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medal 5489
264 days ago
Let's talk about "farming"......

As far as I'm aware, I can see nowhere in the rules, or the terms and conditions, where it says farming is not allowed. There are several vague comments about iGP being allowed to do anything they want, but nothing specific to farming. I'd suggest you update your rules to put this specifically in.

My next point, what is farming? In Jose's post it talks about farming leagues, which is fair enough. However Jose has now stated that not setting up in an active league would class as farming. At what point does that class as farming, if I don't set up for 3 races? 5 races? At no point does anywhere in the game say you must set up for every race. I'm guessing that is because it wouldn't be a very good tag line to get people to download the app...."If you don't set up every race, we will take all your tokens away, and possibly suspend your account"

I think you need to make people aware that any drivers created by what you class as "farming accounts" will be deleted if found, even if they have been bought by other people, who may not have been aware it had come from a "farming account".

After your announcement, I just presumed you meant from this point forward, but you are now looking at accounts historically. I just wondered how you are going to look through every account to decide if it has been farming at some point? I presume you are looking at every single account as well, and not just randomly picking accounts, or accounts that have annoyed you in some way?

Lastly, as I think I've gone on enough, please don't claim this is done to maintain fair play, integrity and healthy competition. When you created 10 extra levels and introduced XP boosters people could buy, you made it a Pay to Win game. "Farming" can be done by absolutely everyone and so I'd argue it's a lot fairer and gives people who are unwilling to pay, a chance to try and get back competitive in leagues where people have spent money. It's up to you what you do with the game, but be honest about it, this is being looked at because it stops people buying boosters and you don't like that
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medal 4898
264 days ago (Last edited by JNS Uchiha 264 days ago)
Also i think the „farming thingy“ should be avoid by the code. 

So my suggestion is to link the receive of tokens with the preparation level for the race.

If preparation level is poor you won’t get tokens…. If it’s minimum good, you will get token.

Info: the preparation level is linked to 4 boxes 
1.) is a strategy set
2.) Is your driver health good 
3.) is you car in good conditions 
4.) is you car design good (spend DP)

If 3 of 4 is ok, the preparation level is good
Is 2 of 4 is ok, the preparation level is poor
If 4 of 4 is ok, the preparation level is perfect 

You can find the boxes at the mainpage of igp 
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medal 5036
264 days ago
Totally agree with Mark, at least be honest and say that it's all made to make people spend real money.
Keeping a team inactive for 1 year or so to collect tokens -> unfair and unsportsmanlike
Spending 1000euro to get to lv30 while the current average is 25 -> fair and correct.

Is there really someone who believes in this story?
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medal 5003
264 days ago

IGP
Spending 1000euro to get to lv30 while the current average is 25 -> fair and correct.


While everyone may not agree with the decisions being made and while I understand the anger and frustration, please refrain from spreading false information and adding to the flames.


With XP boosters, you need no more than 50 bucks to get to level 30.
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medal 5036
264 days ago
OK I thought it was clear that "1000 euro" was an hyperbolization, but it wasn't.

Let's say "spending lots of money", then. Because it's not just the level, it's also the tokens needed to upgrade the structures, find and train the right drivers, etc. 
But hey, it's ok that they want people to pay real money - it's their business at the end of the day. Just say it and do not hide behind the "unsportsmanlike" stuff.
Peace and love.
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medal 4933
264 days ago
If this is true it’s a very dangerous path to travel down.  What’s next classing accounts which set up but don’t attend races as farming?  If iGP want the game to close in the next 6 months they are on the right path, but if they want it to thrive and grow then a rethink is required.  Most of the accounts they will close probably won’t even understand what farming is 🤦‍♂️


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medal 5000
264 days ago

Mark
Let's talk about "farming"......

As far as I'm aware, I can see nowhere in the rules, or the terms and conditions, where it says farming is not allowed. There are several vague comments about iGP being allowed to do anything they want, but nothing specific to farming. I'd suggest you update your rules to put this specifically in.

My next point, what is farming? In Jose's post it talks about farming leagues, which is fair enough. However Jose has now stated that not setting up in an active league would class as farming. At what point does that class as farming, if I don't set up for 3 races? 5 races? At no point does anywhere in the game say you must set up for every race. I'm guessing that is because it wouldn't be a very good tag line to get people to download the app...."If you don't set up every race, we will take all your tokens away, and possibly suspend your account"

I think you need to make people aware that any drivers created by what you class as "farming accounts" will be deleted if found, even if they have been bought by other people, who may not have been aware it had come from a "farming account".

After your announcement, I just presumed you meant from this point forward, but you are now looking at accounts historically. I just wondered how you are going to look through every account to decide if it has been farming at some point? I presume you are looking at every single account as well, and not just randomly picking accounts, or accounts that have annoyed you in some way?

Lastly, as I think I've gone on enough, please don't claim this is done to maintain fair play, integrity and healthy competition. When you created 10 extra levels and introduced XP boosters people could buy, you made it a Pay to Win game. "Farming" can be done by absolutely everyone and so I'd argue it's a lot fairer and gives people who are unwilling to pay, a chance to try and get back competitive in leagues where people have spent money. It's up to you what you do with the game, but be honest about it, this is being looked at because it stops people buying boosters and you don't like that



I am totally agree with you: there were a lot of possibilities to avoid farming before and now... while this way is totally wrong . I was retiring my old T20 drivers in a league... and now I lost 4 historical teams...

Now I have the suspect that everything i am going to do ,it will ban another of my teams...
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medal 5201
264 days ago
We saw a criptic announcement that does not explain who is the target and the funniest part is the definition of unsportsmanship behaviour. 

One-lap-racers and wallet champions are fair players while people who don't setup due to a disease for some day are cheaters? 

One day I will forget to prepare my next race and I won't be able to login anymore, good to know...

Does it cost so much a warning before closing accounts?
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medal 5036
264 days ago
That's the real big problem - the retroactive sanctions. 
One day someone decides that a behaviour (totally allowed by the game itself) is considered unfair, and ok I can live with it even if I don't agree....What I really can't understand is how removing tokens, drivers or even cancelling an account for a "rule" that has been defined "ex-post", could be considered fair, on the other hand.
As JNS ONE suggested: if you want to avoid farming, just change the game to make this impossible, or not worth it, instead of applying the rough justice as a 2.0 sheriff.
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medal 5000
264 days ago
The root cause was when they went to the level 30 that changed it to a money game or a luck game if you were fortunate enough to pick up a level 30 driver in transfers 
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medal 5002
264 days ago
Recently, Night Star made a proposal to simply not allow those who did not set up their car to race. I believe this would solve the problem. And yes, I do not understand these repressions on the part of developers, although I did not suffer during this action in any way, it seems to me that such harsh measures were unnecessary. I know one person who drove only 1 race in the farm league, but 5 of his accounts were banned. In my opinion, this is too cruel, it would be more correct to deprive him of a couple of million game currency and 3 tokens. The Russian-speaking moderator was deprived of moderation for being outraged about this action. Well, the developers want us to donate to their game - only such an explanation can be given to what is happening.
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medal 4789 Community Manager
264 days ago
Orange
Recently, Night Star made a proposal to simply not allow those who did not set up their car to race. I believe this would solve the problem. And yes, I do not understand these repressions on the part of developers, although I did not suffer during this action in any way, it seems to me that such harsh measures were unnecessary. I know one person who drove only 1 race in the farm league, but 5 of his accounts were banned. In my opinion, this is too cruel, it would be more correct to deprive him of a couple of million game currency and 3 tokens. The Russian-speaking moderator was deprived of moderation for being outraged about this action. Well, the developers want us to donate to their game - only such an explanation can be given to what is happening.


For the record, the Russian moderator insulted me and he didn’t want to apologise so unfortunately we had to take that decision.

About the suggestion, we’ve noted that and several others posted related to this. We’ll come with something after the next web update which will include new racing revamp, pitcrew and several fixes (including the USA pit bug).
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medal 5000
263 days ago (Last edited by John Doe 263 days ago)
José
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Recently, Night Star made a proposal to simply not allow those who did not set up their car to race. I believe this would solve the problem. And yes, I do not understand these repressions on the part of developers, although I did not suffer during this action in any way, it seems to me that such harsh measures were unnecessary. I know one person who drove only 1 race in the farm league, but 5 of his accounts were banned. In my opinion, this is too cruel, it would be more correct to deprive him of a couple of million game currency and 3 tokens. The Russian-speaking moderator was deprived of moderation for being outraged about this action. Well, the developers want us to donate to their game - only such an explanation can be given to what is happening.


For the record, the Russian moderator insulted me and he didn’t want to apologise so unfortunately we had to take that decision.

About the suggestion, we’ve noted that and several others posted related to this. We’ll come with something after the next web update which will include new racing revamp, pitcrew and several fixes (including the USA pit bug).


Could you answer also to previous post and not only at the last?

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medal 5126
263 days ago

José
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Recently, Night Star made a proposal to simply not allow those who did not set up their car to race. I believe this would solve the problem. And yes, I do not understand these repressions on the part of developers, although I did not suffer during this action in any way, it seems to me that such harsh measures were unnecessary. I know one person who drove only 1 race in the farm league, but 5 of his accounts were banned. In my opinion, this is too cruel, it would be more correct to deprive him of a couple of million game currency and 3 tokens. The Russian-speaking moderator was deprived of moderation for being outraged about this action. Well, the developers want us to donate to their game - only such an explanation can be given to what is happening.


For the record, the Russian moderator insulted me and he didn’t want to apologise so unfortunately we had to take that decision.

About the suggestion, we’ve noted that and several others posted related to this. We’ll come with something after the next web update which will include new racing revamp, pitcrew and several fixes (including the USA pit bug).


it's hard not to insult yourself... you're snubbing people's commitment and passion like this, because you want to make money. discontinuing an account for 898 is pure madness! it means not taking anything into account, so the insults are all there!

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medal 5045
263 days ago
I like the game, its the best formula manager game atm👍. Thanks for that you in iGP, looking forward with the new updates and everything. F1 manager game, plaah..too time consuming 😅. So farming…or what it is called, there has been a lot of this and that in the forums, discord etc…personally it has had no effects on me. And if there are these farming token ”hoarders” its imo the right to put to stop to it. I like to ”donate” something to the game from time to time, buying for example training time etc., as an kind of investment for a small team creating so good game we all…hmm…is it love 😁 or. BUT…not going so deeply onto what is right or wrong in this matter…I would like to say that as a business and sales expert, do listen the players here..more and more. I know you are a small team (and it shows in good and bad), but we are here financing your/our game or at least most of it. Insulting…hmm suck it up, its part of the part you play (personal insults not acceptable of course)…should make a joke about Spanish temperament, but its ”racism” nowadays 😇. One more thing…there is a good example of a colossal mistake made by a big phone company, which don`t exist anymore (alphabet after m)…whom approach was in engineering, forgetting maybe the consumers and marketing…and what the consumers want. I know you are trying the best you can….try still to listen.
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medal 5000
263 days ago
I reported myself, explaining the situation, which would have been temporary, I received no response and after 4 days..  some teams banned and  less tokens to the others.... anyone who knows me knows that all my teams have always had their accounts in order so much to buy me hats and more for the pilots... I absolutely didn't want to do farming, it wasn't even my interest.  in fact now I'm running with teams level 22, 23 ... while those banned were 25 ... the most UNACCEPTABLE thing is never having had an answer or an explanation before banning
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medal 5489
263 days ago
José
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Recently, Night Star made a proposal to simply not allow those who did not set up their car to race. I believe this would solve the problem. And yes, I do not understand these repressions on the part of developers, although I did not suffer during this action in any way, it seems to me that such harsh measures were unnecessary. I know one person who drove only 1 race in the farm league, but 5 of his accounts were banned. In my opinion, this is too cruel, it would be more correct to deprive him of a couple of million game currency and 3 tokens. The Russian-speaking moderator was deprived of moderation for being outraged about this action. Well, the developers want us to donate to their game - only such an explanation can be given to what is happening.


For the record, the Russian moderator insulted me and he didn’t want to apologise so unfortunately we had to take that decision.

About the suggestion, we’ve noted that and several others posted related to this. We’ll come with something after the next web update which will include new racing revamp, pitcrew and several fixes (including the USA pit bug).



José, I'm slightly confused. When you made your announcement on discord about people having tokens reset and drivers deleted, you said to talk about it on the forum, which I thought was perfectly reasonable. However now I have posted on the forum, you seem unwilling to discuss the matter? You've chose only to reply to a comment under the original post I made.


Please could I ask that you go back to my original post and answer the questions I posed, and discuss the suggestions I made.
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medal 5005
263 days ago

José
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Recently, Night Star made a proposal to simply not allow those who did not set up their car to race. I believe this would solve the problem. And yes, I do not understand these repressions on the part of developers, although I did not suffer during this action in any way, it seems to me that such harsh measures were unnecessary. I know one person who drove only 1 race in the farm league, but 5 of his accounts were banned. In my opinion, this is too cruel, it would be more correct to deprive him of a couple of million game currency and 3 tokens. The Russian-speaking moderator was deprived of moderation for being outraged about this action. Well, the developers want us to donate to their game - only such an explanation can be given to what is happening.


For the record, the Russian moderator insulted me and he didn’t want to apologise so unfortunately we had to take that decision.

About the suggestion, we’ve noted that and several others posted related to this. We’ll come with something after the next web update which will include new racing revamp, pitcrew and several fixes (including the USA pit bug).



Excellent! For the record, it came to deleting comments)
Dear moderators, if you don't hear your opponents, if there is only one correct opinion and it's yours, this is a dead end.
P.S. I'll take screenshot. Just in case)
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medal 5001
263 days ago
Ilya

José
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Recently, Night Star made a proposal to simply not allow those who did not set up their car to race. I believe this would solve the problem. And yes, I do not understand these repressions on the part of developers, although I did not suffer during this action in any way, it seems to me that such harsh measures were unnecessary. I know one person who drove only 1 race in the farm league, but 5 of his accounts were banned. In my opinion, this is too cruel, it would be more correct to deprive him of a couple of million game currency and 3 tokens. The Russian-speaking moderator was deprived of moderation for being outraged about this action. Well, the developers want us to donate to their game - only such an explanation can be given to what is happening.


For the record, the Russian moderator insulted me and he didn’t want to apologise so unfortunately we had to take that decision.

About the suggestion, we’ve noted that and several others posted related to this. We’ll come with something after the next web update which will include new racing revamp, pitcrew and several fixes (including the USA pit bug).



Excellent! For the record, it came to deleting comments)
Dear moderators, if you don't hear your opponents, if there is only one correct opinion and it's yours, this is a dead end.
P.S. I'll take screenshot. Just in case)


Now we know who is Gianluca Fernando Fiorillo's teacher :) he is doing the same as Jose
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medal 4789 Community Manager
263 days ago
Based on the questions, I'll address the concerns and complaints about the game staff sanctioning accounts farming tokens:


  • Lack of Explicit Rule Against Farming:

  • While there might not have been an explicit rule against farming tokens previously, the Code of Conduct, specifically section H, prohibits participating in any action that "exploits" an undocumented aspect of the game to gain an unfair advantage over other users. Farming tokens can be considered as exploiting an undocumented aspect of the game, and thus falls under this rule.


  • Definition of Farming:
    The exact criteria for classifying an account as farming may not be disclosed to prevent cheaters from avoiding detection. However, multiple factors can contribute to an account being considered a farm account. The more criteria an account meets, the higher the risk of being classified as a farm account and facing suspension or sanctions.



  • Reviewing Historical Accounts:

  • We're reviewing accounts that didn't pay attention to the latest announcement, if farm accounts stopped after this they wouldn't get an investigation. But if they follow with that practice yes, we're sanctioning these too. It isn't a retrospective sanction since this has been always forbidden, I can attach you other topics of managers claiming in the past that they tokens were removed, just now we got more strict with this and we gave 7 days to managers to stop these practices. While the announcement might have given some players a grace period to stop such practices, those who continued or have previously engaged in farming are also being reviewed and may face sanctions accordingly. This is not a retrospective sanction, as farming has always been against the rules, but rather a stricter enforcement of the existing policy.


  • Deletion of Drivers from Farm Accounts:

  • It was mentioned that drivers created by farming accounts would be deleted even if they were later bought by other players. This action seems justified to maintain a fair competition among all players. It prevents the situation where someone gets an advantage by acquiring a maxed-out driver from a farm account, which is considered unfair to other competitors. This only happened once so far, both accounts admitted that this operation was coordinated even if at first one of the account said they were unaware (I have screenshots of this). The reason behind this is that you can giver a try to max out a perfect driver and only get the farm account sanctioned. I think we all can agree that's unfair for the rest of competitors if a manager gets a maxed out driver from a farm account. About your claim saying that the buyer team could be unaware that the driver is coming from a farm account, that doesn't happen, farm accounts aren't giving away drivers.

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