button intensifies) 😅
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medal 6636 Super Mod
3 years 152 days ago (Last edited by Gustavo Heiden 3 years 152 days ago)
Juanito
If you continue to set Inters and Wets on the main strategy they will start on those, even if the conditions aren't optimum for them, unfortunately.

That's my point.


Although I think there might be one useful strategy setting wet tyre in main strategy for a dry race.
I+I+I+I+I : W if water>3.0mm, S if stops raining for 11 laps
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