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medal 6580
3 years 161 days ago
Tyres need to drop more in lap times, as it drops blow 50%/45% . Now cars drive many Laps on ss, but laptimes do not drop fast enough. 
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medal 5000
3 years 161 days ago

Stefan
Tyres need to drop more in lap times, as it drops blow 50%/45% . Now cars drive many Laps on ss, but laptimes do not drop fast enough. 



There is a noticeable drop in tyre performance after about 40 percent, it's quite clear in races where some people qualify on SS tyres. They pull away for the first few laps, then the soft tyre becomes quicker towards the end of the stint, even though the super soft runners have less fuel. 
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medal 6580
3 years 160 days ago
Our last race at hungary, ss drivers can drive almost an s stint without losing to much time, thats why i said it. Ss should be there max.9 10 Laps, but they drive without problem 14/15 Laps. In cold wheather and neutral push level.
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medal 5000
3 years 160 days ago
Have to keep in mind that Hungary's Info for tyre wear is only 2% higher than Monaco.

Hungary: SS 12% & S 6%
Monaco: SS 8% & S 4%

But I have to agree the tyres need re-balanced and so does the tyre economy. 

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medal 5690
3 years 160 days ago

James
Have to keep in mind that Hungary's Info for tyre wear is only 2% higher than Monaco.

Hungary: SS 12% & S 6%
Monaco: SS 8% & S 4%

But I have to agree the tyres need re-balanced and so does the tyre economy. 




In my opinion, Monaco is a special circumstance due to the effective smoothness of the track.  Tyre wear is virtually non existant there and if you want to get heat into the things, then, best of luck on that one. I wlould choose another track for comparison's sake...
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago
I want to see an adjustment where all types of tires are actually useable at least a few times in each season. Maybe making the tires wear slightly more could work, and making temperature an even bigger factor then it already is. Maybe an option to turn off refueling could work as well.
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago

Richard
I want to see an adjustment where all types of tires are actually useable at least a few times in each season. Maybe making the tires wear slightly more could work, and making temperature an even bigger factor then it already is. Maybe an option to turn off refueling could work as well.



I'm just about to do my 200th race on iGP manager, and I've never used Hard tyres 😂😂
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medal 5003
3 years 157 days ago

Jack

Richard
I want to see an adjustment where all types of tires are actually useable at least a few times in each season. Maybe making the tires wear slightly more could work, and making temperature an even bigger factor then it already is. Maybe an option to turn off refueling could work as well.



I'm just about to do my 200th race on iGP manager, and I've never used Hard tyres 😂😂


I used them once. Last race of the season, nothing to lose, did a 0 stop strategy 😄
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago

Jack

Richard
I want to see an adjustment where all types of tires are actually useable at least a few times in each season. Maybe making the tires wear slightly more could work, and making temperature an even bigger factor then it already is. Maybe an option to turn off refueling could work as well.



I'm just about to do my 200th race on iGP manager, and I've never used Hard tyres 😂😂


I used them in my first ever race and have never used them again 🤣🤣

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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago

Jack

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I want to see an adjustment where all types of tires are actually useable at least a few times in each season. Maybe making the tires wear slightly more could work, and making temperature an even bigger factor then it already is. Maybe an option to turn off refueling could work as well.



I'm just about to do my 200th race on iGP manager, and I've never used Hard tyres 😂😂


I've raced before the big tire update, and before that hards and mediums were the way to go iirc

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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago

Richard

Jack

Some
I want to see an adjustment where all types of tires are actually useable at least a few times in each season. Maybe making the tires wear slightly more could work, and making temperature an even bigger factor then it already is. Maybe an option to turn off refueling could work as well.



I'm just about to do my 200th race on iGP manager, and I've never used Hard tyres 😂😂


I've raced before the big tire update, and before that hards and mediums were the way to go iirc




Yeah I've noticed from looking through the forums that it seems that to counter the hard tyre being too strong, they made it completely useless. Unless they bring out a circuit that runs over lava 😂😂

I'm not criticising devs or anyone else, I love the game, but it would be nice if the soft tyre wasn't so dominant in most conditions 
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago

Jack

Richard

Jack

Some
I want to see an adjustment where all types of tires are actually useable at least a few times in each season. Maybe making the tires wear slightly more could work, and making temperature an even bigger factor then it already is. Maybe an option to turn off refueling could work as well.



I'm just about to do my 200th race on iGP manager, and I've never used Hard tyres 😂😂


I've raced before the big tire update, and before that hards and mediums were the way to go iirc




Yeah I've noticed from looking through the forums that it seems that to counter the hard tyre being too strong, they made it completely useless. Unless they bring out a circuit that runs over lava 😂😂

I'm not criticising devs or anyone else, I love the game, but it would be nice if the soft tyre wasn't so dominant in most conditions 



funny enough I remember someone mentioning that people would just then start complaining about ss and softs being too op if they made a tire update to make hards and mediums worse, but at least mediums can work at some tracks, because i think i remember mediums being completely useless at the start of the new tire update, maybe worse then hards
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago (Last edited by Juanito Jones 3 years 156 days ago)
The problem with H at the moment is that they aren't fast enough to keep up with the other tyres, unlike the M that can just stay close to S in some tracks.

Then they need an average of 50-60L to make it viable against the M as they have quite similar tyre wear. But then doing a 2 stop S-S will always be preferable as it's faster and lighter, even if it's "too hot" for S.

To add more into that, keeping the H up to temperature requires you to use higher PLs for longer, so you get a tired driver at the end of the race and a slightly worse engine, which isn't desirable at all, especially in Elite where it's all about the last lap on most races.

Now some suggestions:
If we could have decimal places, up to 2 as fuel, added into tyre data and Tyre Economy being more effective and the Design Points improvements easier to notice, it could already make the current tyre balance better as we have S with 6% of tyre degradation on Practice but it turns out to be almost 7% on the middle of the race and if we knew it before hand we could and would reconsider the strategy using a harder compound.

Personally, I wouldn't mind having a higher tyre wear (up to 30% on SS, for example) if the tyre performance dropped a bit faster, with the H keeping their current pace, and the tyres hitting the cliff at 25% to not make the S and SS useless again.

Another detail which could make H more usable is to make the gap between PLs bigger and make doing PL1 on tracks like Bahrain for being too hot for S backfire for the teams using them and favouring the harder compounds a bit. Composure and focus could be the driver attributes which controls this, for example:
PL - Composure and Experience (20) / Focus (20)
1 - 86% / 98%
2 - 89% / 95%
3 - 92% / 92%
4 - 95% / 89%
5 - 98% / 86%

So, on a lower PL the driver would make consistent lap times but they wouldn't be fast and the opposite would happen if they were on a higher PL. It can't be 100% for none as it would make a mistake-less race on tracks like Bahrain for those running on S and PL1 and wouldn't be too strong for those using a higher PL as they have a slower tyre on most cases.
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago
Good suggestions. I can imagine it's pretty difficult for the devs to get the balance of things right, but it would be good to see changes like those
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago
Maybe if the tyres just blew up after a certain period depending on temp and pl. I miss the time when H were the go to tyre however from memory it would be a SS or S then long stints on H, and in low fuel Hards were faster than SS. I definitely see a need to make a ‘cliff’ whereby the tyre totally loses speed. Depending on your teams stats, it could benefit the undercut and lighter stints rather than a domination of longer stints overcutting teams. Oh and BTW - Windmills ✅
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago

Matt
Maybe if the tyres just blew up after a certain period depending on temp and pl. I miss the time when H were the go to tyre however from memory it would be a SS or S then long stints on H, and in low fuel Hards were faster than SS. I definitely see a need to make a ‘cliff’ whereby the tyre totally loses speed. Depending on your teams stats, it could benefit the undercut and lighter stints rather than a domination of longer stints overcutting teams. Oh and BTW - Windmills ✅

I’m pretty sure there is some kind of cliff after 50% as i tried out a ss-ss-ss strategy and after 5 laps i started to lose 6 tenths every lap on the lap before.


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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago
There is clearly some level of time loss but I think it needs to be slightly greater, A worn out SS would still likely be as quick as a S with a decent fuel load, however that would wipe out people pushing the tyres to their limit and reduce chances of a SS three stop (full race distance) strategy, it’s a fine balance I’m just talking from my opinion as I prefer to drive lighter faster stints rather than filling heavy and getting an overcut. 
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medal 5000
3 years 157 days ago

Timothy

James
Have to keep in mind that Hungary's Info for tyre wear is only 2% higher than Monaco.

Hungary: SS 12% & S 6%
Monaco: SS 8% & S 4%

But I have to agree the tyres need re-balanced and so does the tyre economy. 




In my opinion, Monaco is a special circumstance due to the effective smoothness of the track.  Tyre wear is virtually non existant there and if you want to get heat into the things, then, best of luck on that one. I would choose another track for comparison's sake...


They're a great comparison though.

Hungary:




Monaco:



If track Temp. was added and maybe one of the three sectors was cooler or even hotter than the other two. It could help make tyre wear better or worse. 
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medal 5000
3 years 150 days ago
hello i read this :Intermediate wet tyres - Rain tyre for a damp track
Full wet tyres - Rain tyre for a very wet track

how many rain (in mm to take Wet tyres,)  4 or five or more Intermidiates are effectiv for how much mm
thanks for your help
slts
fred
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medal 5000
3 years 150 days ago
really 3-3.3 for wets to be better then intermidates
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