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Not a fan of the new BMI updat

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Robert Walker
2 years 135 days ago

Devs disabled weight as a factor in performance some time ago, yet drivers still lost weight in training physical attributes despite stamina clearly being the only desirable trait to improve when doing so. Consequently, many drivers with 20 stamina are also incredibly light. (Once again, I must stress, this has ZERO impact on performance). This most recent update wrongfully punishes people [with drivers with a suboptimal BMI] with a negative impact on race performance. This is frustrating given this scenario was wrought by an aspect of the game people neglected to patch out for months on end.

Harry Kanterman
2 years 135 days ago

Well, to be fair, even though some of the pre update drivers have a low BMI, most managers are now able to buy new drivers with better stats. So even if they had a better BMI, I don't think many managers would be keeping them.

Michael Craig
2 years 134 days ago

You should be able to train weight upwards on your old drivers to bring bmi to green Robert.

But it might be the case that it only will move once your stamina is at 30. I’m physically training all my drivers at the moment so will confirm as soon as I observe it move upwards on whichever one gets there first.

Kevin Bissell Super Mod
2 years 134 days ago

I can confirm, as soon as the stamina reaches 30, if you continue to train Physical the driver starts to gain wieght.

Downgrade Design
2 years 133 days ago

So.... Is there an Ideal BMI now???

BMI in colour green means "Ideal BMI"?

Antonio Ascari
2 years 133 days ago

Downgrade

So.... Is there an Ideal BMI now???

BMI in colour green means "Ideal BMI"?

Green = good
Yellow = meh
Red = bad

Herbie Rides Again
2 years 132 days ago

Cee

Why not add a choice button for weight? off or '+' to gain or '-' to loose. off so a player can train only stamina.
the goal is for BMI to be in the green?
i had a driver loose weight. with this new system, i don't want the drivers to loose weight. hurts BMI

Your BMI will not change until Stamina has been maxed out at 30. The 2 are interlinked and while it’s not yet certain which is more important the fact that Stamina affects Health during a race and health impacts speed I believe it is right to max Stamina before altering the BMI

Red Craigie Super Mod
2 years 131 days ago

Cee

Why not add a choice button for weight? off or '+' to gain or '-' to loose. off so a player can train only stamina.
the goal is for BMI to be in the green?
i had a driver loose weight. with this new system, i don't want the drivers to loose weight. hurts BMI

Weight should not reduce unless it is good for the BMI. If you see this happen again and have some proof than can be used could you report it please, it may be a bug. A screenshot before and after the training would be very useful.

Jody Lees
2 years 131 days ago

How is it, you can train stamina to level 30 when you're only level 21..?

Can you train other areas to level 30 Whilst only being a level 21 manager..?

Michael Craig
2 years 131 days ago

Yes. The training will slow down when the driver level matches your manager level. So it’s possible to get some stats to 30 without having the drivers level become over 21.

Callum Miller
2 years 131 days ago

Jody

How is it, you can train stamina to level 30 when you're only level 21..?

Can you train other areas to level 30 Whilst only being a level 21 manager..?

yes it is possible. before the update you could be level 16 and have a t20 driver with max stamina and driving ability with low mental stats

Michael Craig
2 years 130 days ago

Ahh your drivers are level 20 while you are level 17. Ok that’s pretty rough I see where you are coming from. My drivers don’t have maximum experience and on this account I’m level 21 so I’ve had some headroom to get stamina to 30.

I’m not convinced that the weight only training upwards after stamina reaching 30 is correct, when training downwards it is more random with movements between stamina and weight alternating. I feel like upwards should be the same.

Herbie Rides Again
2 years 130 days ago

Cee

Dick

Cee

Why not add a choice button for weight? off or '+' to gain or '-' to loose. off so a player can train only stamina.
the goal is for BMI to be in the green?
i had a driver loose weight. with this new system, i don't want the drivers to loose weight. hurts BMI

Your BMI will not change until Stamina has been maxed out at 30. The 2 are interlinked and while it’s not yet certain which is more important the fact that Stamina affects Health during a race and health impacts speed I believe it is right to max Stamina before altering the BMI

So, what you're saying is, I have to replace my drivers to be competitive again? There's no other way to improve BMI from red to green? I don't have enough funds to do that. You have basically 'screwed' those of us who are just getting good quality teams. Those of us in the middle....

Those who have the funds can upgrade easily. Those not there yet are going to fall behind again. There needs to be a way to improve BMI for everyone, not just those with high levels...
My primary team went from the 2nd best in my league, good enough to when a championship. Now, it might be 4th? The only differences are BMI...

Not at all you just need to max your stamina at 30 before you can adjust BMI. Any talent driver can now max out all stats (apart from talent) at 30

@Michael it was confirmed by more than one mod in other threads

Michael Craig
2 years 130 days ago (Last edited by Michael Craig 2 years 130 days ago)

What I’m saying DD is that while it’s been confirmed that that’s how it works I don’t quite see why it should work that way. It does cause pain for people in Cee’s position that’s for sure.

I think how it works when training weight downwards
Is still as it used to be. Which I believe would still be stamina and weight alternating (or random)

Although I’ve also heard that a lot of drivers are coming out of HQ with green BMI so maybe this hasn’t been observed yet?

Herbie Rides Again
2 years 130 days ago

Michael

What I’m saying DD is that while it’s been confirmed that that’s how it works I don’t quite see why it should work that way. It does cause pain for people in Cee’s position that’s for sure.

I think how it works when training weight downwards
Is still as it used to be. Which I believe would still be stamina and weight alternating (or random)

Although I’ve also heard that a lot of drivers are coming out of HQ with green BMI so maybe this hasn’t been observed yet?

Ok what I thought was a simple question seems to be more complex. I’m of the opinion that having to max out stamina before changing BMI is to the managers advantage and certainly from the races I’ve seen so far with managers have similar stats and one has stamina at 30 and other green BMI the former seems to outperform over course of race .but until we see a few seasons of data there is nothing to prove or disprove it.

Herbie Rides Again
2 years 130 days ago

Cee

Dick

Michael

What I’m saying DD is that while it’s been confirmed that that’s how it works I don’t quite see why it should work that way. It does cause pain for people in Cee’s position that’s for sure.

I think how it works when training weight downwards
Is still as it used to be. Which I believe would still be stamina and weight alternating (or random)

Although I’ve also heard that a lot of drivers are coming out of HQ with green BMI so maybe this hasn’t been observed yet?

Ok what I thought was a simple question seems to be more complex. I’m of the opinion that having to max out stamina before changing BMI is to the managers advantage and certainly from the races I’ve seen so far with managers have similar stats and one has stamina at 30 and other green BMI the former seems to outperform over course of race .but until we see a few seasons of data there is nothing to prove or disprove it.

It is simple, there needs to be a balance for BMI. There's not. I setup my league for 16 race seasons. it will take almost two seasons to fix my BMI issue while neglecting other training...
You can look at the first 3 races in my league and see the difference...
What if when you train just physical, it improves BMI by improving stamina and adjusting weight (+or-) based on level? I could achieve green BMI in level 17, but if it's not high enough when I reach 18 then BMI gets reduced to yellow or red. At lower levels it would be easier to achieve green, but have to improve with each level promotion...
I wouldn't change how stamina works...
I have 2 teams in the league

Cee, what do you mean by BMI gets reduced when your level goes up? I don’t see how changing level impacts your BMI, but perhaps I’ve missed something in the update about this?

Michael Craig
2 years 129 days ago

As far as I am aware account level has nothing to do with BMI.

BMI is a function of the drivers height, weight and (maybe) age and maybe (gender). Depending on which form of BMI calculation was used.

Community Manager
2 years 129 days ago

Hello managers,

This should be fixed now. From now on training “Physical” will randomly train weight or stamina.

Red Craigie Super Mod
2 years 127 days ago

Cee

José

Hello managers,

This should be fixed now. From now on training “Physical” will randomly train weight or stamina.

Ok, what criteria is used in igp's algorithm to determine bmi? if it's been posted then post a link here... I have a driver who has gone up two levels in stamina and no change in the number or color, and can't loose anymore weight. If gaining weight helps improve bmi, then the ability to gain weight should be added. An off, plus or minus button could be added...

Hi Cee. The ability to gain weight was added as part of the update. By training physical your driver will now either gain stamina, or lose/gain weight automatically to move towards a green BMI range.

The fix Jose refers to was referring to the fact that immediately after the update physical would first train stamina to 30 before affecting weight.

Now one or the other can be impacted at random as a result of the training.

Giorgio Rapetti
2 years 114 days ago

This implementation is poor, just finished getting a driver prior to update t20 on all stats, just turned level 19. If weight had no bearing on performance why did it change?

Those who trained stamina to level 20 are penalized, now I have to wait for level 30 stamina before I can improve the BMI or buy a new driver with low exp.

Are developers purposely creating problems for players to fix with tokens?

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